Prostitution Debate

[Vance]

raven, which europe is planning to legalize? I think you made a mistake in that case. You kept saying that you have the morals and family values but with your post, it is pretty obvious that you don't. Also there isn't any logic in your post.

Australia legalized it sometimes ago and they realized that they made a biggest mistake, prostitution problem got too big for them to handle. Sweden criminalized the buying of sex and with social services & strengthened the government's ability, 60% prostitution problem is disappearing in only 5 years. So in other words, your logic is flawed.

I am going to post about Australia and Netherlands situation:

In the state of Victoria, Australia, where a system of legalized, regulated brothels was established, there was such an explosion in the number of brothels that it immediately overwhelmed the system's ability to regulate them, and just as quickly these brothels became a mire of organized crime, corruption, and related crimes. In addition, surveys of the prostitutes working under systems of legalization and regulation find that the prostitutes themselves continue to feel coerced, forced, and unsafe in the business.

A survey of legal prostitutes under the showcase Netherlands legalization policy finds that 79% say they want to get out of the sex business. And though each of the legalization/regulation programs promised help for prostitutes who want to leave prostitution, that help never materialized to any meaningful degree.

See?

In other words, you just want american women to be 'yes' women. Sorry, that will not work for you. One thing about women, you cannot control them. It is easy to control men but women? haha. You will make a severely mistake if you think you can. Good try bub.

 

[SpiceHD]

I do not appeciate the fact that u seem to support prositution... It has been nothing but hurting women, it is designed only to beat women down and makes them feel like they are only 2 inches tall instead of being truly proud of who they are. We are not just pussies for guys to fuck, ravensteve! we are something much more than that. I am soooo against that... prositution is a way for men to control women by paying them to obey men. BAH! I perfer us women in whole world to FIGHT for our RIGHTS ... not step down and let men beat us up (when i mention beating us up.. i dont neccessary mean physicially.. it also means mentally and verbally)

by the way... women who survived rape usually come out more strong than ever... it takes time but it does make them stronger. My own personal opinion... i perfer to fight against rapist than have them pay me to be raped. because thats how i look at it... prositution wants men to pay women to be raped, and those prositution women actually fooled themselves into thinking they actually LOVE it or WANT it. once they stop that type of thing... they usually realize how horrible it truly was and usually is very very grateful they did stop.

:madfawk: legalize prosituation?!? *snarls* I THINK NOT! :madfawk:

 

[SpiceHD]

lol how can u force me to fuck you? o.O but the thing is.. i truly dont like hookers it is truly terrible thing.. it kills women.. believe me.. i know.. i have been living on street for 9 years on and off (mostly on) and have seen things going on... i know prositution is truly terrible thing.. but again.. rape is terrible..

by the way i agree with u about making law against psychatrist heheheh... they shouldnt be so expensive ;-)

 

[Vance]

Prositution is legal in italy.Prositution is legal in spain.Prositution is legal in france.Prositution is legal in former yogoslavia republics.

All of them have the prostitution problems (i.e. mafia, drugs, crimes, etc) I have all evidences so I am grateful for that. I will post tomorrow, I am not up to it at this moment.

Im not saying to control women. Its their free will. If you wanna make a couple hundred bucks i see nothing wrong with it as long innocent girls dont get raped. I seen how a womans behavor changed after shes raped. Some of these young innocent girls get raped end up being instutionalized. I dont want to see that happen to any innocent girl.

Uhhh, prostitution is regarded as an aspect of male violence against women and children. Your post does not make any sense. You told me in other topic that you believe in God or church whatever you believe in or so-called 'morals' and 'family values'. Prostitution goes against every moral and every family value. God and Jesus do not encourage promiscuous activity. So what are you trying to say? Why are you confusing yourself about your morals and family values with that statement? You complained about people who made the money without working in sweatshop now you approved about these women who sells their bodies to make the money without fuss. Once again, your logic is flawed.

it is not free-will, it is controlled-will by men and money. you silly.

 

[Vance]

All of them have the prostitution problems (i.e. mafia, drugs, crimes, etc) I have all evidences so I am grateful for that. I will post tomorrow, I am not up to it at this moment.

