No more welfare for drug users

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Alex said:
I've always wondered this. I know every state is different, but let's say someone who is on SSI gets caught and charged for illegal drugs, will their benefits get cut off?
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If they do prison time, the SSI will be cut off while they are incarcerated. They can reapply once they are released.
 
Aleser said:
You can get just as easily addicted to prescription medications, if not moreso. Legality is not an indicator of either safety or addiction potential.

Rich people get employed and make money using drugs because they can pay a doctor to prescribe it, legitimately or not, right dose or not. When they fail a UA, if they're even given one, they just produce a prescription and do just fine.

Poor people get fucked not only out of work, but even now government services, because they can't afford to have a legitimate prescriber of often the same medication, or even less addictive medications, and need to self medicate.

It has nothing to do with addressing the segment of the population that becomes dangerously addicted. These sorts of laws have everything to do with punishing poor people for the same thing that rich people get away with every day.
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True. Prescription drug abuse is a much larger problem than is the use of illegal drugs.

The rest of your post: agreed.
 
jillio said:
If they do prison time, the SSI will be cut off while they are incarcerated. They can reapply once they are released.
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yeah I agree you! that is true!!
 
jillio said:
If they do prison time, the SSI will be cut off while they are incarcerated. They can reapply once they are released.
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Very unlikely, if you did commit a crime and released from prison so you cannot get SSI back until you get rights back, just same example for lose to right to vote too.

If they do reapply then they will be disqualified for while, I believe so.
 
Aleser said:
You can get just as easily addicted to prescription medications, if not moreso. Legality is not an indicator of either safety or addiction potential.
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True.

Rich people get employed and make money using drugs because they can pay a doctor to prescribe it, legitimately or not, right dose or not. When they fail a UA, if they're even given one, they just produce a prescription and do just fine.
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If people are rich and employed, then they aren't eligible for welfare benefits in the first place.

The drug screenings that I had to take always required that you report your prescriptions before you took the test. Then, if the test showed positive for a substance, they would require verification of that prescription showing that it was written and dated prior to the drug test.

Poor people get fucked not only out of work, but even now government services, because they can't afford to have a legitimate prescriber of often the same medication, or even less addictive medications, and need to self medicate.
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If poor people can't afford legitimate prescriptions, then how are they getting the medications that they can't afford that would show up in a drug screening?

It has nothing to do with addressing the segment of the population that becomes dangerously addicted. These sorts of laws have everything to do with punishing poor people for the same thing that rich people get away with every day.
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Are rich people using welfare checks to buy their drugs?
 
Details from the Social Security website:

If you are receiving SSI and you go to prison or jail, (this also includes correctional institutions, such as detention centers, halfway houses, boot camps, etc.) you are not eligible to receive SSI for any full calendar month you are incarcerated. In addition, we cannot pay any retroactive payments while you are incarcerated. We will hold the retroactive payments until you contact SSA and provide proof that you are no longer a prisoner.

Please see our pamphlet, ‘What Prisoners Should Know About Social Security’, or view it online at What Prisoners Need To Know if you want more information about how being in jail or prison affects your SSI benefits.

In most instances, you can apply for SSI benefits and food stamps several months before you expect to be released from prison or jail. See the SSI spotlight on the Prerelease Procedure.

What Prisoners Need To Know


Can I get my benefits started when I am ready to be released?

If your Social Security or SSI benefits were suspended because you were in prison, you can request that they be started. You will need to contact Social Security and provide a copy of your release documents before we can take action on your request.

Example: George was receiving Social Security disability benefits. He was convicted and confined to prison on May 15, 2007, and his benefits were suspended effective with May 2007.
On October 10, 2009, George was released and his benefits were reinstated effective with November 2009. Since Social Security benefits are paid in the month following the month for which they are due, George will receive his November benefit in December.

Example: Sam was receiving SSI disability benefits and was confined to prison on June 7, 2009. He was released on September 7, 2009. His SSI can be reinstated as of September 7. Sam will be eligible for a partial payment for September and full benefits for October.

If you were not receiving either Social Security or SSI benefits before you went to prison or your SSI benefits were terminated, you will need to file a new application for benefits if you think you may be eligible. You should contact Social Security for more information about filing a claim for benefits. You will need to provide proof of your release from prison, in addition to a new application and other documents.

NOTE: We cannot start your benefits until you are actually released. And we must have your official release documents from the jail or prison where you were confined. Please remember to bring your release forms when you visit your local Social Security office. This will help us get your benefits started more quickly.

What Prisoners Need To Know
 
Contrary to popular belief, addiction does NOT necessarily mean lack of productivity. You can be addicted and still do the job.

Caffeine is highly addictive yet it has enabled people to be productive. Amphetamines are addictive but many take them legally (rx) just for performance boost. Alcohol is addictive but many drink to mellow out. New sedatives like Ambien and Lunesta are addictive but many take them for sleep. Some people take Xanax or Valium everyday for decades without apparent ill effects.

My cousin was an alcoholic but he worked til he died of alcoholic complications.
 
netrox said:
Contrary to popular belief, addiction does NOT necessarily mean lack of productivity. You can be addicted and still do the job.

Caffeine is highly addictive yet it has enabled people to be productive. Amphetamines are addictive but many take them legally (rx) just for performance boost. Alcohol is addictive but many drink to mellow out. New sedatives like Ambien and Lunesta are addictive but many take them for sleep. Some people take Xanax or Valium everyday for decades without apparent ill effects.

