This is what happens

When we start building moats around the playing fields, we will be like the soccer hotbeds.
 
jillio said:
Like I said, this is one incident that shows that somewhere, some people are getting the idea that it is perfectly acceptable to hate another based on a superficial difference. That it is perfectly acceptable to believe that your way is so right that you can attack others having a different way. Just cruise a few of the websites devoted to hate and coming out of this country. Turning a blind eye only keeps it going. This, while extreme, is also an indication of the state of American society.
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Maybe you're spending too much time cruising hate websites. It seems to be having a deleterious effect on your perception of American society.
 
Reba said:
Maybe you're spending too much time cruising hate websites. It seems to be having a deleterious effect on your perception of American society.
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Whoa, well done! I had to look this word up. :P
 
Reba said:
Maybe you're spending too much time cruising hate websites. It seems to be having a deleterious effect on your perception of American society.
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If they weren't a part of American society, they would not be up on the net, now would they? Just because you choose to ignore them doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means that you choose to be naive about the hatred being spread throughout our society.
 
Bottesini said:
Obviously, the way it is being featured on television tonight as a very shocking and isolated incident should show that people don't feel that it is acceptable.
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Someone, somewhere got the message that it is acceptable. That is the problem. People are horrified after something like this happens. If they were checking the messages being implicity given, things like this could be prevented. We attempt to battle hatred with more hatred and it grows and grows and grows.
 
jillio said:
This is one recent incident. The incidence of hate based activities in the U.S. is astounding. I pointed to this one because I can think of no stupider reason to beat someone senseless than over their choice of which baseball team to support. I feel the same way about the hatred directed at people for all other superficial differences. We are quickly becoming a nation of fear and hatred. It is disheartening.
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Most likely, this is a crime of alcohol-infused stupidity. I really don't think this represents anything much deeper than that.
 
saywhatkid said:
Most likely, this is a crime of alcohol-infused stupidity. I really don't think this represents anything much deeper than that.
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Okay.

Keep telling yourself that. Unfortunately, even the extremes are a reflection of the society in which they live.
 
 
This is not a case of race or sexual orientation that fueled this; it is a case of drunken homerism. Why are you trying to sensationalize this? The only hate was some drunken idiot Dodger fans beating down Giants fans. It was brutal, stupid, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. But I fail to see the connection to the standard of hate crimes. If this qualifies, then it dilutes the entire purpose of the hate crime legislation. Has any assault not been a hate crime? Is there love between the combatants?
 
saywhatkid said:
And there are many more links out there. I still see this particular crime in a different light. I have been to MLB games, and alcohol is the biggest contributor to these kinds of things. But to connect this to Aryan Nation? KKK? :hmm:
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Alcohol does not create the hatred. It simply acts as a lubrication to let out what is already there. It is the disinhibiting effects of alcohol.

Yeah, a climate of hate is a climate of hate. It spreads and reaches the point where you can't control it any longer. You cannot predict who will be influenced and in what way simply by the climate of hate. That is why it is so destructive.
 
saywhatkid said:
This is not a case of race or sexual orientation that fueled this; it is a case of drunken homerism. Why are you trying to sensationalize this? The only hate was some drunken idiot Dodger fans beating down Giants fans. It was brutal, stupid, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. But I fail to see the connection to the standard of hate crimes. If this qualifies, then it dilutes the entire purpose of the hate crime legislation. Has any assault not been a hate crime? Is there love between the combatants?
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It is an attack that was perpetrated based on a superficial difference. A difference in choice of sports teams.

It was a vicious, unprovoked attack. Why are you minimizing it? I did not say it was a hate crime. I said it is a crime that is borne of hatred and intolerance and a belief that because you believe a particular way, you are justified in attacking someone who believes differently.

Yeah we can arrest and punish them. And it will happen again tomorrow. The problem is societal.
 
Reba said:
One incident out of millions of games played should indict an entire nation? What kind of wacky reasoning is that?
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This kind of violent is happening everywhere and not just at games . A gay guy was beaten so badly at a bar for looking at a guy who was not gay! The gay guy head was smashed on the sidewalk and he almost dies. This happen in my small city. A teenage boy was stabbed in a gang fight right down town in front
a group of tourists . The kid that did the stabbed was pissed off because he was not being taking serious at how tough he was!
 
Reba said:
It's a terrible tragedy, and those perps need to be severely punished.

I don't see how this is a reason that "other countries have a negative opinion" of Americans. When you consider how many sports games are played across the country every year, this kind of violence is rare.

Other countries around the world have soccer game related violence but that doesn't cause us to have negative opinions about their entire population.
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Reba said:
One incident out of millions of games played should indict an entire nation? What kind of wacky reasoning is that?
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I expect to hear this kind of farce every year whenever we have championship games or important games like Subway Series. There were hoodlum attacks and vandalisms toward Louisiana fans camping out at Virginia Tech parking lot. Their RVs were damaged. It was embarrassing and disappointing for us hokies.
 
Jiro said:
I expect to hear this kind of farce every year whenever we have championship games or important games like Subway Series. There were hoodlum attacks and vandalisms toward Louisiana fans camping out at Virginia Tech parking lot. Their RVs were damaged. It was embarrassing and disappointing for us hokies.
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Have you questioned why this continues to happen year after year?
 
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