Ted Kennedy dead at 77

[whatdidyousay!]

Ronald Reagan, you mean the guy who declared ketchup a vegetable?

It meant a lot to my family tha t my father had Air Force ceremony at my his grave site. He was a WWII veteran. Fortunately, he and all of his brothers came back uninjured. Well, physically anyway. None of the ever revealed emotional damage until they were near death. It validated his service.

It really was nothing funny about Ronald Reagan declaring ketchup a vegetable! By doing this the kids no longer got fresh vegetables in their schools lunches! RR was trying to save money by taking food away from low income children! I could never understand how any one could had liked the guy! The guy could had care less about the the poors!

 

[Reba]

Not off hand, but I do remember a thread about it some time ago. Seems good ole GW cheated his way through the academy. You are welcome to resurrect the thread if you wish.

YOU made the accusation so YOU should provide the proof to support YOUR statement.

 

[kokonut]

Seriously, you guys are so behind on the ketchup thing it isn't even correct! Reagan never said anything about ketchup being a vegetable.
The Straight Dope: Did the Reagan-era USDA really classify ketchup as a vegetable?

How about when the Clinton administration proposed counting salsa as a vegetable which is still a tomato-based ingredient?
'Let 'em eat salsa' 071798 - The Augusta Chronicle

 

[kokonut]

YOU made the accusation so YOU should provide the proof to support YOUR statement.

I agree. A bob and weave does not make a suitable answer.

 

[sallylou]

The pertinent part reads:

Mid-level Reaganauts at the USDA saw all this as a matter of giving the states more latitude; wiser heads might have realized that the rest of the world would see it as taking food away from children.

That they even considered it is laughable.

 

[kokonut]

The pertinent part reads:

That they even considered it is laughable.

And conviently ignored this section:

The USDA convened a panel of nutritionists and food service directors to ponder what to do. One option on the table--no one later would admit to putting it there--was to "accept catsup as a fruit/vegetable when used as an ingredient." Some panel members seized on this as an opportunity to discuss whether to count ketchup even if used as a condiment. From what I can tell, the motive wasn't so much penuriousness as trying to face facts about what kids would actually eat. USDA standards at the time required that a reimbursable lunch consist of five items: meat, milk, bread, and two servings of fruit or vegetables. Many kids refused to eat the veggies and the stuff wound up as "plate waste." Would-be realists on the panel reasoned that if they could count ketchup as a vegetable they could meet federal standards without having to throw away so many lima beans, thereby saving money while having no impact on the kids. Looked at in a certain light, it made sense. Ketchup wasn't the only newly permissible substitute: pickle relish and conceivably other condiments could also count as vegetables (precise interpretation was left to state officials); protein sources like tofu or cottage cheese could replace meat; and corn chips, pretzels, and other snacks could replace bread. Minimum portion sizes were also reduced, purportedly another effort to reduce waste.

The effort was to try and reduce food waste and not so much about reducing nutrition which wasn't the goal.

 

[Buffalo]

Whatever happened to the "Don't speak ill of the dead"????

 

[shel90]

Whatever happened to the "Don't speak ill of the dead"????

No kidding..first, it was with Micheal Jackson and now Ted Kennedy. Oh boy.

 

[sallylou]

I agree--dump the lima beans! They can replace them with green peas, carrots or some other veggie that kids find more agreeable. Not ketchup which is a condiment.

 

[deafskeptic]

I agree--dump the lima beans! They can replace them with green peas, carrots or some other veggie that kids find more agreeable. Not ketchup which is a condiment.

Just don't replace it with broccoli! I HATE broccoli.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That'd be Mary Jo Kopechne.

Accomplished is a matter of perspective. Certainly it wouldn't be in Kopechne's interest to send praises towards him seeing how she left claw marks on the floorboard of the overturned car in the waters. No, not about his political party but about how the Kennedy pulled big strings to help Kennedy get away scott free. He even like to joke about Chappaquiddick. He's basically a guy who pretty much got away with a lot of things in life. He lived longer than Mary Jo by some 50 years. Go ahead. Adore him. Adulate him.


Here's the full audio. The bite occurs at 30:15.
The Diane Rehm Show

I find interesting that you don´t bother to remember about Cheney Shooting Jokes since Cheney shot a 78 years old man in the face?

