U.S. Declares Public Health Emer.: Swine Flu

[jillio]

And now, I am going to bed because I am starting to feel sorry for Jiro. He has dug a hole that just keeps getting deeper the harder he tries to get out.

 

[Babyblue]

No, you finally understand. Babyblue and I have been saying all along that you need to go to the CDC and the WHO for accurate information.

What I thought...

I noted that you have stated that the president carries a stronger note.. due to people do not always have access to the CDC and WHO sites VIA internet.. but I think some, misunderstood your post.

 

[Babyblue]

And now, I am going to bed because I am starting to feel sorry for Jiro. He has dug a hole that just keeps getting deeper the harder he tries to get out.

Have a good night!

 

[Jiro]

What I thought...

I noted that you have stated that the president carries a stronger note.. due to people do not always have access to the CDC and WHO sites VIA internet.. but I think some, misunderstood your post.

and that's precisely what I'm saying. I can name you MANY MANY examples of public scare due to media AND/OR misspoken statements by people with authoritative positions (and they didn't even bother checking the sites or source with credentials and qualifications). I know you know what I'm talking about.

Jillio believes MAJORITY is not that stupid and they can think LOGICALLY & RATIONALLY.

...........right...................

 

[Jiro]

And now, I am going to bed because I am starting to feel sorry for Jiro. He has dug a hole that just keeps getting deeper the harder he tries to get out.

Again - I'm going to try to spend some of my time to illustrate why your post with source you have provided for me is flawed.

 

[Reba]

No, you finally understand. Babyblue and I have been saying all along that you need to go to the CDC and the WHO for accurate information.

It's too bad that we can't trust our own President and VP to convey accurate information to us.

 

[Babyblue]

and that's precisely what I'm saying. I can name you MANY MANY examples of public scare due to media AND/OR misspoken statements by people with authoritative positions (and they didn't even bother checking the sites or source with credentials and qualifications). I know you know what I'm talking about.

Jillio believes MAJORITY is not that stupid and they can think LOGICALLY & RATIONALLY.

...........right...................

Jillio, also stated not many have access to the internet!! When you stated.. They do.

Hard to believe how many people do not have the access... and not even a Black Berry or such.. Especially when one does have access.

She was simply pointing out how many people actually rely on the "Media" alone. Without any type of internet access... Some people only rely on "rumors" Think about the reality.. Not everyone is as fortunate to have certain access.

You were digging a bit too much!! Grasping straws.

But at the end... You finally agreed to what we have been saying all along...

 

[Babyblue]

It's too bad that we can't trust our own President and VP to convey accurate information to us.

Thanks to the "advisers" they have. Just wonder how any other President would have handled it.


How would have you handled it? Just out of curiosity?


I am a Republican myself.

and one of the few, that did not vote for Obama..

 

[Jiro]

Jillio, also stated not many have access to the internet!! When you stated.. They do.

You're mistaken. It's opposite - Jillio said majority has access to internet. I've said everything opposite of what Jillio said.

Hard to believe how many people do not have the access... and not even a Black Berry or such.. Especially when one does have access.

She was simply pointing out how many people actually rely on the "Media" alone. Without any type of internet access... Some people only rely on "rumors" Think about the reality.. Not everyone is as fortunate to have certain access.

EXACTLY!!! that's what i've been saying!!! That's why it's called Digital Divide. People who do not have access to internet vs. People who do. And people have significant advantage of those who do not have access to computers AND/OR have computers at home.

You were digging a bit too much!! Grasping straws.

But at the end... You finally agreed to what we have been saying all along...

you just agreed to what I just said. No wonder you were confused... You're a victim of Jillio's classic tactic when she's losing the argument - obfuscation and flooding.

 

[Jiro]

Thanks to the "advisers" they have. Just wonder how any other President would have handled it.


How would have you handled it? Just out of curiosity?


I am a Republican myself.

and one of the few, that did not vote for Obama..

Biden ACTED on his own.

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

Not if you have the ability to listen and comprehend. The question was what he would advise his family. He answered as to what he would do in regard to his own family. Had he said that he would advise them to go about their daily lives with no concern or need to take precautions, he would have been criticised for not having enough concern for his own family so how can he have concern for other Americans. Some people simply use anything to promote their own anti-Democratic agenda.

I agree.

