Support our government!!!

[netrox]

Of course Saddam wasn't a threat to USA, but I want him dead because
so this darn war can be over... If Saddam had not surrender and was killed, then this war would have been over by now.

I don't know why Saddam's supporters love him so much, why can't they see this man is a nobody... and wave the white flag and vote for new leader?

The war we're having now has nothing to do with Saddam anymore. It's battling insurgents seeking to gain control of the Iraqi government.

 

[ayala920]

We need to maintain our military presence as long as necessary. I don't agree with the reasons this war was started and I think this war was a waste of our resources, though.

We're too far in now to go back. Regardless of how invalid our reasons for starting this may have been, we have to see this through to the end.

Gotta agree with Teresh here. While I absolutely do NOT support this war at all, it would be irresponsible of us to leave now. We went in we said we were going to fix the country, which we haven't done and need to do. Of course it won't be perfect, but having some semblance of order would be nice.

 

[jazzy]

WOW! This is the oldest and lamest excuse in the book. A comparison of the death counts from this and other wars makes it useless:
American death count
Iraq: 2544
Vietnam: 58000
Korea: 54,200
World War 1: 117,000
World War 2: 407,300

Congratulations Bush, you have acheived the record for the least American casualties in any war, also less than any battle waged by the US. If today's media had been in control of the US in WW2, with American deaths as the reason to pull out, would we have remained in any of these wars if they would have had their way? A breaking point of 2500 deaths says no.

Least American casualites? I do not believe this shit when u said this. More than 2500 deaths is too much. I do not applaused Bush for their least deaths. It made me so mad.

 

[jazzy]

The war we're having now has nothing to do with Saddam anymore. It's battling insurgents seeking to gain control of the Iraqi government.

I agree, why do u think Saddam not allow those religion freedom back then because he knew those people too well unlikely our prez Bush did not know. Sunni and Shittes hate each others.

 

[sculleywr]

Least American casualites? I do not believe this shit when u said this. More than 2500 deaths is too much. I do not applaused Bush for their least deaths. It made me so mad.

Ok, since you claim that we shouldn't go to war to minimize casualties, should we have gone to war with the Germans and turned the tide of the world wars? No, according to your philosophy.
Should we have gone to war for our independence? no, according to your philosophy.

So, by your philosophy, if it had been the one used by the presidents and our forefathers, we would still be a British colony, and Germany would have an empire larger than America, and we would be forced into war with them when they sent their fleets to American soil. So, by your philosophy, we would more than triple the casualties in World War 2.

Another thing, every soldier that is in Iraq VOLUNTEERED to return. Last I checked, the soldiers DON'T want to leave. Soldiers, in fact, are calling into American radio stations and saying what is really on their mind. One person called Chattanooga's 107.9 "The Duke," and said flat out that the polls were a complete and utter lie by the press to turn the nation against the president. THIS IS A WAR. THERE WILL BE RISKS. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO GIVE YOUR LIFE FOR THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SELL YOUR FLAG, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN.

There, I am done yelling.

 

[sculleywr]

I agree, why do u think Saddam not allow those religion freedom back then because he knew those people too well unlikely our prez Bush did not know. Sunni and Shittes hate each others.

Oh, and you want one group to take control of the government and eliminate the other without regards to civilian casualties, and sometimes killing nothing but civilians because of their beliefs (wait, that is what it was like prior to our entrance.) Saddam had the same reason as the Catholics and the Lutherans, HE WANTED CONTROL. You wipe out a tyrannic government, and you are bound to get this. However, I am not for peace with oppression. I am for peace AND freedom. Both have a cost. Get over your petty thoughts and think about how the IRAQIS feel about this. They are, for the most part, happy with this. The insurgents are the minority, otherwise, we would have lost a hell of a lot more and nobody would vote.

 

[DeafSCUBA98]

Of course Saddam wasn't a threat to USA, but I want him dead because
so this darn war can be over... If Saddam had not surrender and was killed, then this war would have been over by now.

