Terri Schiavo's former husband Michael married again

Cheri said:
Whatever, He was only married to her for six years, compare to Terri's family that know her all her life. I'm sure her parents know what Terri wants better than Michael would know. :thumb:

Just my two cents!
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How do you know that her parents know Terri more than her own husband?

Do you tell your parents everything the same as you tell your partner? A lot of parents didn't know their children but their partners. It's normal that married couples know each other more than their parents knows.
 
^Angel^ said:
When Terri collapsed on February 25, 1990, in the hallway of their home..... Michael never brought up anything about Terri's wishes to die until 8 years later after winning the lawsuit against the obstetrician who had been overseeing Theresa's fertility therapy when he made a promise to the judge that he will use the money to help Terri and to love and stay with her forever.....Not once he brought up Terri's wishes to die during the lawsuit until Michael petitioned the court to have her feeding tube removed stating that he believed he was carrying out Terri's wishes.....


It doesn't make sense why after all those years Michael not once said this is what Terri wishes were to die, until 8 years later?....

It proves to me Michael is a liar and I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth
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8 years later? I think it's 3 years.

It's only suggestion of me.

I beleive Michael spend a lot of money to improve her heath and ignore his wife's wishes and hope it works until he accept the fact that it will never chance for her to be normal forever then let her go...
 
Michael Schiavo is accused, for instance, of gold-digging for the slim remainder ($40,000) of settlement money left from Terry's suit against the hospital partially responsible for her condition. He turned down $10 million to drop the case, so that doesn't fly. He has gone through all kinds of suffering in order to act in his wife's best interests, including slander and even death threats. He is acting in Terry's best interests, and every judge has ruled such.
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He is also accused of being a spousal abuser. There is no foundation for these claims. In fact, he underwent nurse training in order to take care of her, and made countless sacrifices, as pointed out in a report commissioned by Jeb Bush.
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http://www.netalive.org/topics/34641


:)
 
Autumn Tree said:
You're welcome! :)


To Oceanbreeze:

Even though it was the law, Michael should still have gotten a written document after all, seeing as what happened when there's no Living Will nearby to prove Terri's wishes. The way Michael behaved was just too fishy. If Terri has had an actual Living Will to show this was what she wanted, then it would make a big difference and we would probably have respect to her wishes, I guess. :|
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I admit it would have been better for him to have a written statement. Anything looks better in writing, but he didn't. Back when she collapsed, there was no such thing as a "living will". After she collapsed, of course, a living will couldn't be drawn up, so therein lies the rub. However, back in the day, most states (not just FL), accepted verbal statements in matters of the law as it was applied to end of life matters.
 
What verbal statements?? Michael didn't say anything about Terri's wishes until years later, so that proves to me there wasn't any verbal statment.... :squint:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
I beleive Michael spend a lot of money to improve her heath and ignore his wife's wishes and hope it works until he accept the fact that it will never chance for her to be normal forever then let her go...
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Did you read the other page? I posted a link that Michael hasn't paid a penny on Terri. :whistle:
 
Liebling, you are missing the point of what we are trying to say in here. What we are saying is that we do not agree with Michael letting Terri to starve to death. That was cruel and cold hearted of him to do that. I would never do that to my own child or anyone else. Also Michael has been a liar with changing versions of his stories about Terri's wishes to die.

You said in one of your posts that God has stopped doing things for us after Jesus died. Let me correct you. God has NOT stopped doing things for us. He is still there for us even we cannot see oe hear him. That is what prayers are for. He works in mysterious ways.

You also said Terri's parents played with Terri. Played with her??? No, they did not. They gave her LOTS LOTS LOTS of love which any good parents would do to their children.

Michael wanted Terri to die so he could be a free man to remarry and get what he wanted. Why didn't he divorce Terri?? That is why Terri's parents encouraged him to let her go but he didn't! He wanted her to die instead of divorcing her!!
 
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A few news did say 3 years, but many other news placed it between 7 or 8 years since Terri collapsed .....


From Augusta Free Press:

Her husband, Michael, insists she told him and two of his relatives that she would not want to be kept alive by artificial means, a revelation that he suddenly remembered eight years after Terri's collapse. Terri's parents say that because of her Christian faith she would never say such a thing. A close friend of Terri testifies that she told her it was wrong for the courts to allow the comatose Karen Ann Quinlan's life support to be taken away. Did Terri express a desire to not have a feeding tube if necessary?