 

[Jiro]

I find interesting that you don´t bother to remember about Cheney Shooting Jokes since Cheney shot a 78 years old man in the face?

major difference - what happened with Cheney and Whittington was an accident. What happened with Kennedy and Chappaquiddick was criminal.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

major difference - what happened with Cheney and Whittington was an accident. What happened with Kennedy and Chappaquiddick was criminal.

Both Cheney and Kennedy drank alochol.

Both Chency and Kennedy waited for hours before report to Police.


major difference?

 

[Jiro]

Both Cheney and Kennedy drank alochol.

Both Chency and Kennedy waited for hours before report to Police.


major difference?

again - what Cheney did wasn't criminal. What Kennedy did was criminal. Cheney did not kill anybody. Kennedy killed a woman.

yep. major difference.

 

[jillio]

again - what Cheney did wasn't criminal. What Kennedy did was criminal. Cheney did not kill anybody. Kennedy killed a woman.

yep. major difference.

Not according to the legal system. It was deemed an accident, just as Cheney's shooting incident was deemed an accident.

 

[Jiro]

Not according to the legal system. It was deemed an accident, just as Cheney's shooting incident was deemed an accident.

he pleaded guilty to leaving scene of accident. he did not report it to authority. That is illegal. Because of that - a poor woman died.... horribly. The blood was on his hands.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

again - what Cheney did wasn't criminal.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/13/cheney-was-hunting-illegally/

Is it not criminal?

What Kennedy did was criminal.

Yes, he did was criminal is violated DUI law.

Cheney did not kill anybody.

Whittington is very lucky to be survived after shot in his face by Cheney.

Kennedy killed a woman.

Are you saying that Kennedy did it purposely?

yep. major difference.

Not really.

 

[Jiro]

Think Progress Cheney Was Hunting Illegally When Accident Occurred

Is it not criminal?

Yes, he did was criminal is violated DUI law.

Whittington is very lucky to be survived after shot in his face by Cheney.

Are you saying that Kennedy did it purposely?

Not really.

Now you are changing subject. We are not talking about whether Cheney was hunting illegally or not.

Again - what Cheney did was not illegal. It was an accident. He accidentally shot at Whittington. That is NOT illegal.

What Kennedy did was illegal.... which resulted in death of a poor woman who survived the impact but drowned because she could not get out of the vehicle. He did not report the accident nor notified the authority. That is illegal.

 

[jillio]

he pleaded guilty to leaving scene of accident. he did not report it to authority. That is illegal. Because of that - a poor woman died.... horribly. The blood was on his hands.

Yes, he pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident. And Cheney admitted to handling a firearm irresponsibly while intoxicated. Had his victim chosen to press charges, he would have been guilty of assualt with a deadly weapon...also illegal.

A woman died because she was a passenger in a car that was involved in an accident. She drowned because the car was accidentally driven into the water. He did report it to authorities...and much quicker than Cheney reported having shot someone in the face.

Fact is, Ted Kennedy paid the price our justice system demanded of him legally. No one but Ted knows what price he paid personally, but I can certainly imagine that it was much heaftier than the one given him from a legal standpoint. And in the meantime, he served the American public in the Senate for nearly 50 years, and consistently fought and won for those who are most often victimized in our society. Are you aware that he personally contacted the surviving family members of 9/11, not through a form letter, but through a personal phone call? He didn't just talk the talk...he walked the walk, and I find it shameful that a few still continue to attempt to besmirch his character despite that the good he has done far outweighs the negative. His own son made a very telling statement at his funeral service. "My dad taught me how to like Republicans." It is a shame that there are those few that cannot rise to that level of character themselves.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

he pleaded guilty to leaving scene of accident. he did not report it to authority. That is illegal. Because of that - a poor woman died.... horribly.

He accepted his responsible for his negligence to save woman´s life because he was too drunk to save her life.

He was not alone in the world who made mistakes. He deserved his punishment for that... What and how he did belongs past...

I would say NO to drunk driver when I were Mary Jo because I know it would risk my life if I take drunk driver´s offer to drive me to home.

Mary Jo was an adult and know what she doing. She choose to take Ted´s offer to take her home when she knows that he was drinking.

The blood was on his hands.

Can you post the source to support your claim?