Tom Cruise 'is Christ' of Scientology

[lumbingmi]

My answer to your questions, NO... Christianity means anyone who pray to receive Jesus as our Personal Savior into our heart. Jesus died on the cross for our sins and paid the prices of our sins. Forgives our sins and we know our salvation be with Jesus for everlasting life! This is NOT a cult period!

Huh? Did you even read my post abt explanation of what cult is?? christianity meets the critieria of cult. like it or not, the fact remains same christianity is cult and no different from other cults such as muslims, buddism, etc..

 

[lumbingmi]

Amen! because devil brainwash you of all because devil don't want you see truth which one? devil wanted people won souls!!! SAD!!

Irrational people are pretty super-smart in our society.

 

[lumbingmi]

If you are against Jesus Christ, then you are anti Christ.

Lower case "anti" means "against". There are many people who are anti Christ.

But I doubt that you are THE Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ is the false imitation of Christ who will take control of the world governments after the Rapture.

Upper case "Anti" means "false". There will be only one Anti-Christ.

If you are not against the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior, God, Creator and King of the Universe, then you are not anti Christ.

If you are against Him, then you fit the label, and it shouldn't bother you.

I'm against Satan. If someone labels me as anti Satan, that's fine because it's true. I certainly don't get upset about it.

No need to label people. I dont call you and other christians names, just pointing out that it is ridiclous to label people anit-christs. There are some peole who love Jesus and his teaching But do not agree with what rest of bible says and despite bible thumping people who think they re 'holier than u'.

I am not against Jesus and his teaching so what that make me?

 

[DefMATRIXense]

It doesn't made sense, what you said you trust in God? Jesus Christ is a GOD!

Jesus Christ is not a GOD if you asked my opinion. GOD before Jesus, Adam and Eve before Jesus. A lot of people there before Jesus. That's fact. That's only way you beleive he is a GOD because of bible says so. Everyone knows a bible is not fact. Do you aware there are 7 different bibles? Several of them saying Jesus Christ is not a GOD. J.C., God, and Holy Spriit becomes The One

 

[lumbingmi]

Jesus Christ is not a GOD if you asked my opinion. GOD before Jesus, Adam and Eve before Jesus. A lot of people there before Jesus. That's fact. That's only way you beleive he is a GOD because of bible says so. Everyone knows a bible is not fact. Do you aware there are 7 different bibles? Several of them saying Jesus Christ is not a GOD. J.C., God, and Holy Spriit becomes The One

Do u mean different translation i.e KJV, NT, etc.. or there are 7 separate written bibles?

Mormon bible was written after holy bible and its intersting that christianity rejected mormon s bible.

 

[Reba]

...There are some peole who love Jesus and his teaching But do not agree with what rest of bible says ...

Jesus taught that the Scriptures were from God, and should be obeyed. Do you accept that teaching?

Jesus said:

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:15, 21


If someone loves Jesus and His teachings, then they must love and accept the whole Bible.

I am not against Jesus and his teaching so what that make me?

Jesus taught that the only way to God was thru salvation in Him. Do you accept that teaching?

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6

Jesus said:

He that is not with me is against me;
Matthew 12:30

 

[Reba]

No need to label people. I dont call you and other christians names, just pointing out that it is ridiclous to label people anit-christs. ..

"Christian" is a label. Labels aren't always bad. They are used for identification.

A label is bad if it isn't true.

I am not against Jesus and his teaching so what that make me?

I thought you didn't want to be labeled?

 

[lumbingmi]

^^^ actually i believe that translators twisted some jesus' words to fit their hidden motivation, politics, agendas, etc..

Do you realized that bible leaves some gospels out specifically gospel of mary and thomas?? but that s for other discussion (as i will make a thread about early christians/gnostic debate soon

i m saying jesus is great teacher much like mother teresa and gandi.
and we re going off the point of this thread.

Tom Cruise has every right to believe that his own relgious is true and none of you have right to crucify him.

 

[shel90]

Sheesh that's was totally uncalled for....The devil didn't brainwashed me at all, you didn't even read some of our posts here but sitting here judging us like that....