I don't know why Saddam's supporters love him so much, why can't they see this man is a nobody... and wave the white flag and vote for new leader?

saddam give their supporters millions of dollars.

and if people don't support saddam they die or end up poor on street.

people accually had FEAR over saddam's power so they support him

 

[DeafSCUBA98]

u're right.. one of my former co-worker volunteer to go to IRAQ. he's excited to help the american soliders. and fight the iraqi.

but i think there's few who don't want to go to iraqi but are forced because there's not enough volunteer for one natrional guard area.

MANY volunteer to fight in iraq. and the problem is.. u joined US forces.. you're required to make a risk that u might be drafted to go to war any form of war. so why join if u don't want to go to any war?

 

[netrox]

I agree, why do u think Saddam not allow those religion freedom back then because he knew those people too well unlikely our prez Bush did not know. Sunni and Shittes hate each others.

No, Saddam's government was actually secular and supported freedom of religion.

Now, the new Iraqi Constitution abolishes secularism and decreed that Islam the state religion and that all laws must be Islamic.

The freedom of religion is lost.

 

[Y]

I will keep them coming until either I am dead or the whole world believes what I do. Basically, until Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity stop, I will. ENjoy the posting.

Sound as if you're not too fond of Rush or Sean. Correct ?
But, What about Bill O'Reillly ?

 

[sculleywr]

Sound as if you're not too fond of Rush or Sean. Correct ?
But, What about Bill O'Reillly ?

I haven't found a station in town that airs him. I get Rush, Sean (who I do like, what I said was a quote from Rush, with a personal touch) Neal Bortz, and Clark Howard on our talk radio, at least those are the ones I listen to. I wouldn't listen to Savage Nation to save my life.

 

[sculleywr]

No, Saddam's government was actually secular and supported freedom of religion.

Now, the new Iraqi Constitution abolishes secularism and decreed that Islam the state religion and that all laws must be Islamic.

The freedom of religion is lost.

Cite? I haven't even heard that on CNN. I quote from the Associated press's translation of the constitution:

Article (3): Iraq is a multiethnic, multi-religious and multi-sect country. It is part of the Islamic world and its Arab people are part of the Arab nation.
*snip*
Article (14): Iraqis are equal before the law without discrimination because of sex, ethnicity, nationality, origin, colour, religion, sect, belief, opinion or social or economic status.
*snip*
2nd - The state is committed to protecting the individual from coercion in thought, religion or politics, and no one may be imprisoned on these bases.
*snip*
Article (39): Iraqis are free in their adherence to their personal status according to their own religion, sect, belief and choice, and that will be organized by law.
*snip*
Article (40): 1st - The followers of every religion and sect are free in:
(a) the practice of their religious rites, including the (Shiite) Husseiniya Rites.
(b) the administration of religious endowments and their affairs and their religious institutions, and this will be organized by law.
2nd - The state guarantees freedom of worship and the protection of its places.

Last I checked, this meant what it said.
They went OUT OF THEIR WAY to say that even the Shiites were allowed to worship. That removes the motive of discrimination. The only motives left are money and power.

 

[jazzy]

Ok, since you claim that we shouldn't go to war to minimize casualties, should we have gone to war with the Germans and turned the tide of the world wars? No, according to your philosophy.
Should we have gone to war for our independence? no, according to your philosophy.

So, by your philosophy, if it had been the one used by the presidents and our forefathers, we would still be a British colony, and Germany would have an empire larger than America, and we would be forced into war with them when they sent their fleets to American soil. So, by your philosophy, we would more than triple the casualties in World War 2.

Another thing, every soldier that is in Iraq VOLUNTEERED to return. Last I checked, the soldiers DON'T want to leave. Soldiers, in fact, are calling into American radio stations and saying what is really on their mind. One person called Chattanooga's 107.9 "The Duke," and said flat out that the polls were a complete and utter lie by the press to turn the nation against the president. THIS IS A WAR. THERE WILL BE RISKS. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO GIVE YOUR LIFE FOR THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SELL YOUR FLAG, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN.

