substituting or is this what he hears?

[faire_jour]

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One thing I noticed in the OP's first post was:

"Aided they think he hears either 25db to 30db across all frequencies."

That still puts her son in the speech range right now.

It does, and therefore, NOT a candidate for CI.

actually, no. And aided audiogram is not what makes someone a CI candidate. It is about speech understanding. You can have a great audiogram and still have zero speech discrimination.

 

[AlleyCat]

If a child is in the speech range, why would there not be speech discrimination? Many CI users, when wearing their CIs, are in that same 25-30 db range as her son with HAs.

 

[faire_jour]

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If a child is in the speech range, why would there not be speech discrimination? Many CI users, when wearing their CIs, are in that same 25-30 db range as her son with HAs.

many different reasons. It is so individual. Some people with a profound loss can understand spoken language over the phone, whereas another person with a moderatly severe loss could not understand any spoken language. It depends of the type of damage in the hair cells and how they transfer the information to the nerve.

the difference would be in the technology. The CI would bypass the hair cells and stimulate the nerve directly. And the earlier the nerve is stimulated, the less it atrophys and the better the brain receives the input.

 

[Bebonang]

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many different reasons. It is so individual. Some people with a profound loss can understand spoken language over the phone, whereas another person with a moderatly severe loss could not understand any spoken language. It depends of the type of damage in the hair cells and how they transfer the information to the nerve.

the difference would be in the technology. The CI would bypass the hair cells and stimulate the nerve directly. And the earlier the nerve is stimulated, the less it atrophys and the better the brain receives the input.

You are just dreaming like every hearing person want to cure the profound deafness. Hah!!!! That is laughable. Not true at all. Get real, please.

 

[TheOracle]

That is because you, GrendelQ and FJ are hearing and don't know what it is like to be deaf at all. You can not experience that. So give us a break. :roll:

Bebo...dear...there are people on AD who have CI. Are you saying that's wrong? I'm saying that's perfectly reasonable for them to make that choice.

Choices are OK.

 

[faire_jour]

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many different reasons. It is so individual. Some people with a profound loss can understand spoken language over the phone, whereas another person with a moderatly severe loss could not understand any spoken language. It depends of the type of damage in the hair cells and how they transfer the information to the nerve.

the difference would be in the technology. The CI would bypass the hair cells and stimulate the nerve directly. And the earlier the nerve is stimulated, the less it atrophys and the better the brain receives the input.

You are just dreaming like every hearing person want to cure the profound deafness. Hah!!!! That is laughable. Not true at all. Get real, please.

i'm going to try to not insult you, but please try to read more carefully. I did not say anything remotely related to a cure. I am simply talking about being able to understand spoken language through listening with a CI. Which, though you don't like it, is very possible.

 

[Bebonang]

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I am simply talking about being able to understand spoken language through listening with a CI. Which, though you don't like it, is very possible.

You are still dreaming anyway.

 

[TheOracle]

If you don't like FJ that's fine, but do we have to make this so personal? If someone is coming to AD for help, can we not make it about feuds? Everyone? Hello? FJ's last several posts concerning auditory processing is correct. She's not saying go get a CI. She's saying that CIs can be options for some people who want to be able to hear (and understand) through auditory processing.

 

[CSign]

If spoken language is a goal, it doesn't necessarily have to be provided by an AVT. A good SLP can be productive as well. It sounds like this SLP is a bit unsure of herself. Does she have experience working with DHH children?

Does your son have a goal in his IEP relating to his articulation?

 

[faire_jour]

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I am simply talking about being able to understand spoken language through listening with a CI. Which, though you don't like it, is very possible.

You are still dreaming anyway.

why don't you believe the people who have the implants and say it is true? They are here and you are ignoring them.

 

[inmate23]

Thank you everyone for responding.

MY son has what they call LVAS. Basically what I was told is, it’s progressive and every time he has “head trauma” he looses a little more hearing. I was told his hearing loss isn’t great enough for CI. We need to see if hearing aids are going to help him at all first. He’s only had his hearing aids for 6 months. I was told he needs to have them at least 1 year before he’s even considered for CI with his loss.

I am signing with him. I’ve only started taking signing class for about 6 weeks. I have learned about 100+ signs so far. I sign as much as I know at home. But since he has LVAS we’re trying to give him as much speech as possible.

People with LVAS tend to keep quite a bit of hearing over time. Implanting a young child would be premature.

Since blows to the head often bring on loss of hearing, which can then still rebound, better advice , although also silly , would be to put a helmet on the child.

I dont view as silly bottesini advice but reasonable cost effective and pratcial because kids have 'head trauma' and deaf people do learn to speak well b4 hearing aids were inverted and if you still wish ur son to wear aids he can under the helmet

 

[TheOracle]

The "b" and "d" and "g" may at times sound alike to a person with an hearing loss. Especially if they're just said in an one word format as described in your post.

