Occupy Boston is being evicted!!!!

jillio said:
It has garnered support. I posted a story earlier in the thread in the current events section that over 75% of people polled were supportive of OWS and their cause. Now, if they move toward petitions they know they have the support they need.
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I hope so... They should have been doing that all along. We'll see.
 
jillio said:
It has garnered support. I posted a story earlier in the thread in the current events section that over 75% of people polled were supportive of OWS and their cause. Now, if they move toward petitions they know they have the support they need.
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Exactly...it's been an in your face movement...trying to get America's attention about poverty, which has been TOO negelected for the past few decades.......heck those of us in the US are taught to think that poverty is the result of some moral failing, and that poor people somehow "deserve" to be poor or are lesser then middle class people.
It's basicly a new Grapes of Wrath/Great Society thing!
 
deafdyke said:
Exactly...it's been an in your face movement...trying to get America's attention about poverty, which has been TOO negelected for the past few decades.......heck those of us in the US are taught to think that poverty is the result of some moral failing, and that poor people somehow "deserve" to be poor or are lesser then middle class people.
It's basicly a new Grapes of Wrath/Great Society thing!
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This isn't about poverty, it's about the middle class. People in poverty didn't buy houses.

And, based on the Republican blocking of the head of the Consumer Protection Agency recently it doesn't look like OW made ANY clear demand.

Everyone in this city, including the mayor, has been sympathetic, but nobody really knows what to do. If they could point to one specific thing, one specific piece of legislation, and get it turned it would be worth the effort, but they haven't.

So, having them stay in tents a little longer is not a solution. I'm sorry, but you've had your time now do something with it to pay back all the people who baked the cookies and supported you. Otherwise, this is just going to be footnote of people expressing their feelings, nothing more.
 
deafdyke said:
Vacation Guy, you really should hear firsthand what my girls are doing. I think you'd be very impressed.
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It's not that I'm not impressed. It's that I'm frustrated... I'm not blaming anyone, but I don't see what is being accomplished.

In 2012, unless there is an alternative or some questions get on the ballot for the people, there will be no change.

I applaud your girls, but I have to ask, "to what end"?
 
Occupy Wall Street Favor Fading
The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement's support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street's goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don't care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed. But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.
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Occupy Wall Street Favor Fading - Public Policy Polling

A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows that the "Occupy" movement has failed to capture the attention of a majority of Americans, indicating either ambivalence toward it or lack of interest.


The poll finds that 56% of Americans surveyed are neither supporters nor opponents and 59% say they don't know enough to have an opinion about the movement's goals.

The survey, however, does show an increase from 20% to 31% in disapproval of the way the protests are being conducted.

Results are based on phone interviews Saturday and Sunday on the Gallup Daily tracking survey, with a random sample of 996 adults, ages 18 or over, living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, chosen using random-digit dial sampling.

The margin of error is ±4 percentage points
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Poll: 'Occupy' movement fails to capture Americans' interest

Forty-three percent of Americans agree with the views of the "Occupy Wall Street" movement, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll that found a widespread belief that money and wealth should be distributed more evenly in America.


Twenty-seven percent of Americans said they disagree with the movement, which began more than a month ago in lower Manhattan and has since spread across the country and around the world. Thirty percent said they were unsure.
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Poll: 43 percent agree with views of "Occupy Wall Street" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
 
TXgolfer said:
Occupy Wall Street Favor Fading - Public Policy Polling



Poll: 'Occupy' movement fails to capture Americans' interest



Poll: 43 percent agree with views of "Occupy Wall Street" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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Meh, polls. They are fabricated, you know that? If the people do not agree with the OWS protesters, they are idiots. Here's a paste of some stuff from the link I gave a bit back:
The Federal Reserve's 'breathtaking' $7.7 trillion bank bailout
A new report on the 2008 financial crisis reveals some shocking numbers that dramatically exceed the $700 billion TARP bailout
posted on November 28, 2011, at 6:02 PM
Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke says that newly revealed details about the Fed's bank bailout were kept secret to prevent a stigma against banks that took part.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke says that newly revealed details about the Fed's bank bailout were kept secret to prevent a stigma against banks that took part. Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images SEE ALL 25 PHOTOS

