Texas Immigration Rally

[Steinhauer]

Immigrants are more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators. They are vulnerable because they must deal in cash and are afraid to contact police.

Consider that these people are your neighbors. They work in your fast bakeries, food joints, lawn services, etc. Why harass the little guy? If politicians really wanted to end illegal unemployment, they would punish the employers. Many (most?) politicians don't want to end illegal unemployment because business wants it. The whole debacle is just a show. Bread and circuses.

actually, my family's business was run out of business due to illegals stealing jobs for low pay.

those illegals working at these places, are stealing jobs from legit Americans. Most use fake SS numbers and names.

 

[Reba]

I laugh with utter contempt and disdain at people like you. I am old enough to remember walking into walmart when EVERYTHING was written in English.

It wasn't until illegals became a problem in this country when they started demanding "their" rights. Liberals helped them right along (you should review aiding and abetting laws).

Here is a valid point for you. If you decide to move to another country, learn their language.

Otherwise, shut up, illegally enter China and demand they speak english.

Did you know it is required to learn English under current immigration laws?

Other than that ...... good on your mom for reporting those illegals.

Why are you on Barbaro's case? She's just stating the facts.

BTW, Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, Goodwill, etc., didn't change their store signage to Spanish and bilingual due to any laws. All those small businesses you see with signs out front that say they have bilingual employees weren't forced to hire them. They did it because it was smart marketing. They want a broad customer base.

 

[Barbaro]

I can assure you, that it is NOT me that has misunderstood.

Here is a quiz for you, its multiple choice and true or false and very simple:

It is required by law for U.S. school aged children to receive an education:

1. True
2. False

In U.S. regulated schools, the NATIVE language that is taught is

a) Swahili
b) Arabic
c) Hindu
d) English

If an immigrant wants to learn to get along with Americans they will

a) demand Americans speak their language if other than English
b) Learn English

In U.S. Courts, the language used to correspond is

a) Swahili
b) Arabic
c) Hindu
d) none of the above

Try again.....

 

[Reba]

Makes me wonder how the house passed inspection when they applied for (if they did) day care status.....maybe it passed muster in the beginning....
But I guess that would be another story.

It might have been the timing. Maybe it was a daycare first, and then the lab moved in. I don't know if they follow up with periodic inspections.

 

[Steinhauer]

Why are you on Barbaro's case? She's just stating the facts.

BTW, Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, Goodwill, etc., didn't change their store signage to Spanish and bilingual due to any laws. All those small businesses you see with signs out front that say they have bilingual employees weren't forced to hire them. They did it because it was smart marketing. They want a broad customer base.

Because English is the de facto language of the U.S. And walmart changed its signs due to pressure from the Hispanic communities, not "smart marketing" as you have stated.

I remember there being lawsuits involved.

 

[Barbaro]

Wow, that was a scary neighborhood situation. It's a good thing they closed down that house before the kids in the day care were hurt or damaged.

Makes me wonder how the house passed inspection when they applied for (if they did) day care status.....maybe it passed muster in the beginning....
But I guess that would be another story.

According to my dad, Some family members took over daycare business for a while then closed it down.

 

[Jiro]

Why are you on Barbaro's case? She's just stating the facts.

BTW, Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, Goodwill, etc., didn't change their store signage to Spanish and bilingual due to any laws. All those small businesses you see with signs out front that say they have bilingual employees weren't forced to hire them. They did it because it was smart marketing. They want a broad customer base.

exactly. old classic business strategy. in here - we have a business that sells Korean-version of NY Times newspaper for this area only. I'm pretty sure it's not available in your area

 

[sallylou]

There were no lawsuits. You cannot sue a corporate for civil rights--only the government. That's remedial Constitutional law.

A hallmark of toxic leadership is scapegoating. Think of 1930's Germany. Papers?

 

[Reba]

I can assure you, that it is NOT me that has misunderstood.

Here is a quiz for you, its multiple choice and true or false and very simple:

It is required by law for U.S. school aged children to receive an education:

1. True
2. False

Sad to say, that is false. It is the law that they attend school up to a certain age. It is NOT required that they receive an education.

In U.S. regulated schools, the NATIVE language that is taught is

a) Swahili
b) Arabic
c) Hindu
d) English

I assume you mean public government hearing schools. I have read that some charter schools aren't English only.

If an immigrant wants to learn to get along with Americans they will

a) demand Americans speak their language if other than English
b) Learn English

In U.S. Courts, the language used to correspond is

a) Swahili
b) Arabic
c) Hindu
d) none of the above

You might be interested to know that public hospitals offer free Spanish interpreting services to patients and their families by staff interpreters. Who pays for the service?

 

[Jiro]

I can assure you, that it is NOT me that has misunderstood.

yes you did. big time......

In U.S. regulated schools, the NATIVE language that is taught is

never heard of "U.S. regulated" schools. Do you mean "federally-funded" school? or state-funded school? There are private schools... and home schooling... not primarily taught in English.