It's the same for young children with full hearing. So at this point, I guess it's safe to say you can't tell. My son is six and he still says "fruit rolluvs" instead of "Fruit RollUps" and "thingers" for "fingers". His hearing is fine. He also spells "Grandpa" like how he says it: "Krampa". His articulation improves the more he reads.

If one of your goals is that he has perfect or near perfect articulation when deaf, then CI may be your route.

If you want him to just have access to sound, then CI may be it for you.

If you just want him to able to speak, then CI is not always necessary.

If you want him to acquire English, then CI is not necessary.

In all of these cases, ASL is crucial and it sounds like you doing a great job. As far as the CI and speaking is concerned, you have to decide what the specific end goal is and work from there. Good luck!

 

[deafskeptic]

If a child is in the speech range, why would there not be speech discrimination? Many CI users, when wearing their CIs, are in that same 25-30 db range as her son with HAs.

Right now I'm wondering if he could have CPAD? Or is it common for children with mild hearing loss to have trouble with words like the one he's trying to pronounce?

 

[deafskeptic]

It's the same for young children with full hearing. So at this point, I guess it's safe to say you can't tell. My son is six and he still says "fruit rolluvs" instead of "Fruit RollUps" and "thingers" for "fingers". His hearing is fine. He also spells "Grandpa" like how he says it: "Krampa". His articulation improves the more he reads.

If one of your goals is that he has perfect or near perfect articulation when deaf, then CI may be your route.

If you want him to just have access to sound, then CI may be it for you.

If you just want him to able to speak, then CI is not always necessary.

If you want him to acquire English, then CI is not necessary.

In all of these cases, ASL is crucial and it sounds like you doing a great job. As far as the CI and speaking is concerned, you have to decide what the specific end goal is and work from there. Good luck!

A caveat is warranted here. CIs don't guarantee that the implantee will have good speech let alone perfect speech.

 

[AlleyCat]

Right now I'm wondering if he could have CPAD? Or is it common for children with mild hearing loss to have trouble with words like the one he's trying to pronounce?

What's CPAD?

I almost want to think that this is possibly age-related for him more than anything else, especially if his HAs are getting him to the speech range. From what the mom wrote, he's clearly picking up (hearing) the "uh" phoneme, so I wonder if the "g", "d", etc. is lack of paying attention at age 2? I do not know ...

 

[TheOracle]

A caveat is warranted here. CIs don't guarantee that the implantee will have good speech let alone perfect speech.

Hence "may"

Also I think the point about CPAD is totally valid...but it would be unknown at this point...unless criteria is different for hoh children? No idea!

The good thing is that this parent is doing all they can for their child! It's just a matter of figuring out what the goals are right now and how to get to them.

 

[inmate23]

Right now I'm wondering if he could have CPAD?

What's CPAD?

I think deafskeptic may have meant CAPD (central auditory disorder) she can correct me if I am wrong

 

[faire_jour]

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the first thing that needs ruled out is whether or not it is a hearing issue. Once it is clear that he can hear the difference (through speech discrim testing), the next step would be to see if it is a articulation or apraxia (motor planning) issue. If that all pans out, then it could be a processing issue.

but i would guess that with a hearing loss, 90% of the time it will fall in the first (hearing) catagory, and then 5% more in the artic. The rest would be a tiny minority.

 

[CSign]

I think it's important to remember this child has really only had access to sound for the last six months. Everything takes time, and it's important for the OP to just enjoy his child. I don't think this is something to stress over. He most likely over time will be able to articulate those sounds appropriately.

In the mean time continuing to incorporate sign into your every day routine will only benefit your child. Studies have shown that the use of sign language actually helps with the speech and articulation.

I would connect with the SLP for ways you can help him at home, to start articulating different sounds. I would inquire as to what experience the current SLP has working with DHH children... If she doesn't have appropriate experience, I would try to have the district provide another one.

The key is whether or not your child is benefitting from this SLP's services...

 

[AlleyCat]

I think it's important to remember this child has really only had access to sound for the last six months. Everything takes time, and it's important for the OP to just enjoy his child. I don't think this is something to stress over. He most likely over time will be able to articulate those sounds appropriately.

In the mean time continuing to incorporate sign into your every day routine will only benefit your child. Studies have shown that the use of sign language actually helps with the speech and articulation.

I would connect with the SLP for ways you can help him at home, to start articulating different sounds. I would inquire as to what experience the current SLP has working with DHH children... If she doesn't have appropriate experience, I would try to have the district provide another one.

The key is whether or not your child is benefitting from this SLP's services...

I agree, and especially with the first paragraph. That's why I was thinking this was potentially age-related, with him being so young. With my profound loss, it took me time as well, but I eventually learned to articulate everything.