This is what happens

Bottesini said:
THe family is suing the franchise for promoting alcohol and contributing in that manner to the beating as the people were very drunk.



Dodgers challenge lawsuit filed by family of beaten fan - CNN
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Two months later, his family filed a lawsuit on his behalf naming 13 corporate entities related to the Dodgers as well as its owner, Frank McCourt, that alleged that faulty security measures and defective facilities contributed to Stow's attack. The suit claims that the San Francisco Giants fan was harassed, threatened and intimidated inside the stadium, and then security officers allowed the attackers to follow him outside.

Evidently, they have named several ways the 13 corporate entities are responsible.
 
Bottesini said:
I have posted one. And it's really easy to find reams just by Googling it.
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Your link also says it was faulty security measures, as well as other variables, that contributed to the attack.

Fact is, the attackers made a choice. Whether they made a choice to consume the alcohol, or a choice to harrass, or a choice to attack, they made a choice. Blaming it on the alcohol is an excuse. Someone who gets behind the wheel of a car after drinking and injures someone to the degree this man was injured can't say, 'Hey, the alcohol made me decide to drink and drive." They made a choice to attack this man. Time to take responsibility for that choice. Everyone that consumed a beer at the stadium that day did not end up inflicting life threatening injuries on another human being. It wasn't the alcohol. It was the individual.
 
jillio said:
Got anything at all to support that? This article doesn't mention alcohol. If you have one that does, I'd be glad to read it.
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Koko has something in post 94. Again it was all over the news there. You can choose to believe or not. No biggie to me either way. :)
 
jillio said:
Your link also says it was faulty security measures, as well as other variables, that contributed to the attack.

Fact is, the attackers made a choice. Whether they made a choice to consume the alcohol, or a choice to harrass, or a choice to attack, they made a choice. Blaming it on the alcohol is an excuse. Someone who gets behind the wheel of a car after drinking and injures someone to the degree this man was injured can't say, 'Hey, the alcohol made me decide to drink and drive." They made a choice to attack this man. Time to take responsibility for that choice. Everyone that consumed a beer at the stadium that day did not end up inflicting life threatening injuries on another human being. It wasn't the alcohol. It was the individual.
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Many people believe that alcohol can have a negative effect on decision making. No doubt they made a choice to drink alcohol though.....I don't think anyone force fed them. :)
 
posts from hell said:
I saw NOTHING in the article about alcohol. Can you guys clarify on that point?
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It was an assumption on my part, based on my experiences at MLB and other professional sports events. That is one of the biggest reasons I stopped going. Nothing like paying for a seat, then having some 22 year old with his buddies, sitting right behind me, hollering obscenities for 3 hours, all the while being fueled by countless vendors with their liquid wares. If this had occured outside a bar, I would have assumed they were drunken idiots as well.

I see the assumption has been proven correct, based on latter posts.
 
If alcohol isn't the problem, why have age restrictions? Especially for our service personnel that are under 21, why should they be kept away from bars? Haven't the proven worthy of making adult decisions?

I agree that alcohol does not make the person decide to beat someone. It aids in poor decision making.

I could put this into another context; why not compare alcohol to gun ownership? If the alcohol is just an innocent player in the world of violence, so is a pistol.
 
TXgolfer said:
This was a HUGE story in the Bay area for months. Everyone was drinking according to witnesses I saw on the news. Even Stow who was double the legal limit. (at least they were going for a Taxi).
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This made me cringe.... NOW you are okay with making assumptions based on eyewitnesses?

In many other cases, you adamantly took a neutral stance no matter how much circumstantial evidence there is.

Come on, man....

Personally, I think it was hateful a-holes fueled by alcohol. I wouldn't call it a hate crime though.
 
I wish that poor guy the best.
It is sad what happened to him.
About the alcohol. I agree Jillio, alcohol is no excuse for your actions and alcohol is not the reason for violence, then again I agree with kokonut: Best thing to do would be to get rid of alcohol at these games at least until the human race is that far developed that no one is beaten up just for "fun".
Age restrictions...well I don't think you can connect alcohol as a cause of violence and age. Like some of you pointed out, all over the world people get beaten up for nothing. Over here teens at age 16 can legally buy beer and wine. At the age of 18 you can get everything. A violent teenager will be violent, but maybe adults should protect reckless teenagers from certain things nonetheless. Alcohol is an addictive drug...that alone should make it clear, why there is an age restriction.
 
Alcohol does not make all people out to be beligerant and "looking for a fight" or something like that. I can't seem to find the word or phrase I really want here.

I personally know of about 25 people that when drunk, they fall asleep kind of like narcolepsy. I have also seen and heard of others who are such sad drunks that the tears won't stop. They totally bawl like babies and whine and cry for hours. And yes, I have seen the fighters and nasty drunks. I have seen the drunks that will go out for revenge on some slight no matter how old and ancient.

This incident was more (to me) a "wrong place, wrong time" kind of incident. Banning alcohol from sports arenas and places like that is not an answer. They will still find a way to have their drink.

