Under the Word of God

[Maria]

It is obviously that you believe in free-will and can you please give me the verses for that free-will theory thing.

I already provided the verses to you in this thread. Have you read them ?

 

[Reba]

Please! If Jesus Choosen Jews only then why you are a Christian?

Because "chosen people" and "saved people" are two different groups. There are some of God's "chosen people" (Jews) who are also "saved people". There are special promises and blessings that are for the Jewish people only. For example, the Promised Land is for the Jews, not Christians.

You are missing my point. God's choosen people is anyone that believes in Jesus Christ and that means you are his choosen people. Is that clear?

God accepts every one who freely accepts Jesus Christ as personal Savior.

You have the holy spirit inside you to understand Jesus Christ. If you don't have a Holy spirit then you will never understand Jesus Christ or reject him.

Prior to salvation, the Holy Spirit convicts the unsaved person from the "outside".

Upon the moment of salvation (when the sinner accepts the Savior), the Holy Spirit indwells (enters and lives in) a born-again Christian, and stays permanently in that person thru life. Then, the Holy Spirit continues to work in the Christian's soul, to give understanding of the Bible, give strength and comfort, and to convict about sin.

How can you command the holy spirit to come in your body?

No person can "command" the Holy Spirit to enter. Remember, Jesus "sent" the Holy Spirit to believers. When a person becomes saved, the Holy Spirit enters to stay.

...Jesus Christ died on the cross for those names and nothing else than book of life.

Jesus died for all people. He offers salvation to each person. Each person decides whether or not to accept that offer. If that person accepts Jesus, then that person's name stays in the Lamb's Book of Life. If the person rejects Jesus as Savior, then that person's name will not be in the Book of Life.

It means Jesus Christ will preserve the names from the book of life.

Yes, a person is born again ("saved", "converted"), that name cannot be erased from the Lamb's Book of Life. There is no power that can erase that name.

It is obviously that you believe in free-will and can you please give me the verses for that free-will theory thing.

I thought that I and previous posters had already done that? (Maybe it was another thread?) Let me review the other posts, and then I will post mine. In the meantime, remember, many times the Scriptures say, "whosoever will"--that is using free will to decide.

BTW, "free-will" has been around a lot longer than TULIP.

BTW, I am not "anti-Calvin." I don't agree with Calvinism but I believe Calvin was a godly man. However, Calvin was a man, and men are imperfect.

 

[jazzy]

Wasnt it the Jews who wanted to kill Jesus?

Not every Jews wanted to kill Jesus.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Not every Jews wanted to kill Jesus.

FYI, Jesus killed himself for his plan. How? Jesus died from overwhelming pain from our sins. The jew man just made sure that Jesus was dead when he cut his chest.

 

[Daft]

Yes, a person is born again ("saved", "converted"), that name cannot be erased from the Lamb's Book of Life. There is no power that can erase that name.

Once save always saved is a false and unbiblical teaching. Salvation is ongoing process.

 

[LoneOak]

Please! If Jesus Choosen Jews only then why you are a Christian?

You are missing my point. God's choosen people is anyone that believes in Jesus Christ and that means you are his choosen people. Is that clear? You have the holy spirit inside you to understand Jesus Christ. If you don't have a Holy spirit then you will never understand Jesus Christ or reject him.

How can you command the holy spirit to come in your body? Remember that you are a sinner and you cannot talk with God. You only can talk through Jesus Christ to God. God gave the book of life names to Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ died on the cross for those names and nothing else than book of life. It means Jesus Christ will preserve the names from the book of life. Do you understand? Or I am not making any sense?

It is obviously that you believe in free-will and can you please give me the verses for that free-will theory thing.

I am sorry to tell you that you are misconceiving to yourself! Where in the KJV (King James Verse) bible tells us that only Jesus died only “for the names on the book of life?”.., and where did you learn or read we must “command the holy spirit to come to our body?”[/B]

Isaiah 53 3-6: "He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all."

