On Obama's big day, Bill Ayers speaks

[jasin]

What are you trying to suggest about Obama by bringing up Ayers?

 

[jasin]

All good points.

And unlike Bush, Ayers wasn't indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions of Iraqis and Afghanis as the result of two misguided wars.

No comparison.

Good points.

 

[darkdog]

Not according to the legal system, he didn't. He was never convicted of anything, only accused. Unfortunately, some appear to believe that accusation and conviction are the same thing around here.:roll:

He has also accomplished many postive things over the past 30 years. Funny how people ignore that, and concentrate on something that occurred 3 decades ago that he was never even found guilty of. All in a misquided attempt to discredit someone else.

The only reason he is free is because of a technicality- the evidence was improperly gathered and thrown out. Ayers himself admitted to that- "Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country." He deserves his rights as a free citizen, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore what he did.

The guy is one bomb accident away from being a Timothy McVeigh at Ft. Dix and he remains unapologetic about it. He is a would-be mass murderer. The fact that he has any influence over young minds at all is disturbing. Perhaps that partially explains why education is a joke in this country.

All good points.

And unlike Bush, Ayers wasn't indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions of Iraqis and Afghanis as the result of two misguided wars.

No comparison.

Did you see how you agreed with jillio that accusation and conviction are not the same thing and then went off on Bush for things he has not been convicted of?

 

[jillio]

The only reason he is free is because of a technicality- the evidence was improperly gathered and thrown out. Ayers himself admitted to that- "Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country." He deserves his rights as a free citizen, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore what he did.

The guy is one bomb accident away from being a Timothy McVeigh at Ft. Dix and he remains unapologetic about it. He is a would-be mass murderer. The fact that he has any influence over young minds at all is disturbing. Perhaps that partially explains why education is a joke in this country.


Did you see how you agreed with jillio that accusation and conviction are not the same thing and then went off on Bush for things he has not been convicted of?

Ayers was not the leader of this country, nor was he elected by the American people as such.

We are all "would be mass murderers" given the proper circumstances. Can't convict someone for something that has a .1% possibility of happening at some time in the future.

 

[jasin]

The only reason he is free is because of a technicality- the evidence was improperly gathered and thrown out. Ayers himself admitted to that- "Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country." He deserves his rights as a free citizen, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore what he did.

The guy is one bomb accident away from being a Timothy McVeigh at Ft. Dix and he remains unapologetic about it. He is a would-be mass murderer. The fact that he has any influence over young minds at all is disturbing. Perhaps that partially explains why education is a joke in this country.


Did you see how you agreed with jillio that accusation and conviction are not the same thing and then went off on Bush for things he has not been convicted of?

Tainted evidence is not a technicality.

tainted evidence legal definition of tainted evidence. tainted evidence synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

 

[jasin]

Once again, what are you trying to suggest about Obama by bringing up Ayers?

 

[jillio]

No, I offered my help because you asked me to. The thread with the link was created FEW WEEKS before Obama won at election (Please check the date of my thread). Reba updated my thread with new article few days ago over him and Canada issue which is not relate my link of first thread. You asked me for link of my first thread because the article in first link disappeared. I pasted the exact title of my thread to ask google for you because you asked me to .

Right. We all read the original article months ago. If anyone wants to read it now, all they have to do is go to the website of the newspaper in the link, and search the archives for the article.

 

[darkdog]

Ayers was not the leader of this country, nor was he elected by the American people as such.

We are all "would be mass murderers" given the proper circumstances. Can't convict someone for something that has a .1% possibility of happening at some time in the future.

I don't mean "bomb accident" in the abstract. I'm referring to a real bomb accident- the one that accidentally blew up a townhouse in Greenwich Village in 1970. It killed three members of the Weather Underground including Ayers' then-girlfriend. It was designed to send nails flying everywhere and kill perhaps hundreds of people at a dance at Fort Dix. If the bomb hadn't exploded early and they were successful in their plans, he would have been a mass murderer.

I am aware he is not an elected representative. Rather, he is an education professor, and as such, he has some degree of influence over the way our children our taught. That's what I find disturbing.

 

[jillio]

I don't mean "bomb accident" in the abstract. I'm referring to a real bomb accident- the one that accidentally blew up a townhouse in Greenwich Village in 1970. It killed three members of the Weather Underground including Ayers' then-girlfriend. It was designed to send nails flying everywhere and kill perhaps hundreds of people at a dance at Fort Dix. If the bomb hadn't exploded early and they were successful in their plans, he would have been a mass murderer.

I am aware he is not an elected representative. Rather, he is an education professor, and as such, he has some degree of influence over the way our children our taught. That's what I find disturbing.

Nor was I referring to a "bomb accident." But when you make up things that "might have" happened, rather than sticking to what actually did happen, you open yourself to all interpretations.

Sorry, but he was not convicted of participating in that incident. If a bullfrog had wings, it wouldn't bump its ass everytime it tries to fly. Can't convict on ifs.

I find it refreshing that education has such professors as this. We need people like him in educational, and all, arenas.

And, when you make an assessment of something that occurred 30 years ago, you need to do so from a contextual, cultural perspective.

 

[shel90]

Once again, what are you trying to suggest about Obama by bringing up Ayers?

I have read about people who voted for McCain make statements saying that Obama is a terrorist cuz of his association with people like Ayers and others. I dont see any mention of Obama associating with him.

 

[jillio]

I have read about people who voted for McCain make statements saying that Obama is a terrorist cuz of his association with people like Ayers and others. I dont see any mention of Obama associating with him.

Yeah, that was Palin's job!

 

[Reba]

...And, when you make an assessment of something that occurred 30 years ago, you need to do so from a contextual, cultural perspective.

OK--30 years ago, in the American cultural context, individuals bombing other people or their property was unacceptable.

 

[jillio]

OK--30 years ago, in the American cultural context, individuals bombing other people or their property was unacceptable.

But protest against government policy was. And again, Ayers was never convicted of bombing either people or property. The best anyone can come up with is that he was accused. I can accuse you of all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean you have been convicted. For those that think our justice system is so infallible, they seem to forget that once a person has been tried and found not guilty, you cannot continue to try them over and over just because you would like to use their past to disparage another.