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Nor has Obama accused the American public of racism.
I was responding to your quote: "He's accusing them of playing to the racism of the American public."

Obama has simply acknowledged that such remarks have been made by his opponents in the past, and undoubtedly will continue.
So it's fair to indict McCain's campaign based on the racism of a fringe element that will be voting for McCain? By the logic, McCain would be justified saying the same thing about Obama. Is there anything actually racist that McCain has said or done?

However, it is a sad fact of life that racism does exist in America. To pretend it doesn't is naive. He has acknowledged that the element exists.
It certainly does exist, but Obama went well beyond acknowledging the existence of racism to preemptive accusation. It doesn't help the problem to accuse people of racism when they haven't engaged in it.
 
I was responding to your quote: "He's accusing them of playing to the racism of the American public."


So it's fair to indict McCain's campaign based on the racism of a fringe element that will be voting for McCain? By the logic, McCain would be justified saying the same thing about Obama. Is there anything actually racist that McCain has said or done?


It certainly does exist, but Obama went well beyond acknowledging the existence of racism to preemptive accusation. It doesn't help the problem to accuse people of racism when they haven't engaged in it.

And the quote you responded to was a response to your statement that Obama had "played the race card."

Again, Obama has not accused McClain of a racist act. He has acknowledged that the party has brought the issue to the forefront.

Who has indicted McClain's campaign based on a fringe element that will be voting for him? No one has said that McCain's campaign is racist simply because a racist faction is inclined to vote for him, not necessarily because he is the best candidate, but because he isn't black. What has been said is that McCain is using that fact to his advantage.

Now, can we get back on topic?
 
darkdog,

McCain and his campaign supporters use those word "racist" in first place to accuse Obama of playing race card which Obama never use those word to call McCain a racist but cynical.

Did you know that McCain voted against a federal holiday "Rev. Martin Luther King Jr." ?
 
PARIS HILTON - HILTON'S MOTHER BLASTS MCCAIN

PARIS HILTON's mother has blasted presidential candidate JOHN MCCAIN for "wasting money" on an advertising campaign which mocks her daughter.

The Republican last week (01Aug08) released a TV commercial that dubs rival Barack Obama a celebrity, and likens him to Hilton and Britney Spears.

And Kathy Hilton, who with her husband Rick donated thousands of dollars to MCCain's campaign, is furious.

She tells the Huffington Post, "It is a complete waste of the money John MCCain's contributors have donated to his campaign. It is a complete waste of the country's time and attention at the very moment when million of people are losing their homes and their jobs. And it is a completely frivolous way to choose the next President of the United States."


PARIS HILTON - HILTON'S MOTHER BLASTS MCCAIN
 
darkdog,

McCain and his campaign supporters use those word "racist" in first place to accuse Obama of playing race card which Obama never use those word to call McCain a racist but cynical.

Did you know that McCain voted against a federal holiday "Rev. Martin Luther King Jr." ?

I don't want MLK Day to be removed, MLK Day is great because of double pay for job and no school day for kids, just gotta love MLK Day.

Alot of blacks would fight against congress if they want remove MLK Day from federal holiday, I will join them to keep MLK Day as federal holiday.
 
I don't want MLK Day to be removed, MLK Day is great because of double pay for job and no school day for kids, just gotta love MLK Day.

Alot of blacks would fight against congress if they want remove MLK Day from federal holiday, I will join them to keep MLK Day as federal holiday.

Yes me, too because I work for US Government and have MLK Day in January.
 
And the quote you responded to was a response to your statement that Obama had "played the race card."
Playing the race card means to falsely accuse others of treating you unfairly because of your race or using your race against you. Falsey accusing someone of "playing to the racism of the American public" would fall under that. But now I'm confused. Does Obama think the American public is racist or not? You first said "He's accusing them of playing to the racism of the American public" which indicated to me that you think that he does. You then said "Nor has Obama accused the American public of racism". If I misunderstood you, I apologize. I'm just trying to understand what you meant.

Again, Obama has not accused McClain of a racist act. He has acknowledged that the party has brought the issue to the forefront.
No, he didn't acknowledge that the party brought it up in the past. He accused the party of bringing the issue up to the forefront in the future to scare voters.

