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wondering if past 2 pages are any related to this thread....

I also pasted the exemptions as well. This is related to the topic (its been derailed):

Could the law be abused? Of course it could. Any law can be abused. There's a possibility of abuse with every single law we've ever passed. We act as if this law has some special quality about it that invites more abuse than some other law. That's ridiculous.

If peace officers, in enforcing this law, indulge in clear racial profiling, violate the Fourth Amendment or go beyond the law's intent or language – they should be disciplined, and if need be, prosecuted. But that's not the law being racist; it's someone carrying out the law being racist by abusing it.

Read more: Viewpoints: Arizona's immigrant law isn't racist - Sacramento Opinion - Sacramento Editorial | Sacramento Bee


I am able to grasp that distinction as well.
 
I also pasted the exemptions as well. This is related to the topic (its been derailed):

Read more: Viewpoints: Arizona's immigrant law isn't racist - Sacramento Opinion - Sacramento Editorial | Sacramento Bee
wondering why you're still on "racist" part...

I am able to grasp that distinction as well.
based on what happened recently in this thread and other thread... feels bad, man. it was unsightly painful but you did it to yourself.
 
wondering why you're still on "racist" part...


based on what happened recently in this thread and other thread... feels bad, man. it was unsightly painful but you did it to yourself.

Are you implying something?
 
being a smart-ass, I see.

If I were to look up for country's official language.... which is officially declared by government...

the official language in France is French.
the official language in Russia is Russian.
the official language in China is Mandarin.
the official language in USA is....... ?
the official language in Hawaii is......?

You do know I specifically said "De Facto" right?

go ahead and re-read the unedited post.

Now, for someone who originally implied AZ law was racist, then back pedaled and called it unconstitutional, you are now claiming I said that English was the "official" language of the U.S.

I said it was the de facto language.
 
You do know I specifically said "De Facto" right?

go ahead and re-read the unedited post.

Now, for someone who originally implied AZ law was racist, then back pedaled and called it unconstitutional, you are now claiming I said that English was the "official" language of the U.S.
ORIGINALLY implied AZ law is racist and back-pedaled? where? the very basis of my concern with this law is the constitutionality of this law. If you actually read further - you'll see that I have never back-pedaled. You'll see that I have consistently questioned its legality.

I said it was the de facto language.
um.... that's now what you did there. Let me give you play-by-play.

1. beginning at post #12 - this is where you went on incredible tirade out of nothing - like "LEARN ENGLISH, A-HOLE!" when Barbaro said that there is no federal law that requires everyone to speak English.
2. Post #18 and so... your tirade continued...
3. Post #31 where you completely misunderstood and continued on your tirade where we all have tried to correct your misunderstanding
4. You went silence for a while when darkdog and I asked you if there is a federal law on English
5. after a long period of absence - you came back to throw a curveball in attempt to redirect the attention away from your incompetence
6. I wrote this post

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Okay, you keep screaming it's "not racist! Not racist!"

Mmm... right.

Everything always look perfect on paper. However when applied in the real world without check and balance, it seldom ever is.

So... where's the check and balance on this one?
 
Gee, Steinhauer, where did you earn *your* J.D.?

In my local school district, all children who speak a language other than English at home go to school at 4 YO. We have many different languages spoken here. Several Korean families are my neighbors and I manage to communicate with the moms who speak a little English. The kids who speak foreign languages can test for credit at the high school level so they are really ahead in that respect.
 
You and darkdog are absolutely correct. America does not have an official language. Likewise, it is naive to say that English is the De Facto official language. Which version of English? American English or British English?
In case you haven't noticed, it's American English.
 
Not seething at all. Just don't want a newcomer to mistakenly believe that you actually have friends.
How considerate of you.

And using one sentence in German and Spanish does not qualify you as trilingual. You are a unilingual that can remember one sentence in a couple of languages.
On what authority do you judge a fellow ADer's fluency?
 
...Perhaps if you had passed kindergarten, you would have that knowledge at your disposal.

Ad hominem attacks.
Yep. You did it again.
 
