Reusable Grocery Bags May Poison You

[Foxrac]

I respect what you beleive in but the link, I posted is fact.

How does all pictures are fact, we don't know because of government hasn't approve the fact.

 

[Foxrac]

Yeah, I notice that carpet is very common in America but it is also in UK, too.

Marble, wood and tiles floor are very common here in Germany.

In bold, same with Australia, Canada and New Zealand as well.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I means if you plan to go to 10 stores to shopping in one day and it won't work for cloth bags.

I don't want cloth bags and I don't believe that government should regulate it, it's should be totally up to consumers.

Oh, I would not carry anything where I shop in 10 stores...

Anyway, I have dozen of cloth bags. I can pick 3 or 4 cloth bags with me if I want to shop 10 stores.

I personally go to shopping mall with shopping trolley to shop each store and then go back to my car park to put things away in the car. It´s less stress than carry dozen of bags...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

In bold, same with Australia, Canada and New Zealand as well.

I was in Australia in winter 2000 and would say that most of them use half carpet and half wood or titles. I don´t know about Canada and New Zealand.

America and UK are similar who use ALL carpets in the house/apartment except kitchen.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

How does all pictures are fact, we don't know because of government hasn't approve the fact.

Understood.

German Government spread the information about environment-friendly, etc. long time ago that´s why we know a lot how to protect environment.

 

[Foxrac]

Oh, I would not carry anything where I shop in 10 stores...

Anyway, I have dozen of cloth bags. I can pick 3 or 4 cloth bags with me if I want to shop 10 stores.

I personally go to shopping mall with shopping trolley to shop each store and then go back to my car park to put things away in the car. It´s less stress than carry dozen of bags...

When plastic shopping bags are outlaw in few cities and more citizens are start use more paper bags like back in 80's, most of them would never use cloth bags for some reason.

I rather to save trees over waste of oil because carbon dioxide could be in anywhere, not only for oil, such as coal.

I know that many malls in US don't have or have limited shopping trolley, you would have grab the bags then go to parking lot and put in car then come back, especially for very larger stuff or you have pay to use baby stroller as shopping trolley.

We do have alot of outdoor shopping centers (known as outdoor mall) too.

 

[Foxrac]

I was in Australia in winter 2000 and would say that most of them use half carpet and half wood or titles. I don´t know about Canada and New Zealand.

America and UK are similar who use ALL carpets in the house/apartment except kitchen.

There's some American homes has carpet in bedroom only, some are in bedroom and family room only or upstair to hall and bedroom only.

 

[naisho]

The problem is not just limited to plastic bags and six pack rings.. guys..

Think outside the current problem for a second. Think about more plastics and other human products that can affect animals;

I can think of these right away,
- Milk jug plastics
- Plastic pipes
- Plastic salad containers
- Drinking straws and caps for soda bottles
- Shipping box packaging peanuts (styrofoam)
- Saran food wrap
- Laundry and soap detergent bottles
- Plastic wrapping from toys
- Plastic "bags" for candies

You buy any of these, and you throw it in the trash, there's a chance it ends up somewhere where it can hurt an animal.

How do you solve the problem when the intent isn't to kill animals, and they are to make human life better? No matter how much we try to ban one product or another, there is always something else too.. The only way is to get rid of human technology completely, or humans may need to die .

 

[Foxrac]

Understood.

German Government spread the information about environment-friendly, etc. long time ago that´s why we know a lot how to protect environment.

There's problem with plastic waste in landfill, ocean and drainage because some cities don't have good anti-litter law to regulate it and all unusable plastic should be recycle because recycled plastic has alot of benefits.

CA has very good law about litter and waste but there's no guarantee if enforce so poorly and it would depends on area.

 

[Cheri]

Cloth bags wouldn't work for frequently shopping.

And why is that? I'm a frequently shopper and I do make sure my cloth reusable grocery bags are with me, if there is not enough, you could always buy more of those reusable grocery bags. :shrug:

They also sell those reusable bags at Wal-Mart, Target, or any other stores.