Reasonable doubt.
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And from Courier Journal Online:
• It was seven years after her brain damage that her husband, Michael, suddenly remembered a conversation wherein Terri confided that she would not wish to live in an artificially sustained manner.
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(Source --> "Merchants of Death Let Ideology Rule", March 30, 2005 )


And it was after Michael won medical malpractice lawsuit, that is....
 
Liebling:-))) said:
8 years later? I think it's 3 years.

It's only suggestion of me.
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The Schindlers question why Michael Schiavo only belatedly recalled his wife's "casual statements" allegedly refusing life support. Specifically, they point out he changed his story after winning more than $1.5 million dollars in a medical-malpractice lawsuit against Terri's physicians who, Schiavo successfully argued, should have treated her potassium imbalance before it resulted in cardiac arrest. As WND reported, Michael Schiavo filed a petition in May 1998 to disconnect his wife's feeding tube reportedly to carry out her wishes.

During the malpractice-suit trial nearly six years earlier in November 1992, Michael Schiavo made no mention of his wife's alleged wish to die and conversely pleaded for the opportunity to personally take care of his wife at home for the rest of his life. He sought $20 million to cover the cost of her future medical and neurological care, estimating her life expectancy was 50 years.
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I don't believe a second that there was EVER a verbal agreement between Terri and her husband Michael.....

And here's another fact, when Michael dated this woman whom he has two children with, why didn't he say back then about Terri wishes were to die? why did he waited until after winning the lawsuit to say this? and he didn't even tell the judge that either as he promise the judge before awarding that money he will take care of Terri FOREVER!!!....It's doesn't add up and beside I think Michael is covering up his own lies....
 
ButterflyGirl said:
Liebling, you are missing the point of what we are trying to say in here. What we are saying is that we do not agree with Michael letting Terri to starve to death. That was cruel and cold hearted of him to do that. I would never do that to my own child or anyone else.

You said in one of your posts that God has stopped doing things for us after Jesus died. Let me correct you. God has NOT stopped doing things for us. He is still there for us even we cannot see oe hear him. That is what prayers are for. He works in mysterious ways.

You also said Terri's parents played with Terri. Played with her??? No, they did not. They gave her LOTS LOTS LOTS of love which any good parents would do to their children.

Michael wanted Terri to die so he could be a free man to remarry and get what he wanted. Why didn't he divorce Terri?? That is why Terri's parents encouraged him to let her go but he didn't! He wanted her to die instead of divorcing her!!
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I guess they don't see the real picture what it like to slowly starve someone to death for days without FOOD and WATER.....

I'll believe in my own eyes if they allow that to happen to any of their children...

Maybe Terri is just a stranger to many of them and they don't see it as a cruel punishment....
 
^Angel^ said:
I guess they don't see the real picture what it like to slowly starve someone to death for days without FOOD and WATER.....

I'll believe in my own eyes if they allow that to happen to any of their children...

Maybe Terri is just a stranger to many of them and they don't see it as a cruel punishment....
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I would allow it, if it was my child's wish. Terminally ill people usually refuse food towards the end, anyway. Their bodies start shutting down, and the food actually makes them ill. People in Terri's position don't know what is happening to them, so there is no suffering. What makes this so hard for people is not because of the "suffering" they think the patient endures. Its actually much harder on the people left behind, because they think the person is in pain, but they are not. I would hardly call it punishment.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I admit it would have been better for him to have a written statement. Anything looks better in writing, but he didn't. Back when she collapsed, there was no such thing as a "living will". After she collapsed, of course, a living will couldn't be drawn up, so therein lies the rub. However, back in the day, most states (not just FL), accepted verbal statements in matters of the law as it was applied to end of life matters.
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*Nods* And since Terri's death the states are updating their laws...most of them anyway, I think, to protect the rights of other bed-ridden and the disabled people. And it is unfortunate it has to be done at the expense of Terri Schiavo. :/
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I would allow it, if it was my child's wish. Terminally ill people usually refuse food towards the end, anyway. Their bodies start shutting down, and the food actually makes them ill. People in Terri's position don't know what is happening to them, so there is no suffering. What makes this so hard for people is not because of the "suffering" they think the patient endures. Its actually much harder on the people left behind, because they think the person is in pain, but they are not. I would hardly call it punishment.
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Just because Terri has a brain damage doesn't mean she will not feel the pain.....How do anyone know the fact that they won't when they are not in their position to know exactly what they may be feeling?....

For myself I see it as a most cruel punishment than pulling the plug from any life support machine...

Remember Terri wasn't Terminally ill , she was in a vegetable stated!!
 
^Angel^ said:
Just because Terri has a brain damage doesn't mean she will not feel the pain.....How do anyone know the fact that they won't when they are not in their position to know exactly what they may be feeling?....