I think what Biden said makes sense anyway, even if it hurts the air travel business. I would still follow his advice anyway even though it was for his own family. I would rather NOT get sick even if the air travel business goes to shit. My health is more important than the air travel business. Being sick is most definitely no fun! And I don't want to die from the H1N1 thing! (they need to change that to another name that's easier to type - with no numerics). I know it is in regards to his family, but I would still follow his advice simply because of common sense. You can catch all kinds of shit when you're in a small confined space with no fresh air and lots of surfaces that are touched all the time with lots of people where you can come into contact with very easily - you all bump into each other. People sneeze, cough, puke, spit, piss, shit, pick their noses and wipe their noses and mouths with their bare hands and then touch things and all other things. Gross. Yuck. I have heard stories of people shitting right there in subways and buses and other metro rails and other types of public transit even in plain sight of security cameras. I even read on someone's blog about someone who lived in Europe who takes the public transit to work, and one day he found pieces of shit on the floor on the metro rail, and the next day the shit was still there and even on the third day it was still there. He called the metro rail authorities to complain everyday, but it took the authorities a whole week to get someone to come out and clean up the mess. Gross! Recently someone took a huge shit on MY PORCH! I am not kidding! I have a picture if you don't believe me (I took the picture so I can prove to management that someone shat on my porch). And yes, it was a HUMAN person not a dog nor a cat, cause the pile of shit is just too fucking big to be from a dog or a cat! People on public transit and planes also litter. They stick old gums under the seats on the buses and rails and subways and planes, they throw tissues on other seats too. Yuck! I see it all the time because I have to ride the public transit buses and I fly fairly often even though I do not like to. Why do you think there is a business in instant hand sanitizers and sanitizing wipes now? I mean, I never heard of instant hand sanitizers until 10 years ago. Now I carry it in my purse, and I keep a big bottle of it in my bedroom so I can have it within reach if I touch something nasty (bugs, etc, ew). I still have the regular anti-bacterial soap in my bathroom that I use frequently too. Many clinics now make sick patients wear face masks, even if they only have a cold or a cough, which I started to notice about 5 years ago. My aunt will even clean her car steering wheel and the dashboard and any handles every time she uses the car. She takes the sanitizing wipes and wipes down her steering wheel and the dashboard and any other surface that we are likely to touch. At the movies you always find old gum under the chairs and spilled drinks and popcorn on the floor. It is gross. I highly doubt the chairs at the movie theaters are even professionally cleaned on a regular basis - no time to do so between movies. Gas stations especially in large cities have very nasty bathrooms. I have seen the grossest bathrooms. When I go to the bathroom at places like Walmart I always inspect the toilets. If I see piss or shit on the toilet I will not use it. I look for a clean stall. If there are none I do not go to the bathroom even if I have to go so bad. I ain't sitting my ass on someone else's piss or shit. Just wiping the seat is not good enough - the germs are still there unless someone takes bleach and cleans it up. Bleach kills germs. Many people even make their children wash their hands the moment they arrive home from schools because anything can happen in school. I remember when I was in middle school there were always gross old gums under our chairs and desks in the classroom - that is the major reason why gums have been banned from school for ages. It's just so gross. I think all children in elementary schools and even middle schools should be supervised in the school bathrooms to make sure they wash their hands after they use the toilets - many children do not, even though they say they do - they should hire someone to sit in the bathroom and make sure all children wash their hands and to catch anyone who tries to leave without washing their hands - children and even teenagers need to develop the regular habit of washing their hands after using the bathroom and even at regular intervals during the day even when they haven't done anything gross. I have seen so many children and even fully grown adults go to the public bathroom and then come out and go straight out the door without stopping at the sinks to wash their hands while I am standing at the sink washing my hands. Yuck! Many parents also make their children wash their hands before meals and take baths before bed. You come into contact with all kinds of surfaces that are not regularly cleaned on a regular basis such as desks and chairs and tables and walls. When I was in high school during the senior year of school my teacher would insist on opening all the classroom windows even in the middle of winter even when it is -10 outside (I grew up in Wisconsin and went to WSD). We would always complain about being cold, and she would tell us to wear warm clothes and that it is healthy to let the fresh air into the classroom regularly even when it is cold outside. And she is right. The fresh air from outside comes in and the old nasty air that had been in the classroom overnight goes out the window - she does this to circulate the clean air into the classroom and let the old dirty air outside - the fresh air from outside cleanses the classroom air. As a result, we did not get sick as much.

Last week my fiance's family asked me and my fiance to stay away from anyone who shows signs of a cold or any coughing or sneezing, and to wash our hands frequently which we already do, and if we come into contact with someone who's said that they've been sick recently or are sneezing or coughing or showing any other signs, to go to the nearest bathroom and wash our hands right away. We're going to follow their advice because we sure as hell do not want to get sick. I already carry an instant hand sanitizer in my purse, too, as an extra pre-caution.

Screw what people who have their own anti-Democratic agenda think - Biden said absolutely nothing wrong - what he had said does make a lot of sense anyway even though it was for his own family - those people are just always looking for something to use to advocate their own agenda, and that's nothing new. It's so dumb, really. Like, duh. :roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

6 long pages thread over that Biden´s view... Oh pleeeeaaasssseeee... :roll:

I see nothing wrong with Biden´s speech. He is only honest about how he feels and share his personally view that he advised his family to not go or take.... You all are adult and must have known how to protect yourself from virus, etc. thru the information.

Example: Obama shares his honest view about junk foods, tabacoo etc in his speech and advised his family to not take because they are bad for them... You all are adult and was being taught to know that they are bad for you, don´t you? It´s up to you to follow or ignore their recommendation. Every has their own responsible.

