Opinion needed on a peircing

Audiofuzzy said:
>>I just love how I automatically get classified with internet stalkers and perverts because I offered to send a pair of plugs to her.<<

This not the case, This was just an example on my part that this is HOW the preverts operate, it's different from saying you are one.
By this example I wanted to point out to you that a mature person, responsible person, would write something like this:

"Dear Country Girl if you want ear gauged that much let me talk to your parents. maybe I can reassure them about safety, pros and cons of this procedure and IF they'll give you permission to do so, I'll help you.
tell your parents my address and ph# is .................. "

THAT'S how MATURE person would behave.
You, on the other hand, despite taking care of yourself by years are still thinikng like an immature one.

For starters, again-
1.you encourage a minor to disobey her parents
2. you offer something that is considered a BIG NO-NO - an offer a minor to contact you, a stranger from Internet - something you should TEACH HER never ever do!!
3.By encouraging her to go against her parents now, you may initiate further acts of disobeying on her part which not neccessarily will involve something so trivial as ear gauging.

Now, I am getting tired of this ping-pong game you do,
but for one more time:

>>How do you know she'd even want them to close up? <<
I may also very well ask- and how do you know she WON'T regret her decision one day? you still GUARANTEE?

And see, that's where you DON'T get it:

>>If she was going to have her ears pierced, yeah, she'd have to have parental permission. <<

You see, like it or not, she DOES need her parental permission, even if there is no law against ear gauging there is one that prevent to do so to ANYBODY WHO'S underage.
You should take a clue and start thinking.
And I don't care what her parents reasons are, because what is the crux of the whole thing is that YOU ENCOURAGE a 15 y old child to DISOBEY her parents. She needs permission either way. Get it?


>>while 15 year old is still consider underage by law, it does not mean she is a child. <<

It means EXACTLY that.

No matter how mature and responsible the 15y. old is, the parents are still respponsible for it and the child SHOULD OBEY.
of course extreme cases where there is abuse etc is an exception, but forbiding to gauge one's ears is NOT abuse.


COUNTRY GIRL:

I know the arguments and all seems to be funny to you, and I am not surpised you side with Cental either.
But consider this:

If you are intelligent, reasonable girl like I think you are (you did declined an offer from a stranger), before you go full ahead consider please this:
that most of us old grumpies have been 15, 19, 25, 35 and even 45, 55 once and not all of us are squares.
Just because I think ear gauging is ugly does not mean I don't understand some people think it's pretty. I myself was into punky-gothicy fashion once and even now I am thinking of getting my hair dreadlocked.
So you see, I do not squirm or recoil in horror when seeying pierced lips or brows, in fact I think this is pretty.
But sweetie from my own experience - what I thought I wanted FOR SURE once, now I am whew -ing with relief I dind't do back then , and you have no guarantee you won't feel same as me one day.
Talk to your parents. But really TALK. Tell them to convince you why shouldn't you, besides that they don't think it's pretty, and in turn, try convince THEM why should you.
Apart from this, give your self more time. I am pretty sure, judging by what's on the streets. ear gauging and other forms of body modifications still be there in years to come. Give yourself at least a year. If you STILL want to have gauges after a year passes, go for it.
Don't forget to tell your parents that, too.

I hope you'll all achieve some medium ground, but if your parents still say no - please, listen to them. Even if you feel their reasons are invalid, they are still your parents and until you bacome an adult legally they are responsible for you. You wouldn't want to hurt your parents, would you?

Fuzzy

ps BTW I know Cental is being very cool with gauging but by encouraging you to "think for yourself" he is not really doing that- what he is doing he is encouraging you to do against your parents which is NOT "thinking for yourself".
because who knows what would you think if you REALLY thought for yourself.
also, encouraging minor to disobeying your parent IS NOT a GOOD FRIEND advice. I am sure you know it.
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I've been thinking about it for 3 years
 
Audiofuzzy said:
>>>On that note that's what my parents do they think by letting me do this i'm gonna become full goth sorry no i do not look good in black lol and that's what i've been trying to tell my parents i honestly don't think i'm gonna go past and 8 so why freak cause it will go back<<<

>> they think by letting me do this i'm gonna become full goth<<

Her parents thinking she may go gothic full way DOES NOT mean they think it reflects on them

>>sorry no i do not look good in black lol <<
Lil Girl is joking here there is no fear of her going full goth

>>>and that's what i've been trying to tell my parents<<<
she says she tried to reassure her parents she won't go full goth (because she doesn't even think she look good in black)

>>i honestly don't think i'm gonna go past and 8 so why freak cause it will go back<<

right NOW she THINKS she won't go bigger than that 8 g,
and since according to you (you still DID NOT GUARANTEED IT) the hole will shrink back so why freak out.
BTW it means she has pre-conceived notion of having her hole closed up, proof that she does have mixed feelings about gauging.


NOWHERE it says her parents don't want her to do that because it reflects on them. NOWHERE.