Who has indicted McClain's campaign based on a fringe element that will be voting for him? No one has said that McCain's campaign is racist simply because a racist faction is inclined to vote for him, not necessarily because he is the best candidate, but because he isn't black. What has been said is that McCain is using that fact to his advantage.
Saying that someone is using racism to their advantage is indeed an indictment on their character. If John McCain were shown on TV saying what Obama says he'll say, he would be labelled a racist instantly, and rightly so. As far as I know, McCain and the GOP have been very careful to avoid using Obama's race against him. Is there a news story that I just completely missed? If so, I'd be interested to see it. After all, I'm hardly a McCain fanboy.

Now, can we get back on topic?
Sure, just a minute.

darkdog,

McCain and his campaign supporters use those word "racist" in first place to accuse Obama of playing race card which Obama never use those word to call McCain a racist but cynical.

I haven't seen any quotes where they use the word "racist". I did find this quote by his campaign manager, Rick Davis: "Barack Obama has played the race card, and he played it from the bottom of the deck. It's divisive, negative, shameful and wrong."

washingtonpost.com

Obama didn't call McCain a racist directly. However, saying McCain will use race against him is pretty much the same thing. When he got called on it, he backtracked.

Did you know that McCain voted against a federal holiday "Rev. Martin Luther King Jr." ?
Yes, when it was initially brought up, he opposed it. He later supported it and was instrumental in getting the governor of Arizona and President Reagan behind it. He has talked about how he regrets his initial opposition.

However, there are reasons other than racism he had to oppose it. Adding a new federal holiday is no small deal. It costs billions of dollars each year and there are very few people in American history honored with their own federal holiday. The only other two are Washington (which is sort of combined with Lincoln) and Columbus. It's not something that should be done flippantly and it shouldn't be surprising that there was initial resistance. That's pretty flimsy evidence of racism and this is the sort of thing we don't need.

Even if you don't see Obama's comments the same way I do, there are a lot of people who do. For a man who positions himself as a post-racial healer here to bring people together, end diviseness, and change politics in Washington, he's starting to prove himself a pretty divisive character. This isn't surprising looking at his record (which is radical, to say the least) and the type of people he's surrounded himself with over the past few decades. But then, that's a whole other discussion.

Getting back to the topic at hand...
There's a lot of talk around here about how negative and cynical McCain is and how positive and civil Obama is. In the interest of intellectual honesty, I'm trying to point out that it's going both ways. McCain supporters aren't terribly excited about their candidate, but at least they know who he is and aren't set up for disappointment. Obama has created a lot of hype, but his followers are already getting disappointed as they see the facade start to erode.

Back to your regularly scheduled discussion...
 
Playing the race card means to falsely accuse others of treating you unfairly because of your race or using your race against you. Falsey accusing someone of "playing to the racism of the American public" would fall under that. But now I'm confused. Does Obama think the American public is racist or not? You first said "He's accusing them of playing to the racism of the American public" which indicated to me that you think that he does. You then said "Nor has Obama accused the American public of racism". If I misunderstood you, I apologize. I'm just trying to understand what you meant.


No, he didn't acknowledge that the party brought it up in the past. He accused the party of bringing the issue up to the forefront in the future to scare voters.


Saying that someone is using racism to their advantage is indeed an indictment on their character. If John McCain were shown on TV saying what Obama says he'll say, he would be labelled a racist instantly, and rightly so. As far as I know, McCain and the GOP have been very careful to avoid using Obama's race against him. Is there a news story that I just completely missed? If so, I'd be interested to see it. After all, I'm hardly a McCain fanboy.


Sure, just a minute.


I haven't seen any quotes where they use the word "racist". I did find this quote by his campaign manager, Rick Davis: "Barack Obama has played the race card, and he played it from the bottom of the deck. It's divisive, negative, shameful and wrong."

washingtonpost.com

Obama didn't call McCain a racist directly. However, saying McCain will use race against him is pretty much the same thing. When he got called on it, he backtracked.


Yes, when it was initially brought up, he opposed it. He later supported it and was instrumental in getting the governor of Arizona and President Reagan behind it. He has talked about how he regrets his initial opposition.

However, there are reasons other than racism he had to oppose it. Adding a new federal holiday is no small deal. It costs billions of dollars each year and there are very few people in American history honored with their own federal holiday. The only other two are Washington (which is sort of combined with Lincoln) and Columbus. It's not something that should be done flippantly and it shouldn't be surprising that there was initial resistance. That's pretty flimsy evidence of racism and this is the sort of thing we don't need.

