Ted Kennedy dead at 77

[Jiro]

He accepted his responsible for his negligence to save woman´s life because he was too drunk to save her life.

He was not alone in the world who made mistakes. He deserved his punishment for that... What and how he did belongs past...

I would say NO to drunk driver when I were Mary Jo because I know it would risk my life if I take drunk driver´s offer to drive me to home.

Mary Jo was an adult and know what she doing. She choose to take Ted´s offer to take her home when she knows that he was drinking.

Can you post the source to support your claim?

the source? it's on police report, news, and his court file. Mary Jo Kopechne died. Her blood is on his hands.

Eerie thing is..... similar thing happened to Princess Diana... a drunk driver

 

[Jiro]

Yes, he pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident. And Cheney admitted to handling a firearm irresponsibly while intoxicated. Had his victim chosen to press charges, he would have been guilty of assualt with a deadly weapon...also illegal.

A woman died because she was a passenger in a car that was involved in an accident. She drowned because the car was accidentally driven into the water. He did report it to authorities...and much quicker than Cheney reported having shot someone in the face.

Fact is, Ted Kennedy paid the price our justice system demanded of him legally. No one but Ted knows what price he paid personally, but I can certainly imagine that it was much heaftier than the one given him from a legal standpoint. And in the meantime, he served the American public in the Senate for nearly 50 years, and consistently fought and won for those who are most often victimized in our society. Are you aware that he personally contacted the surviving family members of 9/11, not through a form letter, but through a personal phone call? He didn't just talk the talk...he walked the walk, and I find it shameful that a few still continue to attempt to besmirch his character despite that the good he has done far outweighs the negative. His own son made a very telling statement at his funeral service. "My dad taught me how to like Republicans." It is a shame that there are those few that cannot rise to that level of character themselves.

Kennedy reported it to authority......... too late. The police had already found the body BEFORE he reported it.

Cheney does not need to immediately report to authority since there were Secret Service detail and ambulance on stand-by.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Now you are changing subject.

No, I do not change the subject but question you because you consider Cheney´s shooting incident as a legal.

We are not talking about whether Cheney was hunting illegally or not.

The reason I brought up in first place to remind that Cheney did is similar as Kennedy...

Again - what Cheney did was not illegal. It was an accident. He accidentally shot at Whittington. That is NOT illegal.

Cheney would put in jail for break the law if Whittington seek a legal against him. Cheney was very lucky that Whittington choose to not do that.

What Kennedy did was illegal.... which resulted in death of a poor woman who survived the impact but drowned because she could not get out of the vehicle. He did not report the accident nor notified the authority. That is illegal.

See my previous post and http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/52693-kennedy-clan-s-history.html

Anyway Cheney did illegal as well.

Cheney reported the accident many hours later and also drank alochol as well.

 

[Jiro]

No, I do not change the subject but question you because you consider Cheney´s shooting incident as a legal.

The reason I brought up in first place to remind that Cheney did is similar as Kennedy...

What Cheney did is similar as Kennedy? Not at all. Not even by half. I know you hate Cheney but please be logical. I hate Cheney too but at least I do not exaggerate little thing in attempt to put Cheney on same level as Kennedy.

Cheney would put in jail for break the law if Whittington seek a legal against him. Cheney was very lucky that Whittington choose to not do that.

huh???????????? Why would Whittington seek legal action against Cheney? They were hunting TOGETHER. If you look at hunting incidents, accidental shooting during hunting happens all the time.

beside - exactly what legal action is it if Whittington decided to pursue?

See my previous post and http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/52693-kennedy-clan-s-history.html

Anyway Cheney did illegal as well.

Cheney did not get a proper "stamp" for his hunting permit.... hardly a serious offense like Kennedy's.

Cheney reported the accident many hours later.

so? that's not illegal.

 

[jillio]

Kennedy reported it to authority......... too late. The police had already found the body BEFORE he reported it.

Cheney does not need to immediately report to authority since there were Secret Service detail and ambulance on stand-by.

What does the Secret Service have to do with it. They were there to protect Cheney. Shame one of them didn't take the gun out of his hands before he shot the poor guy in the face thinking he was a bird.

 

[Jiro]

What does the Secret Service have to do with it.

"The vice president, his Secret Service detail and other companions rushed to the wounded man's aid, Armstrong said." - source

They were there to protect Cheney. Shame one of them didn't take the gun out of his hands before he shot the poor guy in the face thinking he was a bird.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What Cheney did is similar as Kennedy? Not at all. Not even by half. I know you hate Cheney but please be logical. I hate Cheney too but at least I do not exaggerate little thing in attempt to put Cheney on same level as Kennedy.