Don´´t you forget that Biden is human being like everyone who have mind and feeling, not robot. Biden has the right to make sure his family is safe.

Yes I advise my family to do the same thing Jo Biden said.

:roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It's too bad that we can't trust our own President and VP to convey accurate information to us.

You must have known that what virus is, don´t you?

I got information about Swine Flu via offical email, telling me how to protect myself. I advise my family do the same. My boys got the information from school and college about virus, too.

Do you have information how to protect virus, don´t you? It´s your responsible for ignore or follow the information.

Biden shared his personally view why he advised his family... It tell us that he like everyone to follow his advise. I see nothing wrong with that...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Biden ACTED on his own.

Huh? Are you adult or what?

Use your common sense.

 

[Jiro]

You must have known that what virus is, don´t you?

I got information about Swine Flu via offical email, telling me how to protect myself. I advise my family do the same. My boys got the information from school and college about virus, too.

Do you have information how to protect virus, don´t you? It´s your responsible for ignore or follow the information.

Biden shared his personally view why he advised his family... It tell us that he like everyone to follow his advise. I see nothing wrong with that...

is Biden a medical professional? is he qualified to give medical advice? His statement contradicted CDC's statement.

 

[Babyblue]

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how filthy the inside of a jetliner is? I recall seeing a television program a year or so ago where they showed how seldom the seats and armrests are sanitized, posing a health risk to airline travellers. I have no idea what they do now as far as sanitizing goes.

Nope...

It is just about any public place you go to.

Can not trust them to sanitize, public restrooms or any other places you go.

How often are shopping carts sanitized?

At least some local super markets provides sanitizers/wipes, etc... for such.

 

[Babyblue]

Exactly. And as I said prior, it is a well known fact that virus spread more readily in confined spaces.

No where did Biden say that air travel was not safe, either for his family or for the rest of the country. All he said was that he would advise his family not to take the risk. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Everyone else is free to advise their own families. If you think the risk is worth it, take it. If you don't think the risk is worth it, don't take it. Thank God we live in a country where we are free to make those decisions regarding our own families.

So, in other words, you don't think that flying is worth it, either. Aren't you glad you have the freedom to make those decisions for yourself.

I hope you don't either, but you know the risk and are free to decide for yourself whether you think it is worth it. Just as the Biden family is free to make that decision for themselves.

Safety is relative. And the virus that is currently spreading adds to that risk. Obviously Biden gives the American public credit for having a bit of common sense and not adding meaning to his words that were not intended. The question was not what he would advise all Americans to do, but what he would advise his own family to do. You are attempting to fulfil a political agenda based on a single personal decision regarding how he would advise his own family to avoid contracting a virus. And if you think Biden's statement is going to have more of an impact on air travel that the concern that is already out there regarding contracting the virus, then you certainly don't give the majority of Americans credit for being able to form a logical thought.

Biden is not responsible for the drop in air travel. The virus is. He did not personally go to Mexico and release the virus in America. Get real.

Reading on.... So far so good.

She stated Bidens statement is not going to have an impact.

I will keep reading through the thread.

 

[Babyblue]

1. please point out where in my post did I say that his statement isn't credible.
2. a political agenda??? and what that might be?
3. You are really getting irrational in here... It is very obvious that you are attempting to hide your own skin by distorting other post
4. I think it's time you to give it up and realize that Biden made a gaffe (unintentionally)

certain things were uncalled for

Hide my skin? What in the world are you talking about? If you don't believe his statement is credible, what in the world are you complaining about? And there is absolutely no reason for me to admit that Biden made a gaffe when I don't believe he did. He spoke for himself and his family in his response to the direct question regarding such. He in no way implied that he was speaking for anyone else or in an official capacity. If there is any distortion going on here, it is by those who can't see that Biden was speaking for what he would do in regard to his own family and nothing more. Your attempt to twist it into something more is what is irrational.

Biden was speaking for himself. Saying "If it was me, I would do" type of statement. Jillio never denied that.

oh boy..... Reba... a long-time career Navy reporter (or journalist) with years of experience in public relation/public events.... has tried to explain to you and I too.... and I'm sorry that you're not able to see such an obvious thing.

it's ok. agree to disagree.

What exactly does Reba being in the Navy or being a reporter have to do with the fact that I see the statement in a different way? Are you suggesting that your reading comprehension, and Reba's reading comprehension, is superior to mine simply because I have a different perspective? You need to watch yourself, Jiro.

And stand on your own two feet. Stop hiding behind someone else's skirts.

Now, back on topic. Level 5 pandemic warning. Swine flu. How to avoid contracting the virus.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

is Biden a medical professional? is he qualified to give medical advice? His statement contradicted CDC's statement.

Again, Biden is speaking as a parent, not an official. :roll:

What he said is correct.

 

[Jiro]

Again, Biden is speaking as a parent, not an official. :roll:

What he said is correct.

oh I'm sorry but when he stepped up on in the spotlight, what was he? Vice President or a parent?