I decide to post the issues about Italy. Here it is:

According to the Council of Europe, Roma children are smuggled into Italy from the former Yugoslavia to work as forced labourers in gangs where they are trained and then sold into crime rings in large cities.Trafficking in women and girls for prostitution and forced labour to Italy is a growing problem. The women and girls are usually from Albania, Nigeria, the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.Official Italian statistics (Censis) say that there are approximately 900 children prostitutes in Italy coming from Albania .It is believed that the number of enslaved children outside Albania used for begging, cleaning windows and cars without payment in Italy and Greece should be at around 3,000

There were 1,880 to 2,500 minors working as street prostitutes.More than 8,000 Albanian prostitutes are found in Italy, and about 30% of them are under 18 years. There is no armed conflict in Italy, although the use of children by the Sicilian Mafia is of concern. It has been reported that children as young as 11 are taught to assemble weapons and shoot. Aschool for teenage killers has allegedly been set up in the Sicilian countryside. G. Tinebra, the Chief Public Prosecutor of Caltanissetta, Sicily, explained how children are turned into killing machines after he heard testimony from a 17-year-old Mafia informer who acted as a lookout for two murders. The Chief of Police of this city said that children are usually used by the Mafia in support roles, acting as lookouts and collecting weapons. He added that the age at which youths start to kill has reduced significantly.

Source: http://www.globalmarch.org/worstformsreport/world/italy.pdf (Date: 2000, it means that by 2004, the rate will be worser than that statistics)


That is only beginning... I will post more about Italy and others. Whenever any country legalized or decriminizated prostitution, it is to be guarantee to attract the crime rings, gangs, mafia, drug sellers and other things. Guarantee. And yet you told me that you have family values and morals. Sureee.

Edit: Let you know that we are offtopic in this topic. It is probably best for us to make a new topic for this. I am waiting for you to create a topic since you are the one who brought this idea about prostitution, not me. I already arm myself with the evidences and facts.

Peachy Lady, sorry about offtopic. Glad that I stopped myself before I add any more.

 

[SpiceHD]

thank you magatsu, for all of those proofs... and i do admit im curious about those so yea ravensteve... start a new thread about this.. and we can agrue about it.

peachy lady.. u brought up a very good topic. Thank you for that. *hugs peachy lady*

 

[Cheri]

Some women who are doing prostitution need money to pay their bills and that is part of why they are doing it. They think working at some local stores wouldn't help paying their bills, So they decide to be involved with prostitution.
If Males didn't have a demand, then there wouldn't be a supply of prostitution. If women are being called "whore" why cannot men be called "whore" because they are the ones who paying for sex and oral. Men are foolish enough to spend most of his spare income purchasing the favors of ladies. Remember the old line that when you sleep with someone, you are also sleeping with everyone that person has ever slept with? Each of these ladies has /had sex with hundreds, if not thousands, of men. Think about it.

Government research shows 90% of street prostitutes are drug addicts with a high rate of HIV infection. and Men let that happen because, You offering money in exchange for sex, Instead of helping women get off the street and place the person into a drug rehab center to eliminate the reason why the person in question is walking the streets for money. But, no only men think about is their own pity self about getting laid.

 

[Vance]

SpiceHD, no problem!

Some women who are doing prostitution need money to pay their bills and that is part of why they are doing it. They think working at some local stores wouldn't help paying their bills, So they decide to be involved with prostitution.
If Males didn't have a demand, then there wouldn't be a supply of prostitution. If women are being called "whore" why cannot men be called "whore" because they are the ones who paying for sex and oral. Men are foolish enough to spend most of his spare income purchasing the favors of ladies. Remember the old line that when you sleep with someone, you are also sleeping with everyone that person has ever slept with? Each of these ladies has /had sex with hundreds, if not thousands, of men. Think about it.

Exactly. That's why Sweden's social services and government set up the programs for them to get out of prostitution to get new job and new life. So far, they solved 60% prostitution problem in only five years. Many women do not want to live like that, they have no choice but sell their bodies to pay their bills, foods on the table and sleep under the roof. If any countries set up the programs included social services & government aids just like what Sweden did, they will curb the problems to minimum or nothing.

Government research shows 90% of street prostitutes are drug addicts with a high rate of HIV infection. and Men let that happen because, You offering money in exchange for sex, Instead of helping women get off the street and place the person into a drug rehab center to eliminate the reason why the person in question is walking the streets for money. But, no only men think about is their own pity self about getting laid.