Who says that I hate Cheney?

I don´t hate Cheney and Bush but I don´t like them and their political behavior.

I choose to remind anyone about Cheney and shooting scandal because some of ADers continue to bring up Kennedy´s past to disrespect the title of thread, the thread creator annonced the death of Ted Kennedy.

We all are well aware what and how Kennedy did wrong but I can´t see the sense why anyone obsessed Kennedy´s past when someone created a thread over Kennedy´s brain tumor at other thread so I created a new thread over "Kennedy Clan´s history" to respect thread creator "Kennedy brain tumor" last year. Here again?

Yes, both Cheney and Kennedy did illegal.

huh???????????? Why would Whittington seek legal action against Cheney? They were hunting TOGETHER. If you look at hunting incidents, accidental shooting during hunting happens all the time.

beside - exactly what legal action is it if Whittington decided to pursue?

See the link, I provided over illegal shooting in my previous post toward you.

Please use common sense and logical.

Cheney did not get a proper "stamp" for his hunting permit.... hardly a serious offense like Kennedy's.

Accord the link, Cheney did was a serious offense.

so? that's not illegal.

No?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What does the Secret Service have to do with it. They were there to protect Cheney. Shame one of them didn't take the gun out of his hands before he shot the poor guy in the face thinking he was a bird.

 

[Jiro]

Who says that I hate Cheney?

I don´t hate Cheney and Bush but I don´t like them and their political behavior.

I'm not interested in playing word game. It's still same. You don't like them. I don't like them either. Period.

I choose to remind anyone about Cheney and shooting scandal because some of ADers continue to bring up Kennedy´s past to disrespect the title of thread, the thread creator annonced the death of Ted Kennedy.

We all are well aware what and how Kennedy did wrong but I can´t see the sense why anyone obsessed Kennedy´s past when someone created a thread over Kennedy´s brain tumor at other thread so I created a new thread over "Kennedy Clan´s history" to respect thread creator "Kennedy brain tumor". Here again?

Yes, both Cheney and Kennedy did illegal.

yes.... shameless lads, aren't they? *smh*

See the link, I provided over illegal shooting in my previous post toward you.

Please use common sense and logical.


Accord the link, Cheney did was a serious offense.

with common sense and logical understanding, it was not a serious offense.

No?

nope unless he intended to not report it or to cover it up.

however - in Kennedy's case, the law says you cannot leave the scene of accident

 

[kokonut]

A bunch of bs to think that Ted actually paid the price for his crime of killing Mary Jo. It was Mary Jo who paid the ultimate price. Political strings were pulled. Political favors were requested to get Ted off the hook as much as possible. Ted got off way too easy. Anybody with enough brain matter can see that.

 

[Lighthouse77]

believe me, people done the same thing about Jerry Falwell and others... They go around cheering about his death. When will people stop cheering for other people's death. There are always someone who loved them and and are grieving for them

 

[deafskeptic]

believe me, people done the same thing about Jerry Falwell and others... They go around cheering about his death. When will people stop cheering for other people's death. There are always someone who loved them and and are grieving for them

I wasn't one of them though I was no fan of Falwell. There's a section of the highway in Lynchburg that's named after him. I am referring to Jerry Falwell Parkway. He was loved by many Christians in Lynchburg so I'd imagine that they'd want something named after him.

 

[darkdog]

Wait, are people actually trying to make an equivalence between Cheney's shooting incident and Chappaquiddick? Cheney was not intoxicated during the incident. He had one beer hours before. Kennedy, on the other hand, was totally hammered and a woman died because of it.

 

[kokonut]

Right. Apple and, well, no oranges. There's nothing to compare it with except Ted's own.

 

[jillio]

A bunch of bs to think that Ted actually paid the price for his crime of killing Mary Jo. It was Mary Jo who paid the ultimate price. Political strings were pulled. Political favors were requested to get Ted off the hook as much as possible. Ted got off way too easy. Anybody with enough brain matter can see that.

Take it up with the Dept. of Justice. I'm sure they would be very impressed with your perception of yourself as judge, jury, and executioner. Your problem is with loop holes in the justice system.

 

[yizuman]

Apparently, Kennedy worked with the KGB to undermine Carter for his own political ambition too, and according to this article, helped craft the FISA act to cover his tracks.

The trail leads directly to the intelligence failures of 9/11:

Edward Moore Kennedy, whose memory was endlessly praised in the mainstream media over the weekend, conspired with our Cold War enemy, the Soviet Union, against the interests of the United States Government. The effort was to thwart the national security goals being championed by the President of the United States, Ronald Reagan, as historian Paul Kengor reviews today on AT.