For myself I see it as a most cruel punishment than pulling the plug from any life support machine...
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I asked a hospice nurse who takes care of terminally ill people. They don't feel it. As the body shuts down, they end up comatose and unable to feel pain. Usually, pain meds are given to ease suffering, but that is usually for the benefit of the loved ones surrounding the dying patient. This is not something that is easy to watch, but that does NOT mean that the person going through the dying process feels it. They don't.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I would allow it, if it was my child's wish. Terminally ill people usually refuse food towards the end, anyway. Their bodies start shutting down, and the food actually makes them ill. People in Terri's position don't know what is happening to them, so there is no suffering. What makes this so hard for people is not because of the "suffering" they think the patient endures. Its actually much harder on the people left behind, because they think the person is in pain, but they are not. I would hardly call it punishment.
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You're right, Terminally ill people who are too sick to eat indeed do reject food and are actually dying on their own. They are indeed beyond suffering. That I can understand. However, Terri wasn't terminally ill, and I think that even brain-damaged person can feel the effects of starvation. And just because doctors says the brain-damaged people are not suffering doesn't make it an okay to starve them to death. That's why in Terri's case it was so hard for us to watch her die knowing she could live another 10 to 15 years (according to the doctor) but instead her life was cut short all too soon. :/
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I asked a hospice nurse who takes care of terminally ill people. They don't feel it. As the body shuts down, they end up comatose and unable to feel pain. Usually, pain meds are given to ease suffering, but that is usually for the benefit of the loved ones surrounding the dying patient. This is not something that is easy to watch, but that does NOT mean that the person going through the dying process feels it. They don't.
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I'm sorry but I don't buy that, second Terri didn't have any pain meds so she would have feel the suffering without any food or water for days.....

I believe with all my heart that Terri suffer from lack of food and water for days.....


Once again Terri wasn't terminally ill, and of course most patient who are terminally ill wouldn't eat much but not drinking anything? I don't buy that either....


My grandfather was terminally ill he had cancer, and he couldn't bear eat much but he drinks a whole lot, so most terminally illness would drink alot of water than eating, but in Terri's case she wasn't allow to have anything to drink not even a sip of water....and you telling me its not a cruel punishment?....
 
^Angel^ said:
I'm sorry but I don't buy that, second Terri didn't have any pain meds so she would have feel the suffering without any food or water for days.....

I believe with all my heart that Terri suffer from lack of food and water for days.....


Once again Terri wasn't terminally ill, and of course most patient who are terminally ill wouldn't eat much but not drinking anything? I don't buy that either....
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We don't have to agree. I'm just pointing out some facts. Of course, this all goes back to beliefs. I don't think we will ever agree on this, and that is fine. I can accept that. I believe she did not suffer, and you believe she did. We're at an impasse. We can go on for days, but it won't change the outcome. Terri's gone on to a better place, and I think the best we can do now, is agree that she is better off.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
We don't have to agree. I'm just pointing out some facts. Of course, this all goes back to beliefs. I don't think we will ever agree on this, and that is fine. I can accept that. I believe she did not suffer, and you believe she did. We're at an impasse. We can go on for days, but it won't change the outcome. Terri's gone on to a better place, and I think the best we can do now, is agree that she is better off.
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Yes I can agree with Terri being in a better place now but I can't agree with what Michael did to her.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
We don't have to agree. I'm just pointing out some facts. Of course, this all goes back to beliefs. I don't think we will ever agree on this, and that is fine. I can accept that. I believe she did not suffer, and you believe she did. We're at an impasse. We can go on for days, but it won't change the outcome. Terri's gone on to a better place, and I think the best we can do now, is agree that she is better off.
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You're right, we both can't agree with this issue, since you see it that way and I see it the other way around....I won't say no more cause I don't want to agrue or anything and I'm not trying to make you agree where I'm coming from....

I think I said enough already anyhow, and there's nothing much I can do about it since Terri's gone, so I have to move on but I'm praying that I don't see another case like this without someone actually having a living will cause it makes it hard to deal with it when it has to be up to the person to make the choice whether they want to lie or die....

I still believe it has to be God's will to allow the person to die, if they're still able to breathe on their own without the use of any life support machines...

I personally think alot of us learn a great deal out of this case, more of us are thinking of having a living will, so it won't happen to one of us.....I'm sorry to see that Terri didn't have her say on this, and now she is in a better place where she won't have to suffer no more....

But I will be bluntly honest I have no sympathy for Michael at all, and I still see him as a cold blood murder in my own eyes.....

I'm sorry.... :( now I'm done..... :wave:
 
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