Again, exactly. These men simply do not care about women, they drown in their pathetic self-pity and use these women to make them feel that they are two inches higher than women as what SpiceHD said in her other post. Good post, Cheri

Edit: Oops, I offtopic again

 

[Vance]

This topic is for ravensteve1961. He suggested that legalized or decriminalized prostitution will solve the common problems (i.e. rapes) in any countries. That's ravensteve's words, not mine. I am creating this topic for him so we can debate more.

Note: Mod will move these offtopic posts from other topic to this topic.

 

[DeafSCUBA98]

i know there's a legally prostitution in las vegas if they have a lincense.

but does that solve the rape crime? i'm not sure.. i'm interesting to know las vegas rape crime rate compare to other places that prohabits prostitution.

 

[Vance]

Solve the rape crime? I don't think so. It increases children prostitution and labor in any countries that legalized or decriminalized prostitution. That is only small fraction of many problems with legalized & decriminalized prostitution. I failed to see the point for women to sell their bodies.

 

[DeafSCUBA98]

Solve the rape crime? I don't think so. It increases children prostitution and labor in any countries that legalized or decriminalized prostitution. That is only small fraction of many problems with legalized & decriminalized prostitution. I failed to see the point for women to sell their bodies.

but in las vegas.. its a bit different.. u must be 21 and over (i think) in order to be lincensed to prostitution (only in city of las vegas) I watched that once in some t.v. show 2 yrs ago talking about those legally prostitution in las vegas which is the only city allows prostitution in USA.

 

[Vance]

Well, I usually am good at finding the articles, facts or researches. I believe I will somehow across these to see the result. I believe there are problems in a city of LV. It is inevitable. *shrugs*

 

[Cheri]

Its their free will. If you wanna make a couple hundred bucks i see nothing wrong with it

What free will? You think every women who are in prostitution, wanna be one on their own free will? wrong! Some of them were forced to be one, there are alot of reasons.

When men use women in prostitution, they are expressing a pure hatred for the female body. and he can do anything he wants. She has nowhere to go. There is no cop to complain to; the cop may well be the guy who is doing it..And prostituted women are being killed every single day . When she dies, who misses her? Who mourns her? She's missing, does anybody go look for her? I mean, who is she?

 

[Cheri]

i know there's a legally prostitution in las vegas if they have a lincense.

but does that solve the rape crime? i'm not sure.. i'm interesting to know las vegas rape crime rate compare to other places that prohabits prostitution.

Yes, it's legal in some Nevada counties.

Rape crimes I have the link:http://www.infolv.com/crime.html

 

[Banjo]

What about pornography?

 

[Cheri]

Works as a prostitute in a licensed house of prostitution, after testing positive in a test approved by the State Board of Health for exposure to the human immunodeficiency virus and receiving notice of that fact is guilty of a category B felony and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 2 years and a maximum term of not more than 10 years, or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or by both fine and imprisonment.

More Information:

http://www.nevadacriminaldefense.com/prostitution.html


Banjo: Let's not get off topic here, Why not make a new thread to ask that question.

 

[Banjo]

More Information:

http://www.nevadacriminaldefense.com/prostitution.html


Banjo: Let's not get off topic here, Why not make a new thread to ask that question.

pornography


\Por*nog"ra*phy\, n. [Gr. ? a harlot + -graphy.] 1. Licentious painting or literature; especially, the painting anciently employed to decorate the walls of rooms devoted to bacchanalian orgies.

2. (Med.) A treatise on prostitutes, or prostitution.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pornography

Pornography is related to prostitution. If a person is being paid to have a sexual intercourse. It is prostitution, even if it's "pornography". It's still prostitution. That's why I asked the question, because both prostitution and pornography are on the same shelf because they are both in the sex industry.

 

[Vance]

Banjo, while I am working out the statements and questions in my head on this issue. Out of curious, I wonder what is your opinion in this matter of prostitution and pornography?

 

[Banjo]

Banjo, while I am working out the statements and questions in my head on this issue. Out of curious, I wonder what is your opinion in this matter of prostitution and pornography?

To me, it doesn't matter. Abuse occur in both professions. There's such a thing as a pimp in the porn industry.

Honestly, I don't understand why either men or women would subject themselves to doing such a thing. Sex is something to be kept between two persons, not to please an audience.

Also, prostitution can spread diseases just like the recent scare in the porn industry. Drugs are also heavily used by prostitutes, and many are abused by the pimps, johns and more.

To me, any form of paid sex is prostitution because you are selling your "body" for sex. No less.