To assume human nature, the sinless Savior had to choose between the only two things available. He could of either chosen the Holy, unfallen nature of Adam, or the fallen nature of Adam and all of Adam's descendants. If He had taken any other kind, it would not have been human nature at all.
Jesus rose again to sit with the Eternal Father, as one with the Father. It’s the greatest miracle God has ever performed. God’s Son who once was dead, has risen to new life forever. This great miracle is the joyous hope for humanity. Satan thought he was the winner. While Jesus hung on the cross outside of Jerusalem, Demons were roaring in triumph... only to realize to their horror that Jesus was the winner after all. Jesus descended into the demonic world and took the keys of death and life back from Satan's own claws. Jesus gave Himself to be killed, so that He could take away the authority of Satan over mankind. This is what Jesus did for us. He paid it all not just some or special treatments to some but for ALL of us rather saved or non-saved.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Our Heavenly Father (God) send his only son Jesus Christ to the planet Earth to live as a SINLESS life, performing miracles, healing the sick, deaf, even raise the dead (John 11:44), betray by one of his disciples for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:13, Matthew 27:3), was arrested in middle of night (Matthew 26:31-75), late that evening, Jesus was on trial in front of all the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled to judge Jesus to be accuse for no reasons but it was OUR sins that started with Adam and Eve, all the way down to us, you and me today, we sinned and our actions that put Jesus on the cross, everyone (Romans 3:7-12) of us are guilty and have put Jesus on the wood tree to be hung for our transgression (breaking God’s laws), our iniquity (grossly immoral act; a sin <-note “a”), absence of moral or spiritual values, objectionable behavior, Not in conformity with fact or truth of any kind life or acting) and bares (took) our full 100% past, today, future sins, the whole wide world’s sins with Him to the wooden cross with nails pierced to his hands and feet and his side was also pierced which pour out lots of blood after his death (John 19:33-34). If you, anyone, or I asked, believe, trust, invited Jesus Christ as your personal savior, we will have life forever and ever, never be separated from God, our heavenly Father, Jesus and all other believers in Jesus forever. This is what verse John 3:16 means.

The book of life you mention is found in Revelation 20:12-15; 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This is the events just foretold, the end will speedily come; and there is no mention of any thing else, before the appearing of Christ to judge the world. This will be the great day: the Judge, the Lord Jesus Christ, will then put on majesty and terror. The persons to be judged are the dead, small and great; young and old, low and high, poor and rich. None are so mean, but they have some talents to account for; and none so great, as to avoid having to account for them. Not only those alive at the coming of Christ, but all the dead. There is a book of remembrance both for good and bad: and the book of the sinner's conscience, though formerly secret, will then be opened. Every man will recollect all his past actions, though he had long forgotten many of them. Another book shall be opened, the book of the Scriptures, the rule of life; it represents the Lord's knowledge of his people, and his declaring their repentance, faith, and good works; showing the blessings of the new covenant. By their works men shall be justified or condemned; he will try their principles by their practices. Those justified and acquitted by the gospel, shall be justified and acquitted by the Judge, and shall enter into eternal life, having nothing more to fear from death, or hell, or wicked men; for these are all destroyed together. This is the second death; it is the final separation of sinners from God. Let it be our great concern to see whether our Bibles justify or condemn us now; for Christ will judge the secrets of all men according to the gospel. Who shall dwell with devouring flames?

We cannot command the holy spirit to come to our body,
John 14:16 & 26
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

This is telling us the Holy Spirit is there to help us face anything, to help us to remember what Jesus did for us, not to command or tell the holy spirit what to do but to ask for help in guide us to right path.


LoneOak

 

[jazzy]

FYI, Jesus killed himself for his plan. How? Jesus died from overwhelming pain from our sins. The jew man just made sure that Jesus was dead when he cut his chest.

Yes Jesus died for our sins and it was written in the bible long before He was born. I believe a Roman soldier killed him with a spear.

Many blame Jews for killed Jesus but there were many Jews did not want Him to die.

 

[The Heretic]

are we having a bible-thump-off?

I admit there's nothing funnier than a bunch of Christians preaching to one another on theological quibbles.

The only thing a neutral bystander can conclude from these squabbles is that a sacred book yeilds many interpretations.

 

[Daft]

Mt 7:21 - not everyone saying "Lord, Lord" will inherit

 

[Askjo]

FYI, Jesus killed himself for his plan.

Suicide????

 

[XBGMER]

Hi There! Remind you that I am not here to try playing hater or bully you around.. I like to debate with you what i disagree or agree by your posts..

The holy spirit is awaiting to enter the his chosen people at the right time. After the holy spirit entered the person and his mind and heart will be open and listen to the Gospel for the savlation.

To guilt those people that they knew there is God but they forsake God because they want to do the sin life instead to live in the holy life. They are labeled as an Anti-Christ.

There are many lost souls out there waiting to be saved. There are billions of the Anti-Christ people.

You forget to put the verse is Roman 1:19-21 and their result life in Roman 1:23 thru 31 verses. Umm..May I add on this, Holy Ghost is the word, not receive breath or wait for spirit come upon person. Once People person who open the scripture, therefore the Scripture is the word, that what The word give to person. He / she acknowledge that spirit already live in both them.

