Rapture will take you up into heaven????

[Crazymanw00t]

I think you know.
Neo means "new," more or less.
Neo-Christians believe that Jesus would condone the mass killing of civilians in Iraq, that he would consider the war just, and some would go so far as to believe that Bush is the "assistant Messiah."
All kinds of kooks among neo-Christians.

lol, where did you get that? It is so stupid.

 

[Reba]

I think you know.
Neo means "new," more or less.
Neo-Christians believe that Jesus would condone the mass killing of civilians in Iraq, that he would consider the war just, and some would go so far as to believe that Bush is the "assistant Messiah."
All kinds of kooks among neo-Christians.

I know what "neo-" means; I just never heard of a group called "neo-Christians". I've heard of neo-conservative, Neo-Classical, neo-Nazi, etc.

I personally do not know any Christians who believe Bush is "assistant Messiah." The very term is blasphemy.

We have already discussed, round and round, about war in other threads. Now we are discussing the Rapture.

Originally Posted by Beowulf
I get the distinct impression that the neo-Christians think they can dictate their terms to Jesus when He returns.
They are in for a HUGE surprise.

The Rapture and the Second Coming of Jesus are two separate events. Christians, neo or not, cannot "dictate" anything to Jesus, so I am not following your reasoning.

 

[cynx2015]

I think you know.
Neo means "new," more or less.
Neo-Christians believe that Jesus would condone the mass killing of civilians in Iraq, that he would consider the war just, and some would go so far as to believe that Bush is the "assistant Messiah."
All kinds of kooks among neo-Christians.

Oh my... where did you get that information?! That is WAY off the whole point! LOL!!

 

[XBGMER]

I personally do not know any Christians who believe Bush is "assistant Messiah." The very term is blasphemy.

you said that christians believe that him is assistant messiah. what about yourself which claim "messiah". that is blasphemy too!

We have already discussed, round and round, about war in other threads. Now we are discussing the Rapture.
The Rapture and the Second Coming of Jesus are two separate events. Christians, neo or not, cannot "dictate" anything to Jesus, so I am not following your reasoning.

Reba, there no way for the second coming of jesus christ in eventally. Possibly you have been told that the rapture is beyond the reach of logic and reason because it was meant to be incomprehensible. Isn't that what faith is all about? But is the rapture beyond the reach of Scripture and History? What does the historic record teach you about the doctrine of the rapture? What do the Scriptures really teach you about the rapture? Does God send you to invite me, "Come let us reason together for rapture."?

 

[Reba]

you said that christians believe that him is assistant messiah.

No. I said Christians do NOT believe Bush is "assistant Messiah". Please read more carefully.

what about yourself which claim "messiah". that is blasphemy too!

Jesus Christ is the one and only Messiah. Period.

 

[Beowulf]

I respectfully disagree.
He was a spriritual Master, but there were others.
Buddha, Krishna, Mohammad, etc.
They are ALL worthy of equal respect.

Below is a picture drawn by a five year old child of neo-Christian parents, I guess.

 

[Reba]

I respectfully disagree.
He was a spriritual Master, but there were others.
Buddha, Krishna, Mohammad, etc.
They are ALL worthy of equal respect.

The others were leaders of religions. Jesus is the only Messiah, the only One who can save us from our sins and give us eternal life. Jesus is the only One who has resurrected from the dead.

 

[Beowulf]

Just a couple weeks ago a buddy of mine died on the operating table.
Five minutes later they were able to shock him back from the dead.
That is getting pretty commonplace nowadays.

 

[Reba]

Just a couple weeks ago a buddy of mine died on the operating table.
Five minutes later they were able to shock him back from the dead.
That is getting pretty commonplace nowadays.

Your point?

 

[Beowulf]

Sighhhh.
In the old days they would consider that "resurrection."
So...Jesus was NOT the only one resurrected from the dead, techically speaking.

I have great respect for Jesus and his teachings, but he was just another spiritual Master, PERIOD (to use your attitude and word).
Just chill out.