Fuzzy
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In her initial response she stated her parents would not allow it because it means she has low self esteem and it is irreversible. They're making assumptions in order to convince her not to do it. Add that to the "fear of going goth," and if you take that at face value, you're an idiot. Why would her parent's not want her to "go goth?" Because they are afraid of what people will think and say. If you don't think I'm right now, why not ask Lil_Country_Gal, herself?
 
>>>In her initial response she stated her parents would not allow it because it means she has low self esteem and it is irreversible. They're making assumptions in order to convince her not to do it. Add that to the "fear of going goth," and if you take that at face value, you're an idiot. Why would her parent's not want her to "go goth?" Because they are afraid of what people will think and say. If you don't think I'm right now, why not ask Lil_Country_Gal, herself?<<<

Now YOU are making assumptions.

Regardless of her parents reasons, she's 15, she's underage, as long as she's living in their home and they take care of her - sorry, like it or not, she needs to listen to them.

If you think that's unfair too bad.
You are not her parent.
Do NOT encourage a minor to disobey her parents. It's immature, it's wrong.
And,
as already it's pointed out to you, Lil' girl asked HOW TO CONVINCE her parents to PERMIT her to gauge her ears not if "DO IT or NOT anyway".

The only thing you can do you can give her ideas how to talk to her parents to make them warm up to the idea.
Stop arguing "she's not a child, she's mature enough, she knows what she wants, if she wants to go gothic why not".

Because her parents does not allow that, that's WHY.

Fuzzy


Lil Girl.
Then keep talking to your parents. as I've said, show that you really want it, ask them to go with you to the shop where it's done so they can ask QQ themselves. Agree on the size of the hole, and most important point out you do good at school and you are responsible - I hope you are just that.

But if your parents still won't allow that- please, they are your parents, listen to them, even if you think they are un reasonable and silly.
In three years, you'll be legally adult and then you'll be able to make more decision for yourself.

There is really no hurry.. and I think your parents would be very hurt if you disobeyed and that can bring more distrust and more problems in the future..

good luck..

Fuzzy
 
Well I have 15 y old and I did thought what if my daughter was convinced by some misguided immature adult to go defiantly against my wishes.
because ,you see, what you don't realise, the implications of encouraging a child to disregard parent's say is far more and beyond "silly ear holes".

You don't have children of your own, you don't understand what being a parent is, you don't know how destructive it can be for a child itself to not to respect it's parents, even if the parents are not the smartest egg in the nest.
They are still the parents, and they should be obeyed, and most families are "normal" families to have no plm with knowing what's reasonbale and what's not.
You see, her parents also do have rights to not to wish her to have this or that and that's their right.
She will have a lifetime to to to her body whatever she wants, why should she have it NOW and against hert parents wishes?

parents' wishes doesn't count?

You mentioned you were taking care of your self at an early age.
Well LilGirl seems not to take care of herself yet. That's the difference between you and her. You could do what you wanted she needs to negotiate and obey.

And once again, suggestion to do what you want to heck what parent's think is NOT "thinking for yourself".

Fuzzy
 
self mutilation is like...penis mutilation, where guys slice open their dicks and wrap it around their balls or stick metal poles down the hole, thats mutilation.
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An Ogrish fan aren't we?
 
Ok here we go this is what's going down here i'm trying to talk to my parents which isn't exactly going well because they won't listen to me so i'm going to start i'm only going to 14 g before my sisters wedding my parents knowing mine won't notice and after my sisters wedding i will go extremely slow i wo'nt switch my gauges till they are almost falling out so i don't rip my ears so if i do wanna take them out they will go back i know they will because my best friend has his at 2 g took them out for football and in 2 months they went back down to 6g my parents are extremely stick you guys on here don't know my parents they want me to be this perfect little prep not to do anything rash and not have any bf's like my sister well i'm not my sister and i don't want to be my sister i want to be my own person and do my own things. I have a feeling once my parents see why i'm doing this and it will go back they will relax. i'm just hopinh this is somthing that my parents start to understand it took them about 3 months to understand that i was obsessed with the color green and everything i wear has to have somthing green in it and they finally understand why i have a feeling that is gonna end up happning with this
 
Audiofuzzy said:
You mentioned you were taking care of your self at an early age.
Well LilGirl seems not to take care of herself yet. That's the difference between you and her. You could do what you wanted she needs to negotiate and obey.

And once again, suggestion to do what you want to heck what parent's think is NOT "thinking for yourself".

Fuzzy
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And on that note i do take care of myself alot my parents work together and own their own buisness so they are always at work i see my mom in the morning and than she picks me up from school my dad i see him sleeping in the morning he wakes about 5 min before i leave than gets home after i go to bed and am asleep i usaully take care of myself and our dogs till my mom gets home at usually somewhere around 8 i do take care of myself i make mostly alot of my own decessions so i don't know why they are freaking about this little thing
 
Lil_country_gal said:
...what are your opinions on this matter?
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I am not going to tell you what to do. Just want to give you something to think about.

Have you ever looked at some really old guy's ears? I mean, really old, like 80's or 90's. Usually they have bristly tufts of hair growing out of their ears. Also, they have really, really, long droopy lobes. Euwwww!

Did you know that old people go to plastic surgeons to shorten their naturally sagging ear lobes?

