truth - what's the matter?

[Askjo]

Originally Posted by Meg

Not always true, Jo.

I research for more than 30 years. I heard most of them saying that they are Christians, but the fact shows no repentance.

I ve met so many so called Christians claming that they are Christians and have accepted Jesus Christ, yet continue to lie. Yet I ve met many people who are not Christians yet have pure honest souls.

Many Christians and non-Christians tell many lies because we are YET sinners. Jesus Christ died for YOU and ME.

Religion has no relations to whether a person is truly honest or not. Period.

I do not buy religion.

By the way, I am a Christian and do believe that Jesus is the Truth

What is your life in God's sight? Be holy or doing more sins?

Originally Posted by Magatsu

Many of them would accept Jesus as their savior but they don't want anyone to shove the Bible & beliefs down in their throats

If they are REAL Christians, where are their spirit of fruit? Look at CyberRed or Reba, for example. What about you and others?

Originally Posted by Banjo

I'm a Christian too. I've been accused of misleading people in the past.

That can happen -- all of us are not perfect because we are human being.

 

[FeistyChick]

Erm...not all deaf are deaf to truth. I'm a very honest person and have turned many off with my straightforwardness and pure honesty. I believe that life is damn too short to beat around the bushes, so to speak.

Unfortunately I've experienced many Hearing folks being dishonest, etc. Needless to say, Deaf folks has lied to my face. It boils down to each individual, not whether she/he is hearing or deaf.

Honesty sets one free.

this is very true!!! this sounds like a stereotype type of thing (in concept) .. sheesh.. but really it depends on the individual..

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, I´m agree with Cookie Monster and Meg.

Telling the truth is the best.

I give honest answer to people´s questions. It would be worst if I tell white lie or lie to them because they will find out soon or later.


Yes, hearing and deaf are the same. I work with hearing co-workers. My co-workers tell me the office news what they heard the gossip etc. etc. etc.
Of course neighbors, too.

 

[Askjo]

Telling the truth is the best.

I agree with you. However 2 things are acceptable and rejectable. To tell the truth is to hurt anyone, and not to hurt anyone, for example of Clinton and Monica. Not to hurt Monica, but to hurt Clinton. Clinton rejected the truth that anyone told against him until he was caught.

To tell the truth is the best to accept.

To tell the truth is the best to reject.

Jesus Christ is the truth.

Why did many people reject Him?

Why did many people accept Him?

 

[truthmatters]

Askjo, I would appreciate it if you do not derail this topic with your religious fanatic spouts. This thread has NOTHING to do with religion. Thank you for raping my thread.

 

[Gemtun]

Askjo, I would appreciate it if you do not derail this topic with your religious fanatic spouts. This thread has NOTHING to do with religion. Thank you for raping my thread.

Ahh there you are. I was puzzled by what you really meant. I wasnt sure if you were discussing religious Truth or just general Truth.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I think he meant truth as people know it. Which could mean many things to different people, but I agree with TM. Religious truth, while important to some, is not the only truth.

 

[The Heretic]

Askjo, I would appreciate it if you do not derail this topic with your religious fanatic spouts. This thread has NOTHING to do with religion. Thank you for raping my thread.

Askjo is certainly entitled to his fanatic opinions. I may not agree with him, but I will defend his right to express an opinion, no matter how one-sided or narrow-minded it is.

 

[truthmatters]

Askjo is certainly entitled to his fanatic opinions. I may not agree with him, but I will defend his right to express an opinion, no matter how one-sided or narrow-minded it is.

Askjo is welcome to post his fanatical opinions elsewhere on this forum, but not in this thread!

I brought up this topic to discuss why I am seeing more Deaf people would rather spread gossip and rumor than to seek out the truth. It seems that truth no longer have value among the Deaf community.

 

[The Heretic]

Askjo is welcome to post his fanatical opinions elsewhere on this forum, but not in this thread!

