This is what happens

Reba said:
Some people are fully capable of doing senseless violence without any help from "messages."


I didn't read anything in the linked story that said anyone wanted to "battle hatred with more hatred." There was no mention of anyone seeking revenge. The focus seemed to be more about the victim's recovery.
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All people are capable of senseless violence. That has nothing to do with the topic of hatred and the way it impacts society.

Look around you, Reba. Battling hatred with more hatred is exactly what is going on in this country.
 
jillio said:
All people are capable of senseless violence. That has nothing to do with the topic of hatred and the way it impacts society.

Look around you, Reba. Battling hatred with more hatred is exactly what is going on in this country.
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Even in the deaf community, where we should all get along a whole lot better.
 
Babyblue said:
Dodgers attorney cites Bryan Stow's blood alcohol level as issue - latimes.com



Bryan Stow Beating: Dodgers Say He's Liable In His Own Severe Attack
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Well of course that is going to be brought up at trial. Just like a woman who has been raped will have her blood alcohol levels brought up if she sues the stadium where it happened. That is nothing more than legal manuvering. The Dodger's lawyer is being paid big bucks in retainers to try and keep them from having to pay out millions in settlement dollars.
 
jillio said:
No, you took a detour through circular reasoning to get from Point A to Point B in this case.
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What solutions are you offering to combat this growing rage problem; counseling? I am puzzled. Pointing out a problem is just the start. I am just a tired old machinist. My people skills are nil. You are the behavior expert. What is the answer???
 
saywhatkid said:
What solutions are you offering to combat this growing rage problem; counseling? I am puzzled. Pointing out a problem is just the start. I am just a tired old machinist. My people skills are nil. You are the behavior expert. What is the answer???
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Gonna take more than counseling. It is a societal problem. The solution has to be society wide. We create these problems as a society. But change begins with one.
 
jillio said:
Gonna take more than counseling. It is a societal problem. The solution has to be society wide. We create these problems as a society. But change begins with one.
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Yes. That is why I exercise often, avoid stress, and steer clear of alcohol. I don't want to be part of the problem.
 
jillio said:
Well of course that is going to be brought up at trial. Just like a woman who has been raped will have her blood alcohol levels brought up if she sues the stadium where it happened. That is nothing more than legal manuvering. The Dodger's lawyer is being paid big bucks in retainers to try and keep them from having to pay out millions in settlement dollars.
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How about if a person is drunk and crashed his car into a guard rail. Can he sue the DOT? Since it is their road??


I believe Bryan Stow was shooting off his mouth. I believe the attackers and himself should be responsible. Not the stadium.

They need to take responsiblities for their own action and quit blaming the stadium for what happened.

A woman goes to the bar and goes with someone... and gets raped. Is she to sue the bar?? Or the man who raped her?
 
jillio said:
... Battling hatred with more hatred is exactly what is going on in this country.
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Is that what you're trying to do? Are you using more hatred to battle hatred?
 
jillio said:
Statistically, MADD has made no difference at all in alcohol consumption in this country. They are, once again, attempting to make a difference using the same ineffective methodology that has been used all along.
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MADD has never claimed to be a temperance organization. They don't care if people drink. They just don't want them to drink and drive.

What methodology do you think would be more effective in stopping people from driving alcohol impaired?
 
Daredevel7 said:
This made me cringe.... NOW you are okay with making assumptions based on eyewitnesses?

In many other cases, you adamantly took a neutral stance no matter how much circumstantial evidence there is.

Come on, man....

Personally, I think it was hateful a-holes fueled by alcohol. I wouldn't call it a hate crime though.
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Yeah I knew this was coming... In this case there were literally hundreds of witnesses. The local news even showed pictures fans had taken of the men drinking inside the stadium to help identify the guys. So I am pretty confident in the statement.
 
saywhatkid said:
Yes. That is why I exercise often, avoid stress, and steer clear of alcohol. I don't want to be part of the problem.
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I think you have a bit of a misunderstanding regarding the creation of and maintenance of the problem.
 
Reba said:
MADD has never claimed to be a temperance organization. They don't care if people drink. They just don't want them to drink and drive.

What methodology do you think would be more effective in stopping people from driving alcohol impaired?
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I think MADD was one of the things that increased anti-DUI awareness. They did not cause a reduction in drinking so much as made people aware that they should not drive.
 
saywhatkid said:
I think MADD was one of the things that increased anti-DUI awareness. They did not cause a reduction in drinking so much as made people aware that they should not drive.
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DUI laws have been in existence long before MADD ever became an idea. That tells people right there they should not drink and drive. It is illegal. It would not be illegal if if was something people should be doing.
 
jillio said:
I think you have a bit of a misunderstanding regarding the creation of and maintenance of the problem.
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It was a reflection on what I do for myself. Works for me. Keeps me at an even keel. My body demands activity.
 
Babyblue said:
How about if a person is drunk and crashed his car into a guard rail. Can he sue the DOT? Since it is their road??


I believe Bryan Stow was shooting off his mouth. I believe the attackers and himself should be responsible. Not the stadium.

They need to take responsiblities for their own action and quit blaming the stadium for what happened.

A woman goes to the bar and goes with someone... and gets raped. Is she to sue the bar?? Or the man who raped her?
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Now you are just being silly.

And women who have been raped inside a bar have most definately sued and won when security was lacking and directly contributed to the risk.

The civil courts will make the decision regarding the responsibility the stadium has to keep patrons safe.
 
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