2.) beautiful post that there many anti-chirsts are in USA and the world. Since the world worshipping the nation of superpower captial aka USA]. then they hate their own and disobedence againist their fathers 's their own traditionals. they are called anti-christs..

If, as you believe, someone is already chosen to be saved, then how could that person become a "lost soul"?

My answer is There many chirstians including you who always announce that "I am saved" through baptist, etc.. Therefore, they are still a lost soul for their rest of this life.. Since they included you who are still confuse now and then.

 

[Reba]

Once save always saved is a false and unbiblical teaching. Salvation is ongoing process.

I think you are confusing salvation with holiness.
Salvation is a one-time, permanent event in a person's life. Salvation begins the process of holiness. Holiness is the day-by-day, minute-by-minute process of becoming more Christlike thru prayer, Bible study, and righteous living.

 

[Reba]

... The jew man just made sure that Jesus was dead when he cut his chest.

It was a Roman soldier. The entire crucifixion process was executed by Romans, not Jews.
"But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. (John 19:34)
However, we are all guilty of Jesus' death because it was our sin that put Him on the cross.

 

[LoneOak]

ckfarbes quote:
...,Holy Ghost is the word, not receive breath or wait for spirit come upon person. Once People person who open the scripture, therefore the Scripture is the word, that what The word give to person. He / she acknowledge that spirit already live in both them.

I am sorry ckfarbes thats not what Jesus or KJV says. I have previous wrote before you posted and wrote,

John 14:16 & 26
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit (HS) only comes to help us to understand, in time of sorrows, and of course the Holy Spirit also convince us till we turn him away, will the HS goes away from you. We can Only accept Jesus Christ for He is the way, the True, the Life, John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is NO other way or get around Jesus' words. You have 2 (Two) choices before you depart this planet Earth are..,

1)Believe, trust, follow Jesus way and stand before Jesus to hear this assures words "Well done, thou good and faithful servant: enter thou into the joy of thy Lord." (Matthew 25:21)

OR​

2) Reject, don't act on believing Jesus way then you will be standing before the Lord Jesus Christ and hear these terrible frighten words "Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." (Matthew 25:41)

I do not mean to be bully or harted either but want to point out the correct ways of understand the great mysteries of KJV Bible.

LoneOak

 

[LoneOak]

I just say and posted go kindly read what it says, Reba, However not only the a Roman soldier killed Jesus because Jesus was dead before the Roman soldier killed Jesus. The soldier was breaking the legs of two others on the cross then the soldier saw Jesus was dead, he then went on his side was also pierced with the spear which pour out lots of blood after his death (John 19:33-34).

It is us sinners, all of us are guiltly of putting Jesus on the cross so that Jesus can show victory over death and open the way for us to belivie and trust in Jesus.

LoneOak

 

[Daft]

" think you are confusing salvation with holiness.
Salvation is a one-time, permanent event in a person's life. Salvation begins the process of holiness. Holiness is the day-by-day, minute-by-minute process of becoming more Christlike thru prayer, Bible study, and righteous living."

This is absolutely wrong. Salvation was never a one-time, permanent thing. Not even the apostles felt they were secure in their own salvation.

1 Cor 10:11-12 - those thinking they are secure may fall

 

[XBGMER]

Did Jesus save the world? Did Moses save the world out of Egypt?

I am sorry ckfarbes thats not what Jesus or KJV says. I have previous wrote before you posted and wrote,


The Holy Spirit (HS) only comes to help us to understand, in time of sorrows, and of course the Holy Spirit also convince us till we turn him away, will the HS goes away from you. We can Only accept Jesus Christ for He is the way, the True, the Life, John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is NO other way or get around Jesus' words. You have 2 (Two) choices before you depart this planet Earth are..,

1)Believe, trust, follow Jesus way and stand before Jesus to hear this assures words "Well done, thou good and faithful servant: enter thou into the joy of thy Lord." (Matthew 25:21)

OR​

2) Reject, don't act on believing Jesus way then you will be standing before the Lord Jesus Christ and hear these terrible frighten words "Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." (Matthew 25:41)

I do not mean to be bully or harted either but want to point out the correct ways of understand the great mysteries of KJV Bible.

LoneOak

LoneOak, I am not here to make myself knowledge everything without scripture.. verses are my memories. and I give verse by verse out to people who hungry about the word of scripture.. So I know how people judge and twist my mind with their own words since people twisted people's mind with their words, because they who are intelligace amd knew more scripture but they try interpretations for people make believe them without scripture or verses..

then Don't tell me " you must misunderstanding by scripture's interpretations"...