If an immigrant wants to learn to get along with Americans they will

a) demand Americans speak their language if other than English
b) Learn English

many many many take free English courses offered by wherever they live.

In U.S. Courts, the language used to correspond is

Court is required to provide translator. and ASL interpreter too.

 

[Steinhauer]

Here you go - a recent lawsuit:

Suit Says NJ Wal-Mart Had Unwritten 'No Spanish' Policy

Now, if you want to run a business, you must buy C3PO to interpret every language available to mankind and using your native language "English" to conduct your business, is racist.

 

[Jiro]

Here you go - a recent lawsuit:

Suit Says NJ Wal-Mart Had Unwritten 'No Spanish' Policy

um.... that's very different from this situation. What we're talking about is providing translation service - not required by law. What you just showed us is.... an xenophobic discrimination and workforce harassment.

The suit alleges that, although the store “did not have a written policy prohibiting or restricting its employees from speaking Spanish in the workplace,” management “continually admonished, ordered or otherwise harassed [the plaintiffs] from speaking Spanish in the workplace.” According to the complaint, the plaintiffs complained to management, but nothing was done to address the situation.

Have you ever worked for corporation or related? I was required to read the material on this same thing and sign it.

 

[sallylou]

That's an employment law case for wrongful termination. A completely different area of the law. The basic idea is that an employer cannot make up an excuse to fire someone. Are you in favor of arbitrary and capricious employee termination? If so, support the employer in this case.

Can anyone creditably assert that Wal-Mart is a fair employer? If so, that person is not familiar with all of the corporations labor violations, including locking employees in the stores overnight and forcing employees to work off the clock.

 

[Foxrac]

yes you did. big time......


never heard of "U.S. regulated" schools. Do you mean "federally-funded" school? or state-funded school? There are private schools... and home schooling... not primarily taught in English.


many many many take free English courses offered by wherever they live.


Court is required to provide translator. and ASL interpreter too.

My interpreter told me that court requires two different interpreters at same time, both in ASL but one is deaf and one is hearing, is it true?

 

[Reba]

Here you go - a recent lawsuit:

Suit Says NJ Wal-Mart Had Unwritten 'No Spanish' Policy

Now, if you want to run a business, you must buy C3PO to interpret every language available to mankind and using your native language "English" to conduct your business, is racist.

That's an employee vs. employer case. That's not the same as customer service situation.

Most "English-only" rules in companies are established to maintain inclusion amongst the work force. Bosses don't want employees huddling around in separate language cliques that exclude others.

Since the employees could speak English, there was no need for them not to.

 

[Reba]

My interpreter told me that court requires two different interpreters at same time, both in ASL but one is deaf and one is hearing, is it true?

Depends on the language needs of the deaf consumer.

 

[Steinhauer]

um.... that's very different from this situation. What we're talking about is providing translation service - not required by law. What you just showed us is.... an xenophobic discrimination and workforce harassment.



Have you ever worked for corporation or related? I was required to read the material on this same thing and sign it.

It is NOT Xenophobic. You watch ... when any company refuses to write a non-native language policy, it will be viewed as discrimination and racist.

The subtle difference between an ASL interpreter and a Spanish interpreter is this - speaking Spanish is NOT the result of a disability.

 

[Jiro]

It is NOT Xenophobic. You watch ... when any company refuses to write a non-native language policy, it will be viewed as discrimination and racist.

uh.... explain this post then -

The suit alleges that, although the store “did not have a written policy prohibiting or restricting its employees from speaking Spanish in the workplace,” management “continually admonished, ordered or otherwise harassed [the plaintiffs] from speaking Spanish in the workplace.” According to the complaint, the plaintiffs complained to management, but nothing was done to address the situation.

 

[Steinhauer]

I will let Thomas Jefferson explain it (in detail):


"[Is] rapid population [growth] by as great importations of foreigners as possible... founded in good policy?... They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their number, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass... If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship: but I doubt the expediency of inviting them by extraordinary encouragements." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.VIII, 1782. ME 2:118

If you will kindly notice - he wrote that in English.

You might also want to investigate why Tom Hanks would not allow foreign subtitles on "Saving Private Ryan".

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

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um.... that's very different from this situation. What we're talking about is providing translation service - not required by law. What you just showed us is.... an xenophobic discrimination and workforce harassment.



Have you ever worked for corporation or related? I was required to read the material on this same thing and sign it.

It is NOT Xenophobic. You watch ... when any company refuses to write a non-native language policy, it will be viewed as discrimination and racist.

The subtle difference between an ASL interpreter and a Spanish interpreter is this - speaking Spanish is NOT the result of a disability.

Be careful there when you explain why ASL is valid.

A politican used the "deafness is not a disability" motto used by the community as an excuse to kick deafies off of welfare. And guess what? Boom.