Single mothers will be forced to name baby's father on birth certificate or pay £200

C.C.Sinned said:
:eek3: future guests on Maury's show..... :eek3:
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Yeah... one woman in the middle holding her baby and 10,000 guys in the audience are waiting for the results of the DNA test. ;)
 
VamPyroX said:
But... like I said, she doesn't know who the father is. She doesn't even remember who she slept with.

Let's suppose this happened at NTID. RIT has 15,000 students. 10% are deaf. That leaves 1,500 deaf students. The male/female ratio is 2/1. That leaves 1,000 male students.

So, if it was a deaf guy that got her pregnant... they can't force a DNA test on all 1,000 men. If it was a hearing guy, that's 10,000 men.
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The implications of this law is troubling. Whoops! Sorry . . . hold on a minute . . .

Hello, Big Brother!
 
Some women are single mothers by choices, does not make it a crime for unwed single mother that got pregnant. I know there are so many negative feelings toward single mothers, so that kind of rash. Lot of single mothers got it pretty rough and hard. But I can say lot of us single mothers are survivors and raising a child is never easy. But being a loving mother is what counts. We not ashamed being a single parents. I know that every single mother posesses inside her the power to overcome the lies society tells us. I hope that together, we can make ourselves heard as real, proud, beautiful women and wonderful heads of families. I hope that by doing so, we can create a better world for our sons and daughters.
 
Wokamuka said:
If this is a fine, how often would they give it? Per day, per year, or just per child?

It'd seem that it's more like a "fee" rather than a fine, would it not?
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I'm not exactly sure how this would be worked out but I believe it would be a fine for per child, since it only states that the father has to be on the birth certificate or otherwise, cough the money up.
 
This new "law" bothers me but I cannot put into words how I feel or why it bothers me...I don't know why it bothers me but it does. I'll think on this more.
 
I bet Britain wanted this to be legislated so they can go after the parent listed for child support and they (govt, taxpayers) can disclaim financial responsibilities for the child if their birth certificate listed both parents.
 
Miss-Delectable said:
I bet Britain wanted this to be legislated so they can go after the parent listed for child support and they (govt, taxpayers) can disclaim financial responsibilities for the child if their birth certificate listed both parents.
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That's exactly what Britain want.
 
Jolie77 said:
I'm not exactly sure how this would be worked out but I believe it would be a fine for per child, since it only states that the father has to be on the birth certificate or otherwise, cough the money up.
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I truly beleive it work pretty good. I do wish German should follow Britian's law because many mothers forbid fathers for visit to see their child... depend on social assistance for money... and cheat social for parental benefit and claim that she don't know who father is... use many good advantages which is an unfair... some mothers are selfish and want child for themselves... but rape, sperm donation, etc.(unless there're proof) is different story, they can left it blank. Some mothers tried to cheat social assistance that a child is from rapist... Social Department are not stupid and need the proof either they report police straight way or not instead of wait for few weeks to discover unexpect pregnant then make excuses.

Some fathers refused to accept the responsible but they still have to pay child support if mothers decides to keep their child.
 
VamPyroX said:
What if the mother doesn't know who the father is?

I know a few women who have a habit of getting drunk and stoned... and then sleep with random guys at parties. One of them got pregnant multiple times (miscarried all of them) and couldn't remember who the father were. :roll:
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Hey, you seem to be all about privacy, why should the father be named?
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
I am sure some unwed mothers have a very good reasons why they don't put the father's name on cerfificate. But not all singles mother can't support themselves. There are lot of singles mothers have good jobs and family support. So most of the time the fathers are the one that left the unwed single mothers and not willing to take responbility for their part in the the mess.
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Yes, the court will examine the proof why mothers refuse do anything with their ex for responsible to their child but I have to take both side between mother and father, not just father. You know there're many deadbeat mothers and fathers, not just fathers.

But many fathers want to see their child but the mothers forbid them... and tried to hide child from them... It was happened a lot here in Germany which is really sad. Mothers leave with their child out of country to start a new life... Many fathers fighting for visitation rights and want to see their child and want their name on birth certicates... The court often said that it's mother's decision... for not want to put father's name on birth certificate... which is really unfair. The fathers did not hurt mothers but just that he decide to not live together with mothers anymore... mothers use child for revenage against their ex... and negative them about their fathers.... It was happened to few people, I know in real life. I hope German will follow Britian's law because it's about child's interest/welfare, not both parents. It's up to child if he/she want to see father or not.
 
VamPyroX said:
But... like I said, she doesn't know who the father is. She doesn't even remember who she slept with.

Let's suppose this happened at NTID. RIT has 15,000 students. 10% are deaf. That leaves 1,500 deaf students. The male/female ratio is 2/1. That leaves 1,000 male students.

So, if it was a deaf guy that got her pregnant... they can't force a DNA test on all 1,000 men. If it was a hearing guy, that's 10,000 men.
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Sure, she don't know who the father is or doesn't remember who she slept with but... she would notice the sperms in or on her... and report straight way then the law will consider it as rape and allow her to leave "father" as blank on birth ceritifcate IF she decides to keep a child.