There, I am done yelling.

Shame on you for clap on our prez Bush for least casaulites. Iraq war should never happen. WW2 is not same as Iraq. Japan attacked us first. Iraq never attacked USA. Do not compare those wars with Iraq cuz this Iraq was mistake.

Should all blues sell flag because they are unAmerican? And reds keep flag because they are American? Sound alike communist ideaology if you believe all American should support prez Bush.

As for those soldiers I feel sorry for them because they do not know what they are getting once they are out of service. I witnessed too many tradgey with those veterans, they are not getting enough help from our government, that is where blues are for to help those people where reds does not but dump them into street. I want our babies back home asap.

 

[jazzy]

No, Saddam's government was actually secular and supported freedom of religion.

Now, the new Iraqi Constitution abolishes secularism and decreed that Islam the state religion and that all laws must be Islamic.

The freedom of religion is lost.

When Iraq was free from hand of Saddam, they went to this city where in the past they were forbid to attend under Saddam because of conflict between those two religons. I do not know enough about their own cultures to understand why they are killing each other still to this day.

 

[sculleywr]

Shame on you for clap on our prez Bush for least casaulites. Iraq war should never happen. WW2 is not same as Iraq. Japan attacked us first. Iraq never attacked USA. Do not compare those wars with Iraq cuz this Iraq was mistake.

Should all blues sell flag because they are unAmerican? And reds keep flag because they are American? Sound alike communist ideaology if you believe all American should support prez Bush.

As for those soldiers I feel sorry for them because they do not know what they are getting once they are out of service. I witnessed too many tradgey with those veterans, they are not getting enough help from our government, that is where blues are for to help those people where reds does not but dump them into street. I want our babies back home asap.

Ok, what about this take on it. You are walking down the street and have a gun and a license to use it in defense of yourself and others. You see a guy who was shot once and the shooter pointing the gun at him. What are you to do here. Obviously, you would shoot the guy.

We have the ability to help the Iraqi people, and Saddam is killing them. What do we do? I don't understand why helping another person is so evil. We are helping those people get some pride. What is wrong with that?

In war, there are pros and cons. Sometimes, war is the only way to fix a problem. I didn't say I LIKED it. I said it was the best choice.

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

What the heck? I need the soliders come home. My brother in law has beeen in afraghan 2 past summers and now he might have to go to Iraq. It sucks.. and he said DAMN BUSH IS SELFISH! I don't want my bro in law to end up dead. I am very close to him!

Yeah.

My good friend's brother was in Afghanistan for like a year and a half but got back to the US just this past April. He might get redeployed any time though.

 

[pek1]

Another thing, every soldier that is in Iraq VOLUNTEERED to return. Last I checked, the soldiers DON'T want to leave. Soldiers, in fact, are calling into American radio stations and saying what is really on their mind. One person called Chattanooga's 107.9 "The Duke," and said flat out that the polls were a complete and utter lie by the press to turn the nation against the president. THIS IS A WAR. THERE WILL BE RISKS. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO GIVE YOUR LIFE FOR THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SELL YOUR FLAG, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN.

sculleywr,

First of all, your pm to me regarding respect really made you look stupid. Second, every person in the United States is GUARANTEED the First Amendment, hence they can say whatever they want and you have nothing to say, especially about their patriotism. That was a cheap shot that only Rush Limbough would do and he only does it for effect and entertainment purposes only. Third, Congress did NOT declare war, nor is this a "war" over in Iraq. Son, you'd best read up on the real reasons why we're fighting over in Iraq. In case you don't know, let me give you a tidbit, free of charge. Iraq doesn't own its oil. The Queen of England does (read your history to find this out).

Oh, by the way, I hang my flag upside down.

 

[jazzy]

Ok, what about this take on it. You are walking down the street and have a gun and a license to use it in defense of yourself and others. You see a guy who was shot once and the shooter pointing the gun at him. What are you to do here. Obviously, you would shoot the guy.

