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BradB08 said:
I personally dislike the idea that animals are experimented upon and I am hoping that an alternative will be found someday that doesn't involve spraying perfume into the eyes of innocent animals, many of which we would call our companions if we could.
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Testing cosmetics and testing medical treatments are 2 different situations.
 
jillio said:
Testing cosmetics and testing medical treatments are 2 different situations.
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Not to me they aren't. Testing drugs on animals only means testing drugs on humans later on. Their are lots of more up to date methods.

We need humanity in research. Otherwise what's to stop them testing on humans too.
 
dreama said:
Not to me they aren't. Testing drugs on animals only means testing drugs on humans later on. Their are lots of more up to date methods.

We need humanity in research. Otherwise what's to stop them testing on humans too.
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Oh I see. You don't want ANY testing at all? Human nor animal? Is this what you're saying?

You're saying you want research to be limited to only number crunching and computer simulations? Just trying to clarify.
 
that picture it is not moose i know what moose look like they have large thick alters it might look like a ELK as the alters are little thin but large too.

BTW i support NO ONE period no mccain/palin or obama/biden
 
Daredevel7 said:
Oh I see. You don't want ANY testing at all? Human nor animal? Is this what you're saying?

You're saying you want research to be limited to only number crunching and computer simulations? Just trying to clarify.
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Adult stem cells from Volunteers ok or from abigol cord of live babies. Computer based modelling ok, observing cases ok. So it's just animal, embroyotic or animal/human hybrid research that I don't like. It does leave a lot of other options. Besides which humans and animals are differant. What works with a human doesn't always work with another species and visa versa. So we have to test on humans eventually anyway. Sometimes this has very bad results.

Macain says that he wants ethnics in research although he's refering to not testing on live embroyo's I think. I read this on his website. I don't really know his views on animal based research as he doesn't give it a mention.
 
dreama said:
Adult stem cells from Volunteers ok or from abigol cord of live babies. Computer based modelling ok, observing cases ok. So it's just animal, embroyotic or animal/human hybrid research that I don't like. It does leave a lot of other options. Besides which humans and animals are differant. What works with a human doesn't always work with another species and visa versa. So we have to test on humans eventually anyway. Sometimes this has very bad results.

Macain says that he wants ethnics in research although he's refering to not testing on live embroyo's I think. I read this on his website. I don't really know his views on animal based research as he doesn't give it a mention.
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just so you understand - computer-based modeling is based on data collected from real-life testing. Even a world super-genius person cannot even figure out how to create a computer simulation without any data.

So basically - if you support computer-based modeling, you are indirectly supporting live testing.
 
Jiro said:
just so you understand - computer-based modeling is based on data collected from real-life testing. Even a world super-genius person cannot even figure out how to create a computer simulation without any data.

So basically - if you support computer-based modeling, you are indirectly supporting live testing.
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Bingo.
 
dreama said:
Not to me they aren't. Testing drugs on animals only means testing drugs on humans later on. Their are lots of more up to date methods.

We need humanity in research. Otherwise what's to stop them testing on humans too.
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What exactly would those methods be, dreama? To date, I know of no methods of medical research that does not require live testing. And cosmetics do not save lives. Medications do. Yes, we do need humanity in research. That is why we test on animals and not on people.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Oh I see. You don't want ANY testing at all? Human nor animal? Is this what you're saying?

You're saying you want research to be limited to only number crunching and computer simulations? Just trying to clarify.
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Dangerous proposition, isn't it?
 
Jiro said:
just so you understand - computer-based modeling is based on data collected from real-life testing. Even a world super-genius person cannot even figure out how to create a computer simulation without any data.

So basically - if you support computer-based modeling, you are indirectly supporting live testing.
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There it is! Live testing is necessary to design the simulation.
 
dreama said:
We need humanity in research. Otherwise what's to stop them testing on humans too.
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uh... we do have humanity in research. that's why we have a stringent ethic standard... even for animals. something that you don't see in most of countries. That's what stopping us from testing on humans like what Nazi did. Beside... we do test it on humans.... in a very safe, ethical way. Do you want us to be like Nazi?

We first test it on animals... if proven safe... then it's proceeded to clinical trials on humans.... then it's ready to sell.
 
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