I read the magazine at few months ago that someone add something in teenager's glass in the disco and make her look like drunk... then next day she found sperms in and on her... and then get her mother to report police and then clinic straight way... They check with disco and withnesses... The witnesses know which guys who companied her.... then got their DNA... then arrest...

 
GarnetTigerMom said:
Well, some mothers have their rights what they want to do. So I can't judge them. I am sure unwed mothers are doing the best they can for their child. Not everybody have to agree with the situation.
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Sure, only if they do not depend social assistance to take care of child because there're no child support from fathers.

Yes, I know from read the magazines that some women use men for their sperm to make baby and want to bring child up alone... Is it fair?
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
Yep or not just being drunk ,, what about being raped by a stranger or ex? I have known some women been held against their will and got raped.. so I don't blamed them for not wanting the father s name on birth cert if the mother can't idenify her rapist. That another thing to think about.
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Yes, accord the article, the law support it and agree to leave "father" as blank on birth certicates if they are rapist but they need to prove that it's really rape... Best thing is report police and then go clinic straight way.
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
I am sure some mothers will tell the child who his or her father is when he or she is old enough to understand the whole situations and why the father's name is not on teh birth cert. It could be personal reasons. I am sure.
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Not all and not always.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, accord the article, the law support it and agree to leave "father" as blank on birth certicates if they are rapist but they need to prove that it's really rape... Best thing is report police and then go clinic straight way.
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Well america have lousy system when to catching rapist here. So america not required to put father name on birth cerift here. Maybe to England to other country. But Here we have choices. How can a mother identify a rapist? not many do see a rapist face or their name. If it someone they know then that different. Rapist still get out of jail short time then do it again. America just need to improve their court system against rapist.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Sure, only if they do not depend social assistance to take care of child because there're no child support from fathers.

Yes, I know from read the magazines that some women use men for their sperm to make baby and want to bring child up alone... Is it fair?
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Well, I am not one of those women that use men. I am not that kind of person. But I do know lots of men don't want to take responibiity for their action as well. There are many dead beat fathers and they too busy jumping in so many women s pants. I would say very few fathers are good men out there take responbility for their mistakes. But So many of them just run away. I don't allow my child father in my life or child life for good reasons. But there no law here in american say must required law to put father name on birth cerft. so we have own personal choices. :cool2:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Sure, she don't know who the father is or doesn't remember who she slept with but... she would notice the sperms in or on her... and report straight way then the law will consider it as rape and allow her to leave "father" as blank on birth ceritifcate IF she decides to keep a child.

I read the magazine at few months ago that someone add something in teenager's glass in the disco and make her look like drunk... then next day she found sperms in and on her... and then get her mother to report police and then clinic straight way... They check with disco and withnesses... The witnesses know which guys who companied her.... then got their DNA... then arrest...
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As I said before... she was drunk. She didn't know she was pregnant until several weeks later.

Sperm? Not everyone is "messy" when it comes to sex. ;)
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
Well america have lousy system when to catching rapist here. So america not required to put father name on birth cerift here. Maybe to England to other country. But Here we have choices. How can a mother identify a rapist? not many do see a rapist face or their name. If it someone they know then that different. Rapist still get out of jail short time then do it again. America just need to improve their court system against rapist.
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Yes of course, they do not have to put father's name on birth certifiate if they are rapists... (check article).

Yes, they can... report police straight way and give them the description of rapists or not if they are masked... They can idenitfy the rapists thru the window... they can't see her but she can see them and pick which one and then compare their DNA...

Unfortunlately yes, rapists still get out of jail after few years prison here in European countries including Germany. Some repeat and some not... I would say that repeat the crime is rarely... Without rebahiltabion to correct their behavior, they would repeat their crimes.
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
Well, I am not one of those women that use men. I am not that kind of person. But I do know lots of men don't want to take responibiity for their action as well. There are many dead beat fathers and they too busy jumping in so many women s pants. I would say very few fathers are good men out there take responbility for their mistakes. But So many of them just run away. I don't allow my child father in my life or child life for good reasons. But there no law here in american say must required law to put father name on birth cerft. so we have own personal choices. :cool2:
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Interesting, I notice some threads about men who denies their responsiblities for their action. I noticed a lot of mothers denies their ex-boyfriends for 50/50 custody of their child... or forbid child from see father than denied their responsiblity for child support/child here in Germany... A lot of mothers want to have child for themselves and refuse to share their responsiblity with their ex-boyfriends... Many robbed men's sperms.... which is unfair for men... A lot of men fighting for their rights against the law because the law are on mothers' side and decision... The child would go to foster family if her/his mother is neglect, abusive, etc. instead of go to single father because they are not married... What a stupid law...:roll: It would be different story if they are married, then get 50/50 custody... go to father if mother is neglect and abuse the child... If anything happened to mother... then next kin to father... or bad mother... then to father... That's why I am for British's law to support single father's rights.
 
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