I don't have it anymore as it was lost when I had a hard-drive crash, but I got an email from my mother's cousin in Australia about 8 years ago. She was wondering what was up with people in the US who couldn't be civil to others. She was totally astounded at the hostility and such that she reads online and in her paper under World News. Now, I can say the same about other countries as well, so it is a global issue.
 
howag said:
Easier said then done.
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You can help minimize the jerks' actions by leaving out the alcohol which can amplify or make worse their attitudes. Why sell the liquid drug when you know the odds are many people will abuse their own drinks at the stadium to point of becoming drunk and loud? Totally, totally irresponsible. It also helps minimize liabilities against the stadium owners, too.

Sorry fans: Final game at Giants Stadium to be alcohol free, Jets say - New York Daily News
 
KristinaB said:
Alcohol does not make all people out to be beligerant and "looking for a fight" or something like that. I can't seem to find the word or phrase I really want here.

I personally know of about 25 people that when drunk, they fall asleep kind of like narcolepsy. I have also seen and heard of others who are such sad drunks that the tears won't stop. They totally bawl like babies and whine and cry for hours. And yes, I have seen the fighters and nasty drunks. I have seen the drunks that will go out for revenge on some slight no matter how old and ancient.

This incident was more (to me) a "wrong place, wrong time" kind of incident. Banning alcohol from sports arenas and places like that is not an answer. They will still find a way to have their drink.

I don't have it anymore as it was lost when I had a hard-drive crash, but I got an email from my mother's cousin in Australia about 8 years ago. She was wondering what was up with people in the US who couldn't be civil to others. She was totally astounded at the hostility and such that she reads online and in her paper under World News. Now, I can say the same about other countries as well, so it is a global issue.
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The word could be "inhibition." Depending on your personality the alcohol brings out different aspects of your personality. Mixing the liquid drug (alcohol) with a bunch of rowdy fans of two opposing teams is not a good mix. You have families there who want to have a good time but you have a bunch idiots getting inebriated and loud. You don't need alcohol to have a "good time." It's a drug that can affect you in a not so good way. Get rid of it at the stadium.
 
I personally know a few people that cannot drink alcohol....period!....And just like Kristina said, alcohol affects people in different ways.

I've even known someone who went to Church during services, staggered in....and yelled..."Help me! Alcohol has got me by the throat."....Would he have done that sober? NO......People have been known to do weird and crazy things when under the influence.....things they would never do when they were sober, and upon finding out what they did...were embarrassed.....even shocked.

I do believe alcohol was the culprit here!...Even women have gotten raped, children molested when the other person was drunk and under the influence....even fathers molesting/raping their children while they are drunk....it happened in my family, so that's a true fact.

I don't go to the games anymore, because of the drunks there...
 
kokonut said:
You can help minimize the jerks' actions by leaving out the alcohol which can amplify or make worse their attitudes. Why sell the liquid drug when you know the odds are many people will abuse their own drinks at the stadium to point of becoming drunk and loud? Totally, totally irresponsible. It also helps minimize liabilities against the stadium owners, too.

Sorry fans: Final game at Giants Stadium to be alcohol free, Jets say - New York Daily News
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And then again you have fans that come in not acting like jerks turn out to be drinks because they have had one too many alcoholic drinks. That's where the problem could potential crop up.
 
Not only during the games but what happens afterwards. Driving home drunk isn't a good thing.

There are more alcohol-related car crashes after sports games than before or during the same time on nongame days, a previous study by Canadian researchers found. Beside the well- known link between drunk driving and accidents, fans who are drunk are likelier to hurt themselves or others, Erickson said.
Tailgate Parties

Those who attended tailgate parties had a 14 times greater risk of being inebriated than those who hadn’t attended a party. Almost 1 in 4 people who tailgated reported consuming five or more drinks while tailgating, the study found.

Fans who attended night games had higher odds of having a mid-range blood alcohol content, one that wasn’t above the legal limit, than those attending day games, the researchers said. Those who attended Monday night football games were more than four times as likely to have a mid-range blood alcohol content as fans going to other games, according to the study.
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Thousands of Sports Fans Drunk After Football, Baseball Games, Study Finds - Bloomberg

Get rid of the alcohol. It's the most responsible thing stadium owners can do.

Get rid of the alcohol and improve security procedures such as this to handle jerks.
NFL's Eagles Tackle Drunken, Rowdy Fans - WSJ.com
 
rockin'robin said:
I personally know a few people that cannot drink alcohol....period!....And just like Kristina said, alcohol affects people in different ways.

I've even known someone who went to Church during services, staggered in....and yelled..."Help me! Alcohol has got me by the throat."....Would he have done that sober? NO......People have been known to do weird and crazy things when under the influence.....things they would never do when they were sober, and upon finding out what they did...were embarrassed.....even shocked.

I do believe alcohol was the culprit here!...Even women have gotten raped, children molested when the other person was drunk and under the influence....even fathers molesting/raping their children while they are drunk....it happened in my family, so that's a true fact.

I don't go to the games anymore, because of the drunks there...
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Alcohol is quite the insidious beverage. Mixing alcohol at a sports event attended by families and kids is not a good recipe.
 
TXgolfer said:
Many people believe that alcohol can have a negative effect on decision making. No doubt they made a choice to drink alcohol though.....I don't think anyone force fed them. :)
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It absolutely does have a negative effect on their decision making. Look at how many people have died (and gotten injured) in alcohol-related car crashes every year. You don't need a PhD to understand that too much alcohol can impair judgement and senses.

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