I know..that was why I was puzzled to why she is harsh on people who dont have the same beliefs. I am like "who cares" if people dont have the same beliefs as I do. Everyone is different but I dont judge people who dont believe in the same thing as I do but I guess I will never get that answer so I am just gonna let it go.

 

[shel90]

No need to label people. I dont call you and other christians names, just pointing out that it is ridiclous to label people anit-christs. There are some peole who love Jesus and his teaching But do not agree with what rest of bible says and despite bible thumping people who think they re 'holier than u'.

I am not against Jesus and his teaching so what that make me?

Very good point there.

 

[Cheri]

This thread is getting

 

[Cheri]

I know..that was why I was puzzled to why she is harsh on people who dont have the same beliefs. I am like "who cares" if people dont have the same beliefs as I do. Everyone is different but I dont judge people who dont believe in the same thing as I do but I guess I will never get that answer so I am just gonna let it go.

Amen!!, even according to the bible, "we should not judge one another", We should not judge others, we would not want to be judged with ourselves.

 

[christlovedeaf]

wow, what a mess in here. really, as Reba mentioned about antichrist is not the same as today, she meant Anti-christ in the future during tribulation. many will follow him(anti-christ), thats part of the beast. if anyone doesnt follow the antichrist will be executed. this is why there is so many different religions which Satan's goal to get you. Jesus is like a treasure, which is hard to find. its hard to tell if its real gold and fake gold. Jesus is like a real gold, but many found false gold (other religions). Jesus left Heaven to become human like us, but no sin. like i shared before, Jesus looked at Jerusalem very very early in the morning heartbroken, bec many have been decieved. no, like KJV, is not written in any political view at all. in the NT matched the OT, which no other books like it.

 

[Reba]

^^^ actually i believe that translators twisted some jesus' words to fit their hidden motivation, politics, agendas, etc..

That's the excuse people like to use for not accepting the Bible. Simply say that the sections you don't want to obey were "twisted". It's funny that no one ever says that any of the sweet loving sections were twisted. Just the sections that require commitment or obedience. Hmmm...

Do you realized that bible leaves some gospels out specifically gospel of mary and thomas?? but that s for other discussion (as i will make a thread about early christians/gnostic debate soon

That old story has been around the threads several times before. It's still baloney but feel free to go at it again if you want.

i m saying jesus is great teacher much like mother teresa and gandi.
and we re going off the point of this thread.

So, Jesus was a "great teacher" but not "great" enough to believe?

Tom Cruise has every right to believe that his own relgious is true and none of you have right to crucify him.

Of course, in America, he can believe whatever he wants. No one here can stop him. That doesn't mean his beliefs and actions can't be criticized. He put himself out there to the public, so he should expect some controversy. I don't think he'll be crushed by anything anyone at AD says.

 

[EagleCherokee63]

Jesus Christ is not a GOD if you asked my opinion. GOD before Jesus, Adam and Eve before Jesus. A lot of people there before Jesus. That's fact. That's only way you beleive he is a GOD because of bible says so. Everyone knows a bible is not fact. Do you aware there are 7 different bibles? Several of them saying Jesus Christ is not a GOD. J.C., God, and Holy Spriit becomes The One

I show you Bible verse here, KJV King James Version John 1:1-5

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Word, who is? JESUS!

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]. Jesus is God!

People who not believe God/ anti-Christ. Jesus Christ know who are you. You don't know who is God. Explain KJV said John 1:10-11

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

You can look read Who is God? here.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. A/Q who is? Jesus Christ!!!!! IT IS VERY POWER WORD!!

 

[Cheri]

Of course, in America, he can believe whatever he wants. No one here can stop him. That doesn't mean his beliefs and actions can't be criticized. He put himself out there to the public, so he should expect some controversy. I don't think he'll be crushed by anything anyone at AD says.

I'm surprised to hear you say that Reba, I didn't think you would even go that low to criticized a person for what they believe in, or agreed it's okay for others to criticized a person. *smh*

 

[EagleCherokee63]

Amen!!, even according to the bible, "we should not judge one another", We should not judge others, we would not want to be judged with ourselves.

