Obama Application Questions Gun Ownership

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Beowulf said:
Hmmmm. I don't understand how this is hostile towards gun owners. if you're applying for a position in the federal government, you don't think they're going to ask you if you've ever owned, or currently own, a gun? Or not do background checks, which are dang intrusive as well?
I thought there was more critical thinking in this board than what I've seen so far. :roll:
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Anyone applying for certain levels of government employment (especially those with access to classified information) will have to undergo a background check by the appropriate agency (usually FBI), so those gun registration questions aren't required on the form. The Obama administrators have their own reasons for asking those questions but they have nothing to do with national security.

I've had FBI and NIS security background checks done before, and I was never asked if I owned a gun.
 
Hear Again said:
Unfortunately, yes it does

In fact, it isn't uncommon for severely mentally ill or Deaf people to be shot by police because they don't respond to their requests. I think it's sad. :(

I worry about the same kind of thing happening to me. When I'm off of my meds (and I'm not ashamed to admit this), I have auditory hallucinations. I worry about the day the police come to my door and I'm unable to respond appropriately because I can't think clearly and have lost touch with reality.

I pray that never happens...
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That's a shame. I hope it never happens to you.
 
netrox said:
They are NOT going to discriminate you just because you have guns!
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I was once called, "creepy person", just because I have the gun that was gifted by my great grandpa :(
 
Reba said:
Anyone applying for certain levels of government employment (especially those with access to classified information) will have to undergo a background check by the appropriate agency (usually FBI), so those gun registration questions aren't required on the form. The Obama administrators have their own reasons for asking those questions but they have nothing to do with national security.
mmm, I look in the same crystal ball and I see something different. Heck, if you say you don't own a gun, maybe he'll give you one, heh heh. I am not worried about all the fearmongering over banning guns. There are checks and balances.

I've had FBI and NIS security background checks done before, and I was never asked if I owned a gun.
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You didn't apply to work for the President, did you?
 
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jillio said:
All this question asks is if the applicant owns a gun, and if so, to provide proof of registration. Registration is required by law. Therefore, this question is only attempting to discern if the applicant is law abiding. It is no different in context than any of the previous 58 questions that come before it, nor does it in any way imply that a person who legally owns a gun would be exempt from employment.

This thread is nothing more than another attempt to twist the intent and purpose of a question on an employment application. The purpose is to make people believe that there is something to worry about when there isn't. Don't let such posts influence you, people. You are smarter than that.
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I agree.
 
Reba said:
No, that is not the only question the form asks. It also asks about how you use the gun.

No, it doesn't. It asks if it has ever been used for an illegal purpose.

Not so. Guns are registered by the state (which is a topic for another thread). It is none of the employer's business.

It is the employer's business when it is a government employee and the employer is checking to see if the employee is a law abiding citizen. Or would you prefer that our government employees have stashes of unregistered guns in their possession?
I agree that many of the rest of the questions are also beyond the pale.

Well, the questionnaire will certainly narrow down the field of applicants in a hurry.

As well it should.
Every one can read the entire application form and draw their own conclusions.

How many of you would want to fill out that form for a job?
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How many people on AD are planning to work for the President of the United States?
 
Reba said:
Anyone applying for certain levels of government employment (especially those with access to classified information) will have to undergo a background check by the appropriate agency (usually FBI), so those gun registration questions aren't required on the form. The Obama administrators have their own reasons for asking those questions but they have nothing to do with national security.
I've had FBI and NIS security background checks done before, and I was never asked if I owned a gun.
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That is nothing more than speculation on your part. I don't recall that you have a crystal ball that permits you to see into the mind of others and determine, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what their intentions are.
 
jillio said:
It is the employer's business when it is a government employee and the employer is checking to see if the employee is a law abiding citizen.
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That's what background checks are for. People can lie on applications. An FBI background check will turn up any law breaking history.

It's rather curious that the President-elect wouldn't know whether or not someone he wanted on his Cabinet was "a law abiding citizen." From what kind of pool of candidates is he conducting his search?