You expect me bow to worshipping the spirit, ask the spook that give me the new spirit?? OH PLEASE.. C'MON!!! No, no, no, no Its not for me that what i ask for! I am sorry that I don't believe any spooks[spirits] around me nor even in heaven.. I refuse to worship the spirit or something else like you said.. If you weren't sure what in my points.. I suggest you, look and read my posts somewhere in thread here around that what I gave my belief out already...

I would tell you that God is a Man, but you think I am crazy insane or somethings whatever you call... I really don't care what the f*** do you thinking of me what I speaking of..


some advers of Everyone, Remember that during Jesus's days, the world of different people, different nations, different languages who came and lived israel and western lands. they corrupted land with voilence and full hates.. he told Pilate, [Joh 18:36]: Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight,that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. [Joh 17:16]: "even as I am not of the world."

My point that He didn't save the world, because the world was not belong to him. that why The world included the Jews who hate Jesus, the jews in Israel expect that the world and roman empire comforts israel country during jesus was with them. he predicted that the world will be damage themselves included the jews who following another gods of peoples and put jews into slaves again as repeat history itself for rest and forever..

Now and then, you look at this country [U.S.A.], the world of various countires with different languages who come to this country.. I am in the eye of God saw this corrupt with voilence again like in jesus's days. it is the way of history repeat itself.. nothing changes itelf like never better for the world of people who live in U.S.A may saved. but they will destory U.S.A.with themselves.. I knew what all prophets included Jesus 's prediect's repeat itself would be fulfill that you don't know nor understand at all..

 

[Maria]

Sorry for off-topic here for a moment...I just happen noticed that there are some missings here. Some one deleted AD members' talkin' directly to along with their comments. I wonder why is that ? It surely confused us who they are talkin' to along with their comments here.

 

[LoneOak]

LoneOak, I am not here to make myself knowledge everything without scripture.. verses are my memories. and I give verse by verse out to people who hungry about the word of scripture.. So I know how people judge and twist my mind with their own words since people twisted people's mind with their words, because they who are intelligace amd knew more scripture but they try interpretations for people make believe them without scripture or verses..

then Don't tell me " you must misunderstanding by scripture's interpretations"...

You expect me bow to worshipping the spirit, ask the spook that give me the new spirit?? OH PLEASE.. C'MON!!! No, no, no, no Its not for me that what i ask for! I am sorry that I don't believe any spooks[spirits] around me nor even in heaven.. I refuse to worship the spirit or something else like you said.. If you weren't sure what in my points.. I suggest you, look and read my posts somewhere in thread here around that what I gave my belief out already...
I would tell you that God is a Man, but you think I am crazy insane or somethings whatever you call... I really don't care what the f*** do you thinking of me what I speaking of..


some advers of Everyone, Remember that during Jesus's days, the world of different people, different nations, different languages who came and lived israel and western lands. they corrupted land with voilence and full hates.. he told Pilate, [Joh 18:36]: Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight,that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. [Joh 17:16]: "even as I am not of the world."

My point that He didn't save the world, because the world was not belong to him. that why The world included the Jews who hate Jesus, the jews in Israel expect that the world and roman empire comforts israel country during Jesus was with them. he predicted that the world will be damage themselves included the jews who following another gods of peoples and put jews into slaves again as repeat history itself for rest and forever..

Now and then, you look at this country [U.S.A.], the world of various countries with different languages who come to this country.. I am in the eye of God saw this corrupt with voilence again like in jesus's days. it is the way of history repeat itself.. nothing changes itelf like never better for the world of people who live in U.S.A may saved. but they will destory U.S.A.with themselves.. I knew what all prophets included Jesus 's prediect's repeat itself would be fulfill that you don't know nor understand at all..

I never say you MUST bow to worshipping the spirit..., You Must either chose Jesus or Satan. It is clearly states in the KJV bible. Jesus is the way not the spirit. Jesus is God in human form, lives and died and rose from the dead and live forever. This is Jesus who we must believe not the spirit. I am sorry you do not belive the Words.

 

[Reba]

Sorry for off-topic here for a moment...I just happen noticed that there are some missings here. Some one deleted AD members' talkin' directly to along with their comments. I wonder why is that ? It surely confused us who they are talkin' to along with their comments here.

I know what you mean. I am beginning to lose track of who said what. I can't keep up with all the different responses. Whoa!