 

[Reba]

Sighhhh.
In the old days they would consider that "resurrection."

To revive someone is not the same as resurrection.

A person who is clinically dead is brought back to life, but it is the same mortal life and body. That person will die again. The revival is temporary.

A person who is resurrected is brought back to life in a new eternal body. That person will never die again. The resurrection is permanent.

See the difference?

 

[Reba]

I have great respect for Jesus and his teachings, but he was just another spiritual Master...

Do you believe Jesus and His teachings?

 

[Beowulf]

I believe he existed, and was a Master.
He was not the only one, though.
I would never presume such arrogance.

 

[Reba]

I believe he existed, and was a Master.

What do you mean "Master"? What does that mean?

 

[Reba]

He was not the only one, though.
I would never presume such arrogance.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
Are you saying that Jesus is arrogant?

 

[Beowulf]

I did not say Jesus was arrogant. I am talking about the fact that Christianity is really the minority religion in this world, with practically the biggest concentration in the USA. To imply that mostly Americans will be "Raptured" is sheer arrogance.
In addition to the Bible, I am familiar with the Bhagavad Gita, the Koran, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, the Torah, among others.
I would NEVER presume to claim that MY belief is the ONLY legitimate one.
God is God, wherever you may seek Him.

 

[Reba]

I did not say Jesus was arrogant.

But it was Jesus Himself who said He is the only way to Heaven. Jesus said there is not other way. I only quote Jesus. That is not my opinion, that is what Jesus Himself said.

I am talking about the fact that Christianity is really the minority religion in this world, with practically the biggest concentration in the USA. To imply that mostly Americans will be "Raptured" is sheer arrogance.

I never said that mostly Americans will be raptured. In fact, there are very large numbers of faithful Christians in countries (not the U.S.) who experience severe religious persecution and death for Christ.

God is God, wherever you may seek Him.

I am just telling you that is not what God says. Those are not my opinions, those are God's words. You can believe Him or you can reject Him. That is your choice and decision.

 

[Beowulf]

That is hearsay and conjecture.
The Bible was written by MEN.
They were divinely inspired, most certainly, but MEN nonetheless.
All religious books were.
Everything in all holy books are hearsay, and it requires leaps of faith to live by the words. That, and courage.
And speaking of persecution, it seems that people who are not "Christian" in here are being persecuted. Do not bother denying it...saying that Christianity is the ONLY way, everyone else will go to hell are just offensive fighting words and an ancient source of misery to this world that persists to this day in this very forum.
Peace.

 

[Reba]

And speaking of persecution, it seems that people who are not "Christian" in here are being persecuted.

How so? Everyone is permitted to say what they want. No one is stopping any viewpoints. How is that "persecution"?

...saying that Christianity is the ONLY way, everyone else will go to hell...

I don't say "Christianity" is the only way; I say (and Jesus said), that HE is the only way.

are just offensive fighting words and an ancient source of misery to this world that persists to this day in this very forum.
Peace.

If a person does not believe that the Bible is the Word of God, then why get upset about what God says? If you don't believe it, you can just ignore it. If God's Word is not true why does it cause "misery"? It might be the Holy Spirit's conviction that is bothering. There is no reason to fight.

When you disagree with me I don't get angry. I am secure in my beliefs. If you are secure in your beliefs, then why get angry?

 

[Beowulf]

Lol.
I am not angry, sweetie.
I am just making an observation that Jesus is NOT the only way.
Why does that infuriate you?
I am around innocent children today, and they do not yet know the story of Jesus, and somehow I think it would be evil to take them aside and hiss that they had better believe that Jesus is the only way or they will go to hell.
It would be wrong to growl to them that There is nothing wrong with the rest of all the religions in the world, except that the followers will go to hell unless they give up their religions if Jesus is not the primary focus. That is so full of evil hypocrisy and I just do not have that in me.
God is LOVE.
Have a safe and joyful Chirstmas.