Well, you're not being fair. You also did not explain clearly what you meant by "truth" in your opening post, so Askjo was within his rights to post his views on what truth was, and why the deaf do not subscribe to its importance.

Quite odd that your first response in this thread was to complain about Askjo, instead of expanding on your opening post or answer the others who posted immediately thereupon.

I brought up this topic to discuss why I am seeing more Deaf people would rather spread gossip and rumor than to seek out the truth. It seems that truth no longer have value among the Deaf community.

Well, now that you have explained yourself, i don't think you have thought this out carefully. For one thing, "gossip" and "rumor" can be true if something scandalous happened and some person, unable to keep such information to him/herself, shares it with another, and they find others to shock the information with, and perpetuate the cycle. What is true and what is gossip is not necessarily mutually exclusive. However, if you were talking about misleading information such as calumnies, then you might have something to work with. Do you have examples?

For another, this is hardly news - people have always been circulating rumor and gossip since the dawn of civilization, so no big deal. That means it's not a recent phenomenon. Perhaps communicating on the internet has made the already "small" deaf world even smaller, which means the information is circulated much faster.

 

[Oakley_04]

Hey, deaf258, Congs on your new SN

 

[Vance]

Hey, deaf258, Congs on your new SN

I relay the message from him via 'medium':

"Hi saxxyhereiam".

If they are REAL Christians, where are their spirit of fruit? Look at CyberRed or Reba, for example. What about you and others?

Uh-hu.. so they are "real" christians while others are not? The latest drama indicated otherwise. And I honestly would think that 'Real' Christians are not supposed to judge others or backstabbed someone else's back at ... certain places.

Well, my comment; "That's a hard fact which certain Christians refuse to acknowledge" is still standing. To not jack or derail this topic, let's back to this topic...

I think he meant truth as people know it. Which could mean many things to different people, but I agree with TM. Religious truth, while important to some, is not the only truth.

You have a good point. Many people often altered the 'truth' to fit into their beliefs, desires and opinions. The history cycled itself over and over for many, many years.

 

[Vance]

For another, this is hardly news - people have always been circulating rumor and gossip since the dawn of civilization, so no big deal. That means it's not a recent phenomenon. Perhaps communicating on the internet has made the already "small" deaf world even smaller, which means the information is circulated much faster.

You nailed it better than I plan to say about this issue.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I relay the message from him via 'medium':

"Hi saxxyhereiam".

Uh-hu.. so they are "real" christians while others are not? The latest drama indicated otherwise. And I honestly would think that 'Real' Christians are not supposed to judge others or backstabbed someone else's back at ... certain places.

Well, my comment; "That's a hard fact which certain Christians refuse to acknowledge" is still standing. To not jack or derail this topic, let's back to this topic...

You have a good point. Many people often altered the 'truth' to fit into their beliefs, desires and opinions. The history cycled itself over and over for many, many years.

Thank you.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Well, you're not being fair. You also did not explain clearly what you meant by "truth" in your opening post, so Askjo was within his rights to post his views on what truth was, and why the deaf do not subscribe to its importance.

Quite odd that your first response in this thread was to complain about Askjo, instead of expanding on your opening post or answer the others who posted immediately thereupon.



Well, now that you have explained yourself, i don't think you have thought this out carefully. For one thing, "gossip" and "rumor" can be true if something scandalous happened and some person, unable to keep such information to him/herself, shares it with another, and they find others to shock the information with, and perpetuate the cycle. What is true and what is gossip is not necessarily mutually exclusive. However, if you were talking about misleading information such as calumnies, then you might have something to work with. Do you have examples?

For another, this is hardly news - people have always been circulating rumor and gossip since the dawn of civilization, so no big deal. That means it's not a recent phenomenon. Perhaps communicating on the internet has made the already "small" deaf world even smaller, which means the information is circulated much faster.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why people are so interested in another person's business. What business is it of anybody's whether something is true or not? If it's true, then there will be facts to back it up. If something is false, then, why bother with it?

