Social Security to start cashing Uncle Sam's IOUs

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Jiro said:
but.... that's a contradiction. you're all about SS going back to its original intention. Privatization is opposite of that concept.
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Why would I want to have it go back to it's original intent? Don't lump me with others you suggest are cruel, blah, blah. I am trying to seek discourse on how it can be improved upon and pay for itself and I thought there was concurrence that privitization might be one way.....Why weren't lawmakers having that kind of vigilance and made provisions for SS to be viable as society changed?
 
Kokonut,

You didn't answer my question as you are known to avoid them when you're cornered...

What about my wife who's bedridden and is a double amputee? Do you think the government should not support my wife? Take away her SSD?

How do you feel about people with physical disabilities who depends on SSD to survive because they are physically unable to work to support themselves?

Yiz
 
Foxrac said:
It is still not answer so your choice would be YES or NO?
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It's not that simple. There are tons of Federal assistance programs. They all need to be seriously looked at and what kind of reforms or modifications would be needed, if any at all. Some may need to be abolished. Which ones? I don't know. Who knows. They need to be seriously looked at first.
 
kokonut said:
They need to be seriously looked at.
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always - regardless of political party. hence - "how is my tax money being spent?" ..... not "why am I paying for this?"

example - Michael Brown. Kenneth Starr. Ted Stevens. Nancy Pelosi.
 
yizuman said:
Kokonut,

You didn't answer my question as you are known to avoid them when you're cornered...

What about my wife who's bedridden and is a double amputee? Do you think the government should not support my wife? Take away her SSD?

How do you feel about people with physical disabilities who depends on SSD to survive because they are physically unable to work to support themselves?

Yiz
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Both society and government should try and help those in need or those who are unable to fend for themselves properly.
 
Tousi said:
Why would I want to have it go back to it's original intent? Don't lump me with others you suggest are curel, blah, blah. I am trying to seek discourse on how it can be improved upon and pay for itself and I thought there was concurrence that privitization might be one way.....Why weren't lawmakers having that kind of vigilance and made provisions for SS to be viable as society changed?
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http://www.alldeaf.com/current-even...rt-cashing-uncle-sams-ious-3.html#post1552884

based on that post - you want it to go back to its original intent.... which I just proved to you that it has been same all along. I am not picturing you as cruel or whatsoever. Just upset and perhaps your anger is misdirected.

I don't support privitization because our Social Security money is not for them to play around with our money for investment. It's for safekeeping. If I want my money to be played around with.... I can put that in my 401K account.

I only want them to manage Social Security fund better and closely. There are handful of people (thief) suckling on it with ill intention.
 
Er, the govt has long since played around with our money. The only difference is that we don't have a choice in how we direct our money. That should be an option for those who want to opt in on the privatization part of their retirement planning.
 
Jiro said:
http://www.alldeaf.com/current-even...rt-cashing-uncle-sams-ious-3.html#post1552884

based on that post - you want it to go back to its original intent.... which I just proved to you that it has been same all along. I am not picturing you as cruel or whatsoever. Just upset and perhaps your anger is misdirected.

I don't support privitization because our Social Security money is not for them to play around with our money for investment. It's for safekeeping. If I want my money to be played around with.... I can put that in my 401K account.

I only want them to manage Social Security fund better and closely. There are handful of people (thief) suckling on it with ill intention.
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Only a handful bringing down the SSA? Come on, Jiro. As for the rest of your comments, I have obviously meant the original intent and, as time passed, inserting lawful ways of making the program(s) pay for themselves as society changed. If it wasn't obvious, then I've just cleared that up. Stick to the spirit of the discussion vs arguing for it's own sake.
 
kokonut said:
Er, the govt has long since played around with our money. The only difference is that we don't have a choice in how we direct our money. That should be an option for those who want to opt in on the privatization part of their retirement planning.
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Since this issue has gotten complex and messy, thanks to the government, I think that the lawmakers should/can shore up privitization with other lawful programs that help the SSA pay for itself for those who won't feel confident to opt for privitization.
 
kokonut said:
Both society and government should try and help those in need or those who are unable to fend for themselves properly.
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And exactly how do you propose that society and the government go about doing that?
 
Let's see, SSA to go bankrupt and the citizens not have a say so over their money the put in all those years versus allowing them the opportunity to opt in or not for privatization account where at they have some semblance of control?


Hmmm...tough choices.
 
kokonut said:
Er, the govt has long since played around with our money. The only difference is that we don't have a choice in how we direct our money. That should be an option for those who want to opt in on the privatization part of their retirement planning.
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You always have a choice. What you mean is, you refuse to make the choice because you are afraid of the consequences.
 
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