What is not generally known is that Kennedy collaborated with the Soviets well before Reagan was elected, and had a direct hand in crafting the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. As a result of his efforts -- which appear in retrospect to have been crafted to prevent detection of his seditious activities -- the FBI was prevented from accessing critical intelligence that could have warned of 9-11.


This story has been brought to light in an article, Treason and Ted Kennedy: The Story the Media Won't Tell by Herb Romerstein, a veteran investigator for the U.S. House of Representatives. Mr. Romerstein is probably the foremost expert on subversive activities in the United States during the period in question.


According to KGB archives, Kennedy used lifelong friend and former fellow senator John Tunney (son of famed heavyweight boxer, Gene Tunney) as a go-between with the Soviet KGB. In 1978 Kennedy requested that the KGB establish a relationship with Tunney's firm, which they apparently had already done through one of their agents in France.


In another KGB report, Romerstein relates that:


March 5, 1980, John Tunney met with the KGB in Moscow on behalf of Sen. Kennedy. Tunney expressed Kennedy's opinion that "nonsense about 'the Soviet military threat' and Soviet ambitions for military expansion in the Persian Gulf . . . was being fueled by (President Jimmy) Carter, (National Security Advisor Zbigniew) Brzezinski, the Pentagon and the military industrial complex." Kennedy offered to speak out against President Carter on Afghanistan. Shortly thereafter he made public speeches opposing President Carter on this issue. (Emphasis mine.)


So Kennedy had been having conversations via an intermediary with the Soviets well before Reagan took office and even worked against his own party. But he had laid the groundwork for this treasonous activity even before this.


According to Romerstein:


Kennedy told the Senate Intelligence Committee in 1976 that "For the last 5 years I and others in the Senate have labored unsuccessfully to place some meaningful statutory restrictions on the so-called inherent power of the Executive to engage in surveillance."

When Congress discussed legislation to require a court warrant to wiretap enemy agents and terrorists, Kennedy and the ACLU began a campaign to raise the barriers as high as possible.

Kennedy introduced the concept in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Bill that required evidence that someone was providing classified information to a foreign intelligence service. Someone who "only" had a clandestine relationship with a foreign intelligence officer and carried out covert influence operations for a foreign power could not be wiretapped. (Emphasis mine.)

When we see the KGB reports we can understand why Kennedy would want this provision in the law. Kennedy was not a KGB agent. He also was not "a useful idiot" who was used by the KGB without understanding what he was doing. Kennedy was a collaborationist. He aided the KGB for his own political purposes.


It seems plain to me that Kennedy introduced The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) legislation to cover himself for his later seditious activities. Now here is the final kicker:


The restrictions that Kennedy successfully put in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act were so tight that when the FBI arrested Zacarias Moussaoui (the so-called 20th highjacker) in August 2001, they could not get permission to download his computer since FBI headquarters understood that they did not have enough evidence to get a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

After 9/11 when they did download his computer they found, among other interesting things, information on the air currents over New York. After 9/11 Kennedy and other demagogues in the Congress blamed the FBI and CIA for the intelligence failure. The slogan was "they didn't connect the dots."


It is worthwhile to reflect that while Republicans and Democrats alike lionize the fallen "Lion of the Senate," with their silence they implicitly condone potentially seditious activities that may have contributed to the loss of 2,998 American lives, the most costly single attack on American soil in U.S. history.

Bombshell. But then, his father was the same way:

Joseph Kennedy and the Jews

“During May of 1938, Kennedy engaged in extensive discussions with the new German Ambassador to the Court of St. James’s, Herbert von Dirksen. In the midst of these conversations (held without approval from the U.S. State Department), Kennedy advised von Dirksen that President Roosevelt was the victim of “Jewish influence” and was poorly informed as to the philosophy, ambitions and ideals of Hitler’s regime. (The Nazi ambassador subsequently told his bosses that Kennedy was “Germany’s best friend” in London.)”

The HNN article as a whole is worth a read.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

God...

The guy is DEAD. You can't fix history. It's over and done with. If you really want make a difference about people's past mistakes and bad intentions, go and read "The Time Machine" by H.G. Wells.

It is not like he spread some dubious ideology that will be studied for centuries to come.

 

[AlleyCat]

^^^


He is dead, after all. It's like a beating a dead horse. Same with all the MJ threads.

 

[Jolie77]

Mod's Note:

The thread has served it's purpose and it's time to close this thread.

Let's at least have the decency to respect the ones that has departed his/her life.

Rest in peace, Ted Kennedy.