 

[shel90]

The problem is not just limited to plastic bags and six pack rings.. guys..

Think outside the current problem for a second. Think about more plastics and other human products that can affect animals;

I can think of these right away,
- Milk jug plastics
- Plastic pipes
- Plastic salad containers
- Drinking straws and caps for soda bottles
- Shipping box packaging peanuts (styrofoam)
- Saran food wrap
- Laundry and soap detergent bottles
- Plastic wrapping from toys
- Plastic "bags" for candies

You buy any of these, and you throw it in the trash, there's a chance it ends up somewhere where it can hurt an animal.

How do you solve the problem when the intent isn't to kill animals, and they are to make human life better? No matter how much we try to ban one product or another, there is always something else too.. The only way is to get rid of human technology completely, or humans may need to die .

Maybe we should get rid of plastic altogether...the invention of plastic seems to have been very destructive to the environment.

 

[Foxrac]

And why is that? I'm a frequently shopper and I do make sure my cloth reusable grocery bags are with me, if there is not enough, you could always buy more of those reusable grocery bags. :shrug:

They also sell those reusable bags at Wal-Mart, Target, or any other stores.

There's quote that I posted in previous.

I means if you plan to go to 10 stores to shopping in one day and it won't work for cloth bags.

I don't want cloth bags and I don't believe that government should regulate it, it's should be totally up to consumers.

It's just like idea for christmas shopping.

 

[Cheri]

I don't know anyone that had gone to ten different stores for xmas shopping, that person must had a lot of $$.

I only shop at three different stores to do my xmas shopping.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I know that many malls in US don't have or have limited shopping trolley, you would have grab the bags then go to parking lot and put in car then come back, especially for very larger stuff or you have pay to use baby stroller as shopping trolley.

Pay to use ?

We do have alot of outdoor shopping centers (known as outdoor mall) too.

Yes, we also have here in Germany, too but I don´t shop to 10 stores... If I want to buy something for Xmas then go to one large store for toys etc. and Perfume then go to one store. Maybe 2 to 3 stores.

 

[Cheri]

Pay to use ?

He's talking about baby stroller rental, wheelchair loan. You'll have to pay to rent those equipments, normally it's available at the customer service desk at the malls. Or you can bring your own from home, with no charge to use it at the mall.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The problem is not just limited to plastic bags and six pack rings.. guys..

Think outside the current problem for a second. Think about more plastics and other human products that can affect animals;

I can think of these right away,
- Milk jug plastics
- Plastic pipes
- Plastic salad containers
- Drinking straws and caps for soda bottles
- Shipping box packaging peanuts (styrofoam)
- Saran food wrap
- Laundry and soap detergent bottles
- Plastic wrapping from toys
- Plastic "bags" for candies

You buy any of these, and you throw it in the trash, there's a chance it ends up somewhere where it can hurt an animal.

How do you solve the problem when the intent isn't to kill animals, and they are to make human life better? No matter how much we try to ban one product or another, there is always something else too.. The only way is to get rid of human technology completely, or humans may need to die .

Here in Germany, we don´t throw plastic in the trash but use them for recyle. I have 3 containers here in my house property. - one for paper, one for plastic and one for trash. They come to empty plastics once every 2 weeks - Tuesday, trash every 2 weeks - Wednesday and paper once a month. I empty small trash from kitchen bin after clean cats´litter to my 80 liter trash container at my yard everyday. I own compost bin at yard, then I can throw raw vegetables, coffee, tea, etc. in the compost bin that´s why I didn´t use trash (garbage) much but cat´s litter. I throw metal cans (cat food cans) to a large blue container per villiage where I live and also brown, white and green glasses containers as well.

I can think of these right away,
- Milk jug plastics

- Plastic pipes

How long can you keep them to compare with plastic bags?

I have 20 years old plastic milk jug here. Can we keep plastic bag alive for 20 years?

- Plastic salad containers

wow, too bad. I never buy plastic salad containers. Yes I know that I said "never"... yes I mean it serious.