A new report by Bloomberg Markets Magazine details trillions of dollars in secret federal loans made to the big banks during the 2008 financial crisis, a process that helped them rake in billions of dollars in undisclosed profits. Here, some key numbers that illuminate the Federal Reserve's "breathtaking" $7.7 trillion bank bailout:

29,000
Pages of federal documents, courtesy of the Freedom of Information Act, and central bank records that Bloomberg combed through to reveal a "fresh narrative of the financial crisis"

More than 21,000
Number of transactions detailed in those pages

$7.7 trillion
Amount in undisclosed loans the Federal Reserve made to struggling financial institutions, according to the new Bloomberg report. That "dwarf the Treasury Department's better-known $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program [TARP]," say Bob Ivry, Bradley Keoun, and Phil Kuntz at Bloomberg

$13 billion
Estimated amount in previously undisclosed profits the six largest banks — JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs Group, and Morgan Stanley — took in, thanks to those loans and the Fed's below-market rates. Unlike the TARP funds, "the loans came with virtually no strings attached for the banks," says Travis Waldron at Think Progress

$160 billion
Amount in TARP funds the big six received

As much as $460 billion
Amount the big six borrowed from the Fed, as calculated by Bloomberg and measured by peak daily debt

$1.2 trillion
Amount that banks referenced in the new report required on Dec. 5, 2008, "their single neediest day." The Federal Reserve didn't reveal to anyone which banks were in such dire need, say Ivry, Keoun, and Kuntz, and "bankers didn't mention that they took tens of billions of dollars in emergency loans at the same time they were assuring investors their firms were healthy."

$86 billion
Amount that Bank of America Corp. owed the central bank when then-CEO Kenneth D. Lewis wrote shareholders saying that he was at the helm of "one of the strongest and most stable banks in the world" on Nov. 26, 2008

$107 billion
Amount in secret loans that Morgan Stanley took in a single month, in September 2008

1 out of 10
Share of the country's delinquent mortgages that amount could have paid off

$6.8 trillion
Total assets held by the big six on Sept. 30, 2006

$9.5 trillion
Total held on Sept. 20, 2011. Rather than help curb the practice that caused the financial crisis, "the Fed and its secret financing helped America's biggest financial firms get bigger and go on to pay employees as much as they did at the height of the housing bubble," say Ivry, Keoun, and Kuntz

Sources: Bloomberg, Business Insider, Think Progress

THAT is what they are protesting, and they are right to do so.
 
Nobody is not agreeing, what they are saying is, "if your goal is to just occupy someplace we are not for it".

I don't think there is a person in America who is not on their side (besides the lobbyist and lawyers of the banks).
 
deafdyke said:
Costs: Occupy vs. Recession | Occupy Boston
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I'm trying to understand the point of this, they can cause 20 trillion dollars worth of damage, but they can't get an elected official to do his/her job?

This is what I want to know: They say you can't evict an idea, can someone tell me what that idea is?

Looking at the web site I can give money to:
Occupy Boston General Fund (where is this money going, to themselves?)
Occupy Boston Wind Turbine Fund (Will this stop Wall Street?)
Occupy Boston legal Defense Fund (AGAIN, to themselves?)
Occupy Boston Greenway Restoration (News flash, the city already maintains it)

The best thing I can see is a tweet(believe it or not):
#OccupyBoston is the beginning of an ongoing conversation about fixing our world: reforming Wall Street, removing special interests from government, preserving our civil liberties, and much more.

While I'm actually for the Boston Turbines, I'm wondering how that is going to accomplish this.

Honestly, I don't think Madoff could have come up with something better than this. Nobody knows where the money is going. Basically, if you have an issue give some money to us and we will, "Talk About it".

deafdyke, I'm behind what you and your children believe in and I think everyone else is too. However, if we solve can't solve one problem this whole thing is just one big Woodstock. And, I'm pissed because it could really make a difference.
 
Isn't capitalism great? Set up an organization with leaderless leaders. Start protesting. Assail all banks as evil and all that. Set up a bank account and wait for sympathetic ears to start depositing money into their account with no idea on accountability behind an organization's motive on how that money will be used.
 
I'm over this whole "Occupy" movement. While the original intentions nay have been good, they are just creating more problems, costing cities ridiculous amounts of money, and seemingly accomplishing nothing.