Just FYI:

Article published Apr 30, 2006
Educators try to stay out of immigration debate
JESSICA L De VAULT, Staff Writer
It's never made sense to state Sen. Dick Elliot, D-Myrtle Beach, that state schools must educate the
children of illegal immigrants.
Elliot co-sponsored a recent state Senate resolution asking the governor to block illegal immigrants
from access to state social services.
"I have grave reservations about them taking space in our classrooms," Elliot said. "If they come in a
school system, obviously it's going to impact the cost of the educational system. It's going to take
more teachers. We're going to have to build more school buildings.
"It's going to impact our schools."
In 1982, the Supreme Court ruled in Plyler v. Doe that all children -- including those of illegal
immigrants -- have the right to a free education.
That ruling was integrated into the admission guidelines for public schools.
Ask any educator at Arcadia Elementary School about whether it should question students about their
legal standing, and the answer will remain the same:
"We're not into politics."
That's sure to be what principal Chuck Bagwell will say. At his school, 50 percent of the 270
elementary students are Hispanic, many of which are immigrants.
But Bagwell wouldn't ask if they were legal residents, even if the law allowed it.
"Our job is simply education," Bagwell said. "Immigration is a legislative issue or a political issue.
We educate any child that lives in this attendance area.
"We don't ask."


The Ruling
After the Plyler v. Doe ruling, a "don't ask, don't tell" policy came into play, forever changing how
state school systems discern who enters a school and who doesn't.

The case presented to the Supreme Court held a Texas education law under scrutiny.
There were revisions in that state's education laws in 1975 that allowed Texas to withhold state
funding for students who weren't legal residents of the U.S.
The court found this to be a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
Danielle R. Holly-Walker, an assistant professor of law, researches education law and policy at the
University of South Carolina Law School in Columbia. She said Plyler v. Doe confirmed that every
U.S. resident, including illegal immigrants, had certain rights.
"Basically it says that no state shall deprive any person of constitutional rights," Holly-Walker said.
"Texas tried to argue that when it (the Constitution) said 'persons,' its not meant to include
undocumented aliens.
"The Supreme Court rejected that. An alien or whoever is legally here is still a person, and they're
still given constitutional rights."
Once that education law was struck down, the U.S. Department of Education applied the ruling in its
departmental guidelines, prohibiting student screenings for immigration papers, contact with the
Immigration and Naturalization Service or requiring proof of legal residency for school admission.
Meanwhile, non-English speaking students in public schools increased dramatically.
In 2001-2002 there were about 6,100 non-English speaking students in South Carolina schools.
Today more than 12,000 students speak 57 different languages other than English, according to Jim
Foster, a spokesperson at the state Department of Education.

Catherine Neff, an overseer of programs for English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) at the
state Department of Education, said that just because a student is unable to speak fluent English, that
doesn't imply the child is an illegal resident.
Many children of illegal parents were born in America, making them legal citizens. The child's native
language may be the dominant form of communication in the home, so that child may have to learn
English in an ESOL program.

Regardless of the child's legal standing or English proficiency, the premise of the ruling was that all
children deserve an education, Neff said.
"The kids are not making that decision to be illegal," Neff said. "It's good for the community that all
of the kids are in school.
"That makes sense to me for sure."

Rules and Enforcement
State schools are no longer able to ask for proof of U.S. residency from parents enrolling their
children in school.
Requesting a copy of the parent's green card or visa is also prohibited.
U.S. Representative Bob Inglis, R-S.C., said that it's not the school's responsibility to screen
residency status.

"We already ask too much of the schools," Inglis said. "We don't need to add another task to their
already complicated tasks."
Showing proof of residency could be as simple as providing a social security number, visa or birth
certificate, but Inglis said that those things are too simple to fake.
"It's very easy to get a fraudulent green card," Inglis said. "Producing a fraudulent birth certificate
could be just as easy."
Dr. Elaine Lacy, the director of research at the USC Consortium for Latino Immigrant Studies, said
falsifying documents is growing more common, but allowing illegal immigrants to enroll in public
schools was a wise decision.
"What you're doing is investing in the future," Lacy said. "We need to stop and recognize that we're
taking advantage of that population (of Hispanics). We expect them to be productive for a minimum
wage, yet we want to deny them (an) education."
Inglis said the school districts shouldn't be expected to play the role of an immigration agency.
"Immigration control and enforcement is the responsibility of the federal government," Inglis said via
e-mail. "We shouldn't ask the schools to do what we're failing to do."
Jessica L. De Vault can be reached at 562-7216 or Jessica.devault@shj.com.
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http://inglis.house.gov/sections/news/pdf_news_coverage/SHJ_04_30_06.pdf
 
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