- Drinking straws and caps for soda bottles
- Shipping box packaging peanuts (styrofoam)
- Saran food wrap
- Laundry and soap detergent bottles
- Plastic wrapping from toys
- Plastic "bags" for candies

All including non-returnable bottles go to plastic recyling containers, not to trash bin.

Any water, juices soda bottles go to store for deposit. I bought a box of bottles plus pay desposit. I get refund after return empty bottles to supermarket.

It explains everything in the link.

How To Germany - All About Recycling

 

[Liebling:-)))]

He's talking about baby stroller rental, wheelchair loan, trolleys rentals. You'll have to pay to rent those equipments, normally it's available at the customer service desk at the malls.

Yes I know what he is talking about. It´s just my cultural shock because we don´t have like that here in Germany.

We do have anything but don´t rent them. I only put €1 to ANY trollers as "deposit". I get €1 refund after finish use ANY trollers. For baby stroller, we don´t rent... If we want to borrow baby stroller from the customer service at the malls then they keep our passport or ID until we finish to use the baby stroller then return to them then we get our passport back.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Or you can bring your own from home, with no charge to use it at the mall.

We use toddler trolley like "drive the car" when we were in the malls.

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My boys LOVES it when they were toddlers... I push them and they pretend that they driving... Cost me NOTHING... just give my passport to customer service to keep until I finish to use baby car trolley.

 

[Cheri]

I have never rent those equipments but I guessing there's a deposit requirement and to show a valid photo ID.

 

[naisho]

Maybe we should get rid of plastic altogether...the invention of plastic seems to have been very destructive to the environment.

Depending on who it is..
They also make the world go 'round!
Many folks will probably be sad to see those boob jobs gone.

How long can you keep them to compare with plastic bags?
I have 20 years old plastic milk jug here. Can we keep plastic bag alive for 20 years?

Yeah, technically you can keep a plastic bag alive for a very long time because pure oxygen air does not degrade Ethylene.
As you don't leave it decomposing with some elements that can react with it, like next to a fireplace combustion of heat and CO2.

Common plastic bags, milk jugs most consumer plastics are made from the substance of Polyethylene. It is the most basic form of plastic available, that serves its purpose well for its properties. There's two different forms now, one is the common plastic that can kill animals (which we are talking about here), and biodegradable plastic has came out for some time also (which is more expensive)

From common chemistry you will learn that anything called plastic is called organic, and anything organic, contains the element Carbon in it. I spoke about this once in the Organic food thread somewhere.

The construction of Polyethylene itself is simple, you take Ethylene.. 2 Carbon, 4 Hydrogen atoms (C2H4) itself, and then you polymerize it for the final product.

Everyday, you will see Ethylene in some form or another and you might not even know it, not even limited to plastic. It's one of the simplest compounds, and used in many basic plastics, from sandwich bags to milk jugs to water/soda bottles to almost everything.

You may have heard of the word Polyurethane before, it is similar in the category but the difference between polyurethane vs polyethylene is that urethane is a lot stronger than ethylene, most notably due to the fact that the structure has more elements in it. Urethane is consisted of the elements, C3H7NO2 - 3 Carbons, 7 Hydrogens, 1 Nitrogen, and 2 Oxygen.

Polyurethane is use also in a LOT of common plastics as well, it's the higher grade plastic. One most common item you might know already, but you might not know that it did have this substance, is a condom.

Any water, juices soda bottles go to store for deposit. I bought a box of bottles plus pay desposit. I get refund after return empty bottles to supermarket.
It explains everything in the link.
How To Germany - All About Recycling

Wow, it sounds like Germany has a very strict recycling process down. That's a good merit you and your country should be commented and applauded in your efforts for.
Here in the USA we are very wasteful as you knew already. Most common Americans do not care as far as to recycle common aluminum/paper/plastic, we still will throw away other forms of plastic and recyclable stuff into the trash.


But overall, I still think the big problem is humans, as in homo sapiens. If we wanted the animals to be true to their nature and have TRUE freedom to do what they want, then human technology or humans must die first. It's just the way nature of life needs to work.

PS. Did you know, that it was a German who created polyethylene?