Just my opinion, but if I were a cute young girl, the last thing I would want is any of my body parts looking like I borrowed them from some old gramps.
 
being on your own most of the time is not the same as living by yourself and supporting yourself, what I had in mind was going to work, earning your own money and living at your own place which unfortunately does happen to 15, 16 y old.
If your father and mother supports you then you are not on your own - you spend a lot of time alone, that's all.
But I see you have your mind set firmly on getting the ears done.
Well it's your life, however i do see why are you going ahead since you wrote your parents won't hear none of it.
I am sorry it is turning this way, though. I wish you'd listen to your parents. What's your hurry.
I think they maybe are sort of old fashioned, or scared of new and unusual things or maybe they think you may become one of those rebel Centals :)
like if they let you do one thing you'll do more.. that sort of things..



Fuzzy
 
***Audiofuzzy
being on your own most of the time is not the same as living by yourself and supporting yourself, what I had in mind was going to work, earning your own money and living at your own place which unfortunately does happen to 15, 16 y old.
If your father and mother supports you then you are not on your own - you spend a lot of time alone, that's all.
But I see you have your mind set firmly on getting the ears done.
Well it's your life, however i do see why are you going ahead since you wrote your parents won't hear none of it.
I am sorry it is turning this way, though. I wish you'd listen to your parents. What's your hurry.
I think they maybe are sort of old fashioned, or scared of new and unusual things or maybe they think you may become one of those rebel Centals
like if they let you do one thing you'll do more.. that sort of things..****


I'm in no hurry remember i've been wanting to do this for about 3 years now and the opertunity has finally come up i have waited an extreme amout of time i'm sick of waiting i have been thinking and rethinking and re thinking this i really wanna get it done
Also i do have a job and i do pay for most of my crap the only thing i usually don't pay for is food but i'm sure soon that will change and your right my parents are extremely old fashion like i said they want me to be this perfect child and do everything they wish well that's just not who i am
 
Well then don't forget to post a piccie of your newly gauged ears :)
Just remember be responsible make sure everything is sterilised and properly taken care of.
Hope it won't hurt too much.

Fuzzy

ps and if any plms arise do not dawdle get to the dr pronto even if that means you'll get your parents mad. better them mad than you being sick.
 
Lil_country_gal said:
***Audiofuzzy
being on your own most of the time is not the same as living by yourself and supporting yourself, what I had in mind was going to work, earning your own money and living at your own place which unfortunately does happen to 15, 16 y old.
If your father and mother supports you then you are not on your own - you spend a lot of time alone, that's all.
But I see you have your mind set firmly on getting the ears done.
Well it's your life, however i do see why are you going ahead since you wrote your parents won't hear none of it.
I am sorry it is turning this way, though. I wish you'd listen to your parents. What's your hurry.
I think they maybe are sort of old fashioned, or scared of new and unusual things or maybe they think you may become one of those rebel Centals
like if they let you do one thing you'll do more.. that sort of things..****


I'm in no hurry remember i've been wanting to do this for about 3 years now and the opertunity has finally come up i have waited an extreme amout of time i'm sick of waiting i have been thinking and rethinking and re thinking this i really wanna get it done
Also i do have a job and i do pay for most of my crap the only thing i usually don't pay for is food but i'm sure soon that will change and your right my parents are extremely old fashion like i said they want me to be this perfect child and do everything they wish well that's just not who i am
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If you're seriouslt going through with it, keep these things in mind. Only stretch one gauge at a time. Don't try to skip gauges. You start stretching too fast, and you're asking for permanent damage. I've had several friends with this problem. Also, make sure your holes are fully stretched before starting over. This will not only reduce the amount of pain, if any, but it will ensure an easier stretch. For some people it only takes a week, for some, it takes a month for their holes to fully stretch. Don't rush it. Also, if you ever attempt to move up a gauge and start seeing blood, stop immediately. Sterlilize the plugs that you previously had in, wash out you ear good with with rubbing alcohol, Bactine, salt water, or whatever you may have to sanitize skin with. At this point, do not stretch until your ears have healed. I've had some big problems with this before, and my ears ended up getting infected. I'm not going to describe the infection. Just know you don't want it, otherwise you'll be cleaning those plugs out every 5 minutes. Bleeding only became a problem for me when I started getting to the larger gauges. Gauges 10 through 4, were as simple as sliding the plug in there. No pain. 4 through 0 were hell. Best of luck to you.
 
Go for it, if I had some kids of my own... I would let them do whatever they want when they are 15, 16. I was like that when i was 15, 16 i did whatever i wanted. Laws------ :gives: :fu: the laws
 
>>Laws------ the laws<<<

oh no now YOU don't start me on another subject. who need the laws ? YOU DO.

suppose I will come to your house kick you in the teeth take whatever I want... who cares about the laws..

Fuzzy
 
thanks you guys and of course i will post pics all the way up. and LAWS MUCH NEEDED i can't wait guys i'm like jumping up and down in excitement and cental with keep all of that in mind i will be extremely careful about going slow
 
>>>Fuzzy..... Like u would try <<<<

I assure you I can be quite insane.. :lol:

Fuzzy
 
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