We have the ability to help the Iraqi people, and Saddam is killing them. What do we do? I don't understand why helping another person is so evil. We are helping those people get some pride. What is wrong with that?

In war, there are pros and cons. Sometimes, war is the only way to fix a problem. I didn't say I LIKED it. I said it was the best choice.

In other words, u want us to take over many other countries which it is far worse than Saddam. What about Cuba, I have heard too many bad stories about Castro I have not seen any Prez to overthrow him? Nor Sudan, they are starving million of people right now. What about N. Korea, we did not defeat N. Korea when we went to save S. Korea. I guess u have not learn lesson from Vietnam war. We can't always win wars, only reason we went after Iraq because it was easy and winningable.

There is another way to solve problem by without war alike what Pope John Paul 11 did in 80's, he helped communist conutries to fell without war. We can do it without war by doing peaceful way without killing eachother. War is wrong, that is my belief.

 

[sculleywr]

In other words, u want us to take over many other countries which it is far worse than Saddam. What about Cuba, I have heard too many bad stories about Castro I have not seen any Prez to overthrow him? Nor Sudan, they are starving million of people right now. What about N. Korea, we did not defeat N. Korea when we went to save S. Korea. I guess u have not learn lesson from Vietnam war. We can't always win wars, only reason we went after Iraq because it was easy and winningable.

There is another way to solve problem by without war alike what Pope John Paul 11 did in 80's, he helped communist conutries to fell without war. We can do it without war by doing peaceful way without killing eachother. War is wrong, that is my belief.

Um, do you remember a time when Cuba ever tried to take over other countries? We managed to find a way to keep North Korea out of the south in the end. And currently, if N Korea can find a way to keep America out of the conflict between them and S Korea, They will easily be able to take over the south. If you think about it, even if S Korea is able to defend their country, their capital will be completely destroyed. If N Korea comes in and America does not help, the south will most likely capitulate.

As for peaceful solutions, could you name one we did NOT try? We did go through the UN, who weren't helping too much. The inspections they did only covered 1/4 of 1% of the weapons caches, which is why I was yelling back then about them not searching efficiently enough. Shoot, a community survey covers more percentage of the people than the inspections covered of the weapons caches.

 

[sculleywr]

sculleywr,

First of all, your pm to me regarding respect really made you look stupid. Second, every person in the United States is GUARANTEED the First Amendment, hence they can say whatever they want and you have nothing to say, especially about their patriotism. That was a cheap shot that only Rush Limbough would do and he only does it for effect and entertainment purposes only. Third, Congress did NOT declare war, nor is this a "war" over in Iraq. Son, you'd best read up on the real reasons why we're fighting over in Iraq. In case you don't know, let me give you a tidbit, free of charge. Iraq doesn't own its oil. The Queen of England does (read your history to find this out).

Oh, by the way, I hang my flag upside down.

Firstly, for those listening, the PM I sent him was in response.

Secondly, ok, so if I catch wind of the president's hideout in time of crisis, would I be allowed to leak that out to say, one of the most wanted serial killers in the US? Or maybe I could leak the locations of our undercover CIA agents. I don't give a flying crap about what you think of your patriotism. It is a cheap shot against the president to leak information like that. You first amendment toters are forgetting that even the first president had things that he hid. You know what the WW2 veterans are saying about liberals? They are straight out pissed at you guys. Top Secret is placed on items for a reason. It is unpatriotic to tie our nation's hands in the fight against terrorism. I bet that if we were to tell you to go into a boxing ring with your hands tied behind your back, you would have some issues.

Thirdly, I really hope you aren't pulling the oil card, because that idea is laughable. The amount of money that this war was estimated at would still take over a decade or two to pay back with the amount we MIGHT save on oil. I haven't seen any results on oil prices. Anyways, if we were to go to war solely for oil, we should have gone to war with Saudi Arabia. Congress voted the ability to go to war with Iraq. Why take a vote if you aren't going to ACT ON THAT VOTE?