Remembering Dresden, A Holocaust

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For some reason I felt compelled to post this. I remember talking with my father about this bombing, and he would look haunted as he told me his friends' account of it, those who took part in it. He mentioned that several died of suicide in the years after it, and it gives me pause. You can take this thread or leave it. Just wanted you guys to know.

The WWII Dresden Holocaust - 'A Single Column Of Flame'
 
I can't click on your link until I'm home tonight. I'll read it then.

Are you a reader of Kurt Vonnegut?
 
I can't click on your link until I'm home tonight. I'll read it then.

Are you a reader of Kurt Vonnegut?

Not for a while but I have read all of his books, certainly. A few weeks ago I re-read Happy Birthday Wanda June, a hilarious play.
 
I can't click on your link until I'm home tonight. I'll read it then.

Are you a reader of Kurt Vonnegut?

Slaughterhouse 5 is definitely the greatest literary work surrounding this tragedy.
 
The history of WWII is incredibly sad. I don't know what else to say, except that I'm sorry for the good and decent people who weren't Nazi's who died. I don't think much good comes out of war.

I will say that while I'm not in support of our military actions right now, I think the US did the right thing by going and defending the innocents. No one deserves to die because of who they are. Unless they are evil and want to hurt and bring down others.

It's really sad the people of countries often end up suffering because of those in power. It seems that more often than not it is the citizens who suffer the consequences of their evil leader, even when they are not in support of him or his cause. Sadam Hussein is another example of an evil dictator, and "his people" were the ones who ultimately paid the price for his regime.
 
I will have to check it out. I think I have read only a short story by this author and nothing else.
 
I will have to check it out. I think I have read only a short story by this author and nothing else.

Really?? Oh, you gotta check him out! I think he'd be right up your alley. Though I really like Slaughterhouse 5 it's not even in my top three favorite books by him. My favorites are Breakfast of Champions, The Sirens of Titan, and Bluebeard.
 
Really?? Oh, you gotta check him out! I think he'd be right up your alley. Though I really like Slaughterhouse 5 it's not even in my top three favorite books by him. My favorites are Breakfast of Champions, The Sirens of Titan, and Bluebeard.

Going off topic, but have you read his son Mark's books on his experiences with mental illness? Fascinating reading.
 
Roald Dahl's short stories from world war II are wicked, too. He served Royal Air Force and M16.

Vonnegut is awesome. The only issue I got with him, is that his stories are a bit dark, and they sometimes made me felt like I'm on acid. Weird stuff ;)
 
Roald Dahl's short stories from world war II are wicked, too. He served Royal Air Force and M16.

Vonnegut is awesome. The only issue I got with him, is that his stories are a bit dark, and they sometimes made me felt like I'm on acid. Weird stuff ;)

He's the author of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory right?
 
What a shame they suffered for 14 hour compared to the years of torture and death experienced by concentration camp victims in Germany, Poland, etc....
 
What a shame they suffered for 14 hour compared to the years of torture and death experienced by concentration camp victims in Germany, Poland, etc....

You're blaming the civilian population of Dresden for that? :shock:
 
You're blaming the civilian population of Dresden for that? :shock:

They were complicit. Dresden was manufacturing for the Nazi war effort. THe numbers of deaths in Dresden were not as high as stated.

My uncle often cried about the loss of his two little sisters. '

So yes, everyone who did nothing is at fault.


Bombing of Dresden in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Dresden after the bombing raidThe Bombing of Dresden was a military bombing by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF) as part of the allied forces between 13 February and 15 February 1945 in the Second World War. In four raids, altogether 3,600 planes, of which 1,300 heavy bombers dropped as much as 650,000 incendiaries, together with 8,000 lb. high-explosive bombs and hundreds of 4,000-pounders,[1] in all more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices were dropped on the city, the Baroque capital of the German state of Saxony. The resulting firestorm destroyed 15 square miles (39 square kilometres) of the city centre.[2]

A 1953 United States Air Force report written by Joseph W. Angell defended the operation as the justified bombing of a military and industrial target, which was a major rail transportation and communication centre, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of the Nazi war effort.[3] Against this, several researchers have argued that not all of the communications infrastructure, such as the bridges, were in fact targeted, nor were the extensive industrial areas outside the city centre.[4] It has been argued that Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, a "Florence on the Elbe" (Elbflorenz), as it was known, and the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and not proportionate to the commensurate military gains.[5][6]

In the first few decades after the war, some death toll estimates were as high as 250,000, which are now considered unreasonable.[7][8][9] An independent investigation commissioned by the city council in 2010 reported a minimum of 22,700 victims with a maximum total number of fatalities of 25,000.
 
They were complicit. Dresden was manufacturing for the Nazi war effort. THe numbers of deaths in Dresden were not as high as stated.

My uncle often cried about the loss of his two little sisters. '

So yes, everyone who did nothing is at fault.


Bombing of Dresden in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ummm, ALL cities in Germany manufactured what they could for the war effort. The majority of German civilians were unaware of concentration camps, believe it or not. That report you cited was laughable for several reasons. 1) It was Wikipedia. Anyone can edit it. 2) Dresden was NOT a military target. Only civilians lived there. 3) 23,000 deaths? Ridiculous. Over 15 square miles of furnace-hot fire depleted the entire city of oxygen, so most deaths were from asphyxiation, and many were vaporized from the heat. You cannot imagine the massiveness of the fire. Sigh.
 
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