I have talked to enough deaf people to get that the deaf community is small, but what I don't understand and will never understand is, why people have to always worry about what the other person is doing? Hasn't anybody ever heard of MYOB (minding their own business)? It seems people would be alot happier if they just went ahead and did that.

 

[apathrev]

In response to the original thread, can you please clarify your point? Are you implying deaf people are not straightforward? Are you saying deaf people only believe what they want to believe? That deaf people are skeptical? That is a pretty general statement, and is open to a lot of interpretation. I'd like to reply, but I think it'd be best to understand where you are coming from first.

And in response to the fundamentalist Christian statements, accepting Jesus would have nothing to do with not lying. The Bible clearly states we are all sinners in God's eye. Nothing is going to change that. That is the purpose for Jesus' death. To provide us a way of salvation, other than works. But that is if you believe in Christian dogma. Not everyone does, and it is not right to judge people who don't.

 

[CODAchild]

I have a male friend that is deaf, whenever I tell him the truth, or give him constructive criticism, he thinks I am blaming him for something or just anything! So I would have to explain to him what I meant. I think he just has a hard time accepting the truth or gets confused between the truth and being blamed for something.
But, I have to agree, a lot of deaf want to be told the truth. Deaf are no different than hearing. A lot of deaf, want to be told to their faces the truth, nothing to be hid.
It depends on a lot of different types of people, some would like to hear the truth (deaf eyes), others would rather you not tell them the truth, just cover it up with something they would rather hear ( again deaf eyes).
You brought up a good point on deaf having a hard time hearing the truth.
Good subject matter!!

 

[Cookie Monster]

Askjo is welcome to post his fanatical opinions elsewhere on this forum, but not in this thread!

You did not state in the beginning of the thread your desires for the debate to continue. Assumptions are always deadly and people do make fools out of themselves, one cannot order another member to take their "fanatical opinions" elsewhere on this forum just because a member isn't posting to your wishes. Just like the esteemed author/philosopher Voltaire said," I will fight to the death for your right to your opinion." Everyone is entitled to their opinions, whether it be false & elaborate rumours and/or facts.

 

[Vance]

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why people are so interested in another person's business. What business is it of anybody's whether something is true or not? If it's true, then there will be facts to back it up. If something is false, then, why bother with it?

I have talked to enough deaf people to get that the deaf community is small, but what I don't understand and will never understand is, why people have to always worry about what the other person is doing? Hasn't anybody ever heard of MYOB (minding their own business)? It seems people would be alot happier if they just went ahead and did that.

Indeed. I am deaf and I never understand why these people tend to do that. I wish I have the answer for that but I don't.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Indeed. I am deaf and I never understand why these people tend to do that. I wish I have the answer for that but I don't.

Well, I'm hearing, so you know I don't get it!

As I've said before in other threads, I like a good drama. I won't be a hypocrite and say I don't like a good melodrama once in awhile, but when it comes to people getting hurt, I draw the line. Especially, if that person is my friend!

I know I've done my fair share of adding to the chaos. I admit it. I also admit that it was probably wrong. And, I'm sorry. I really am.

I guess what I've realized that in order for change to occur, one must be apart of the solution and not the problem. That's the problem as I see it. We make ourselves apart of the problem when it's really not that important to begin, or it doesn't involve us. I'm veering off the point here a bit, and I know that this intent of this thread was to talk about real life situations. I'm restricting my comments to just my conduct on the messageboard, though. Because, really, folks... To me, this is just a message board. It's NOT real life. I don't take things seriously, and I really wish others didn't either. Especially when it comes to hurting another's feelings. What purpose is there in that? Does it really make you feel good to know you've bruised an ego alittle bit, or out right hurt someone?

I can honestly say I've done it, and it doesn't make me feel all that great.