The reason Reba, CyberRed and myself just wanted all of you be aware with the false doctrines out in the world. That's why we do not want to lose their souls to the devil!! Devil loved to blinded in your eyes and mind to steal your soul!! It is very dangerous and sad to hear that way!!! We are giving an encouragement to you and spreading Gospel of Jesus Christ to other people. When we die and face with God on Judgment Day, it will not be ashamed of me because we first loved God in our life to spread the Good News for God. If I DID NOT spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ that I have the knowledge about the Bible then God will rebuked me!!! I would have to be knelt down in front of God with a FULL OF ASHAMED!!! God would be heartbroken because I did not share them to the lost souls!!

John 14:6 Jesus is ONE, Truth, Life, Way!

Right, KJV Romans 2:1-7

1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

 

[Maria]

.. What I was trying to say is where the proof that Tom believe in this? meaning what if this article that was printed in the Sun paper was false?...As you know Media always seem to twisted things around when it comes to someone famous....gossiping plays a role in this as well too...

Shouldn't make such a judegement toward people unless you are very sure this is what Tom believes in...

That's why I'm not going to jump to conclusions here until I see farther proof...

I am not talkin' about media or Sun paper. I am talkin' about Tom Cruise himself and his religion " Scientology ". That Scientology is a " New Age " kind of religion. I most definitely disagree with his Scientology. Scientology is not exactly what the Bible is all about. Scientology don't tell about Jesus who died on the cross for all mankind. Scientology is way, way different. Tom Cruise and others who are famous actors/actresses like him ....are anti-christs, because their beliefs are against Jesus Christ. Of course, I know that it's Tom Cruise's business to believe in Scientology. This thread is about him and his religion....and, I am entitled to say my point of view/opinion about him and his religion in this thread.

I would suggest you to research and read what Scientology is all about. Maybe, this will give you some ideas to understand why it is a cult.

 

[Maria]

I'm surprised to hear you say that Reba, I didn't think you would even go that low to criticized a person for what they believe in, or agreed it's okay for others to criticized a person. *smh*

She is entitled to say her point of view/opinion about him and his Scientology since this thread is all about him and Scientology. It is on topic debate forum.

 

[Reba]

From Wikipedia:

Scientology is a body of teachings and related techniques developed by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard. It began in 1952 as a self-help philosophy, an outgrowth of his earlier self-help system, Dianetics, and later described itself as a new religion. It claims to offer "an exact methodology" to help humans achieve awareness of their spiritual existence across many lifetimes and, simultaneously, to become more effective in the physical world. The name "Scientology" is also used to refer to the often controversial Church of Scientology, the largest organization promoting the practice of Scientology, which is itself part of a network of affiliated corporations that claim ownership and sole authority to disseminate Dianetics and Scientology.

A stated goal of Scientology is to rehabilitate the thetan (roughly equivalent to the soul) to regain its native state of "total freedom." Church spokesmen and practitioners claim that Hubbard's teachings (called "Technology" or "Tech" in Scientology terminology) have saved them from a plethora of problems and enabled them to better realize their highest potential in business and in their personal lives. However, outside observers—including journalists, lawmakers, and national governing bodies of several countries—have alleged that the Church is an unscrupulous commercial enterprise that harasses its critics and brutally exploits its members.

Although Scientologists are usually free to practice their beliefs, the organized church has often encountered opposition. While a number of governments now view the Church as a religious organization entitled to the protections and tax relief that such status brings, others view it as a pseudoreligion, a cult, or a transnational corporation.

The Church of Scientology says that Scientology is concerned with "the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life." By contrast, Dianetics is more narrowly focused on getting rid of the reactive mind, the "bank" of traumatic memories known as engrams which are said to inhibit one's success and happiness. Scientology also covers topics such as ethics and morality (The Way to Happiness), drug and chemical residues as they relate to spiritual wellbeing (the Purification Rundown), communication, marriage, raising children, work-related problems, education (Study Technology), and the very nature of life (The Dynamics).

Scientology practices are structured in sequential series or levels, reflecting Hubbard's belief that rehabilitation takes place on a step-by-step "gradient"; for example, that the negative effects of drugs must be addressed before other issues can be "handled". Scientologists follow a sequence of courses that culminate in the esoteric advanced strata of Scientology's teachings. This is described as a passage along "the Bridge to Total Freedom", or simply "the Bridge," in which each step of the Bridge promises a little more personal freedom in some particular area of life.