No offense to the "occupiers", but it's time to go back to the drawing board.
 
Beowulf said:
Costs? You want to talk about costs? Get a load of this: The Federal Reserve's 'breathtaking' $7.7 trillion bank bailout - The Week
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Thank you...I watched this movie the other night with Sean Penn, called Fair Game. In the movie, he wondered why people cared more about his CIA wife than about the fact that George Bush launched war against Iraq based on false assumptions that the found aluminium tubes were intended for nuclear use.

That's exactly how I felt about the OWS thread i started, it was meant to create discussion about the corruptions of Wall Street and the government and yet the thread got taken over by links to articles about what some OWS protestor did or a scuffle with the police as if somehow that was far more of a crime than bankrupting America.

sigh.
 
kokonut said:
Isn't capitalism great? Set up an organization with leaderless leaders. Start protesting. Assail all banks as evil and all that. Set up a bank account and wait for sympathetic ears to start depositing money into their account with no idea on accountability behind an organization's motive on how that money will be used.
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You don't think the banks did anything wrong even though major national newspaper have reported over and over again the laws they broke?

and secondly, that account, among other things, was meant to be used to help state attorneys keep fighting against bank settlements. it's only capitlism if OWs stands to profit from it. Have they done that? Gotten rich from protesting? Hmmm...no.

Occupy Wall Street finds money brings problems too | Reuters
 
CSign said:
I'm over this whole "Occupy" movement. While the original intentions nay have been good, they are just creating more problems, costing cities ridiculous amounts of money, and seemingly accomplishing nothing.

No offense to the "occupiers", but it's time to go back to the drawing board.
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I'm with you. And it's also time for Occupy Harvard movement to get back to the drawing board as well. The whole occupy movement (not just Harvard too) got attention from the world, but now, something needs to be done rather than just sitting in the tent and dirtying the space. I haven't completely thought out the possible actions, but I am sure there are more effective actions, especially if you want to reform Wall Street.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Thank you...I watched this movie the other night with Sean Penn, called Fair Game. In the movie, he wondered why people cared more about his CIA wife than about the fact that George Bush launched war against Iraq based on false assumptions that the found aluminium tubes were intended for nuclear use.

That's exactly how I felt about the OWS thread i started, it was meant to create discussion about the corruptions of Wall Street and the government and yet the thread got taken over by links to articles about what some OWS protestor did or a scuffle with the police as if somehow that was far more of a crime than bankrupting America.

sigh.
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Or blaming Obama.
Idiots.
 
sheila022 said:
I'm with you. And it's also time for Occupy Harvard movement to get back to the drawing board as well. The whole occupy movement (not just Harvard too) got attention from the world, but now, something needs to be done rather than just sitting in the tent and dirtying the space. I haven't completely thought out the possible actions, but I am sure there are more effective actions, especially if you want to reform Wall Street.
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"Adding to suspicions that the Boston police and city officials sought to hide their actions from the public, police reportedly enforced a media blackout. Many officers were seen covering their badge numbers. According to Occupy Boston, "Credentialed press, citizen journalists, academic researchers, and Occupy Boston media members were repeatedly corralled and moved to surrounding areas 50 feet away or more, prohibiting many from thoroughly covering the raid." Livestreamers, medics, and legal observers were also among those targeted and arrested.

Boston, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, New York, and many other cities have now experienced nearly identical raids. Almost always, city officials claim to act in the public interest, citing "health and safety" or "sanitation" as their reason to suppress Occupy. But we know this is a lie. Occupy Boston alone distributed many thousands of meals, lent books, provided shelter for those who had nowhere else to go, and delivered services that the government has refused to provide because they are too busy providing tax breaks to the rich and bailouts to the banks and corporations.

An Occupation is not a hazard; it is a haven. If city governments cared about sanitation, they would not spend thousands of dollars to evict homeless Occupiers. Instead, they could use that money to open more shelters for the homeless, many of whom must live in squalor every day. If the politicians and police are so concerned about health, instead of prioritizing the arrest of peaceful protesters who have harmed no one, why don't they make providing real universal health care their priority?"

Occupy Boston: "We might have been evicted, but we shall not be moved." | OccupyWallSt.org
 
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