Even if you don't see Obama's comments the same way I do, there are a lot of people who do. For a man who positions himself as a post-racial healer here to bring people together, end diviseness, and change politics in Washington, he's starting to prove himself a pretty divisive character. This isn't surprising looking at his record (which is radical, to say the least) and the type of people he's surrounded himself with over the past few decades. But then, that's a whole other discussion.

Getting back to the topic at hand...
There's a lot of talk around here about how negative and cynical McCain is and how positive and civil Obama is. In the interest of intellectual honesty, I'm trying to point out that it's going both ways. McCain supporters aren't terribly excited about their candidate, but at least they know who he is and aren't set up for disappointment. Obama has created a lot of hype, but his followers are already getting disappointed as they see the facade start to erode.

Back to your regularly scheduled discussion...

I said that Obama acknowledged that there is a racist faction that exists in the United States. To refuse to recognize such is simply naive.

I find it ironic that this thread quickly trailed off into discussions of race, when it had nothing to do with the OP. Looks like there are those that are far more conscious of it than they would care to admit.
 
Yes, when it was initially brought up, he opposed it. He later supported it and was instrumental in getting the governor of Arizona and President Reagan behind it. He has talked about how he regrets his initial opposition.

However, there are reasons other than racism he had to oppose it. Adding a new federal holiday is no small deal. It costs billions of dollars each year and there are very few people in American history honored with their own federal holiday. The only other two are Washington (which is sort of combined with Lincoln) and Columbus. It's not something that should be done flippantly and it shouldn't be surprising that there was initial resistance. That's pretty flimsy evidence of racism and this is the sort of thing we don't need.
Yeah, I'm afraid Lincoln (The Great Emancipator) got dumped in 1968 (the Uniform Monday Holiday Act, Public Law no. 90-363). Federal law limits the number of officially recognized holidays, so ol' Abe was dropped. Retailers like to include Lincoln with Washington for "Presidents Day" but officially it's just Washington's Birthday.

2008 Federal Holidays
 
I said that Obama acknowledged that there is a racist faction that exists in the United States. To refuse to recognize such is simply naive.
So rather than "the racism of the American public" you meant "the racist elements in the American public". I understand. Thanks for the clarification.

I find it ironic that this thread quickly trailed off into discussions of race, when it had nothing to do with the OP. Looks like there are those that are far more conscious of it than they would care to admit.
I didn't realize veering off topic was taboo on this website, especially to make a related point regarding the civility of the candidates. If a moderator wants to move this discussion to another thread, go ahead, but I've made all my points.

For the record, I'm far more concered about the unsubstantiated racism charges than the race.
 
So rather than "the racism of the American public" you meant "the racist elements in the American public". I understand. Thanks for the clarification.


I didn't realize veering off topic was taboo on this website, especially to make a related point regarding the civility of the candidates. If a moderator wants to move this discussion to another thread, go ahead, but I've made all my points.

For the record, I'm far more concered about the unsubstantiated racism charges than the race.

And I still find it ironic.
 
I love this comparison.
TIME.com: Verbatim, Feb. 28 - Mar. 6, 2005: Barack Obama

Does anyone else remember Obama's quote a few years ago?

washingtonpost.com: The Senator's Humble Beginning



By the way, Obama, I love Andy Warhol's earliest works.. Really..!

1. Obama was not a presidential candidate at this time.

2. Obama did not take a donor´s money to use donor´s family for political in negative way.

3. McCain should use donor´s money to focus his country to improve if he want to become president instead of use donor´s money to negative donor´s families to Obama.

4. Sure, McCain and Obama have their faults in the past before they both annonnce their presidential candidate. They are human beings. :)

5. The fact that obama said this was at three years ago when he wasn't running for president but mccain did it at week ago with paris' mom's money.

6. Obama was simple spoke of his exposure, not compare himself to Paris.

7. What Obama and McCain use Paris´s name in different way. Obama joked about his popularity at his interview and McCain use Paris´s name with Paris´s famliy money to negative Obama on CAMPAIGN commercial on NATIONAL TV. This is a simple difference.

8. McCain did the worst because the Hilton family are contributors to the McCain campaign.

9. Obama made a joke about himself three years ago and so it makes McCain's ad okay? No.

10. The Hilton family donated money. John McCain's campaign shouldn't have used Paris Hilton.

This is a simple difference.

 
I don't think she's candidate to running for US president because of require 40 years old to be candidate to running for US president, I'm not sure but Reba should know.

If true then can't believe about Generation Y would running for president, I feel like honored, lol.
Age 35 years.
 
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