My cousin was an alcoholic but he worked til he died of alcoholic complications.
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Better known as "functional addicts/alcoholics."
 
Foxrac said:
Very unlikely, if you did commit a crime and released from prison so you cannot get SSI back until you get rights back, just same example for lose to right to vote too.

If they do reapply then they will be disqualified for while, I believe so.
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That hasn't been my experience with deaf prisoners.
 
netrox said:
Contrary to popular belief, addiction does NOT necessarily mean lack of productivity. You can be addicted and still do the job.

Caffeine is highly addictive yet it has enabled people to be productive. Amphetamines are addictive but many take them legally (rx) just for performance boost. Alcohol is addictive but many drink to mellow out. New sedatives like Ambien and Lunesta are addictive but many take them for sleep. Some people take Xanax or Valium everyday for decades without apparent ill effects.

My cousin was an alcoholic but he worked til he died of alcoholic complications.
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My dad was an alcoholic, too, and he worked until he became too sick from cirrhosis of the liver, which killed him.

However, do you really want your surgeon, pilot, bus driver, police officer, dentist, or daycare worker under the influence of any unregulated or unmonitored chemical, especially chemicals that are of unknown quality and quantity?
 
Reba said:
My dad was an alcoholic, too, and he worked until he became too sick from cirrhosis of the liver, which killed him.

However, do you really want your surgeon, pilot, bus driver, police officer, dentist, or daycare worker under the influence of any unregulated or unmonitored chemical, especially chemicals that are of unknown quality and quantity?
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No. :)
 
Somehow I wonder if drug users were mostly white people in Florida and Georgia, how would this all play out?

Drugs is an 'us' v. 'them' thing. Rx drugs and people who can use drugs and function are not criminalized. (Thinking about you, Limbaugh, Lohan, et al.)

Drug use at the hands of low-income (and in those states, mostly black) people need to be excessively 'punished' by making it even more hard for them to feed their kids. WTF?

I don't know if it is a matter of race or poverty, but those things are rarely cut and dry. *sigh*

Donno about you, but why does denying children food or their parents mental health treatment (eg, Medicaid) help in regards to drug use?! It doesn't! No one is going to think, "I better put down this crack. I may get me banned offa the Medicaid rolls!"

Sheesh, let's not stop there. Let's deny welfare to all people who have ever been convicted of anything more than a traffic ticket. That will clear up the streets of America, mmhmm.

:crazy:
 
TheOracle said:
Somehow I wonder if drug users were mostly white people in Florida and Georgia, how would this all play out?
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What makes you think that they aren't?

Drug use at the hands of low-income (and in those states, mostly black) people need to be excessively 'punished' by making it even more hard for them to feed their kids. WTF?
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I assume that it's only the low-income people who would be eligible for welfare money. How do you know that they're using the money for food for their kids and not for drugs or alcohol? What about programs that feed the children directly?

Donno about you, but why does denying children food or their parents mental health treatment (eg, Medicaid) help in regards to drug use?! It doesn't! No one is going to think, "I better put down this crack. I may get me banned offa the Medicaid rolls!"
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In addition to not getting welfare money, they and the children are not getting Medicaid services?

Sheesh, let's not stop there. Let's deny welfare to all people who have ever been convicted of anything more than a traffic ticket. That will clear up the streets of America, mmhmm.
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I thought benefits were denied to current drug users.
 
Reba said:
What makes you think that they aren't?


I assume that it's only the low-income people who would be eligible for welfare money. How do you know that they're using the money for food for their kids and not for drugs or alcohol? What about programs that feed the children directly?


In addition to not getting welfare money, they and the children are not getting Medicaid services?


I thought benefits were denied to current drug users.
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It will be WIC (Women, Infants and Children).
 
Foxrac said:
Very unlikely, if you did commit a crime and released from prison so you cannot get SSI back until you get rights back, just same example for lose to right to vote too.

If they do reapply then they will be disqualified for while, I believe so.
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if they are out of the incarcerate and still is disabled then they can get SS benefits back. Or if they turns 62 then they still can get SS benefits back such as retirement, survivor or SSI.
 
TheOracle said:
Somehow I wonder if drug users were mostly white people in Florida and Georgia, how would this all play out?

Drugs is an 'us' v. 'them' thing. Rx drugs and people who can use drugs and function are not criminalized. (Thinking about you, Limbaugh, Lohan, et al.)

Drug use at the hands of low-income (and in those states, mostly black) people need to be excessively 'punished' by making it even more hard for them to feed their kids. WTF?

I don't know if it is a matter of race or poverty, but those things are rarely cut and dry. *sigh*

Donno about you, but why does denying children food or their parents mental health treatment (eg, Medicaid) help in regards to drug use?! It doesn't! No one is going to think, "I better put down this crack. I may get me banned offa the Medicaid rolls!"

Sheesh, let's not stop there. Let's deny welfare to all people who have ever been convicted of anything more than a traffic ticket. That will clear up the streets of America, mmhmm.

:crazy:
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When you look at the actual demographics of drug addicts, there are more white middle and upper class than there are people of lower SES and of color. They already get a buy in the justice system. It is sooooo erroneous to believe that lower income and Blacks make up the bulk of the drug using population.
 
Frisky Feline said:
if they are out of the incarcerate and still is disabled then they can get SS benefits back. Or if they turns 62 then they still can get SS benefits back such as retirement, survivor or SSI.
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Thank you for confirmation. I knew I wasn't wrong!:giggle:
 
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