Or would you prefer that our government employees have stashes of unregistered guns in their possession?
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Which if they did, I'm sure they would truthfully confess on their application form. :roll:
 
jillio said:
That is nothing more than speculation on your part. I don't recall that you have a crystal ball that permits you to see into the mind of others and determine, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what their intentions are.
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I know that it's not necessary to ask applicants whether or not their guns are registered simply for security reasons--that's why they conduct FBI background checks or NICS. There must be other reasons why they included those questions on the form. One doesn't need a crystal ball to know that.
 
Reba said:
I know that it's not necessary to ask applicants whether or not their guns are registered simply for security reasons--that's why they conduct FBI background checks or NICS. There must be other reasons why they included those questions on the form. One doesn't need a crystal ball to know that.
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Perhaps checking for lies on the application form? Could be checking to see if the FBI check and the answers on the form match up. Especially since you pointed out how easy it is to lie on application forms. Good for Obama for putting in built in safe guards to weed out the dishonesty.
 
jillio said:
Perhaps checking for lies on the application form? Could be checking to see if the FBI check and the answers on the form match up.
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Wow, he must have a lot of confidence in the people he would ask to join his Cabinet and staff! :shock:

Especially since you pointed out how easy it is to lie on application forms. Good for Obama for putting in built in safe guards to weed out the dishonesty.
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Like I posted, what kind of people are in the pool of candidates--gypsies, tramps, and thieves?
 
Reba said:
Wow, he must have a lot of confidence in the people he would ask to join his Cabinet and staff! :shock:


Like I posted, what kind of people are in the pool of candidates--gypsies, tramps, and thieves?
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Doesn't have anything to do with his Cabinet and you know that, Reba.:roll: Stop being such a sore looser.
 
jillio said:
Doesn't have anything to do with his Cabinet and you know that, Reba.:roll: Stop being such a sore looser.
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"A seven-page questionnaire being sent by the office of President-elect Barack Obama to those seeking cabinet and other high-ranking posts..."

Calling me names doesn't change the facts.
 
Reba said:
"A seven-page questionnaire being sent by the office of President-elect Barack Obama to those seeking cabinet and other high-ranking posts..."

Calling me names doesn't change the facts.
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Where exactly does it state on the PDF document that this is an application for employment in Obama's administration. All the document says is "Questionaire".

And making absurd allegations against the candidate you have openly expressed opposition to doesn't change facts, either, Reba.
 
jillio said:
Where exactly does it state on the PDF document that this is an application for employment in Obama's administration. All the document says is "Questionaire".

And making absurd allegations against the candidate you have openly expressed opposition to doesn't change facts, either, Reba.
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How about some non-conservative sources:

The New York Times has provided a link to obtain the job application Barack Obama is asking people in line for senior positions in his administration to fill out.
ABC News: Commentary: Donaldson Examines Obama Job Application

The Obama transition team is sending a seven-page, 63-item questionnaire to every candidate for Cabinet and other high-ranking positions in the incoming administration.
White House job application leaves no stone unturned - CNN.com

A seven-page questionnaire being sent by the office of President-elect Barack Obama to those seeking cabinet and other high-ranking posts may be the most extensive — some say invasive — application ever.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/us/politics/13apply.html
Obama Administration Job Application Requests Info On Embarrassing Emails


There is also this tidbit:

If you apply for a position now, you will not need to apply again after January 20th. Applications submitted now to the Obama-Biden Transition Project will be retained and considered by the Office of Presidential Personnel after President-Elect Obama takes office.
Application Process:

1. Please complete and submit the on-line Expression of Interest Form below.
2. Within a few days, you will receive an email with a link to a more complete on-line application.
3. Upon submitting your full on-line application you will receive an e-mail acknowledgment.
4. If and when you are considered for a specific position, you will be asked to fill out additional forms, including financial disclosures, and be subject to other reviews which may include FBI background checks.
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Change.gov: The Obama-Biden Transition Team | Apply for a job
 
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