New Law Bans Baggy Pants In Schools

Oh so you're saying that kids were born in prison rather than from hospitals? Oh that explains where the baggy pants trend came from...:giggle:

Sarcasm aside, the topic is whether or not as of currently now is baggy pants REALLY an appropriate attire in society? I'm pretty sure this will help alot of them land new jobs, ya know. :roll:

Yiz

What in the world are you talking about?:roll:
 
Umm what does Bill Cobsy's speech have to do with baggy pants? I see a speech directed at people to clean up their acts but while I see mention of saggy pants, that is not the topic. Cleaning up your act and your neighborhood is the topic.
Given the context of his speech, I would say the title is a variation of pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

you beat me to it.
 
One more thing. He was more than familiar with it. And he applied it to larger groups than married couples....

But don't take my word for it.


Choice Theory: A New Psychology of Personal Freedom - review by Morris Haimowitz

Read the link.

First off it is from the International Transactional Analysis Association.

This was a pop psy movement started by Eric Berne in the 60's. Like all pop psy fads it was over simplified, over structured, and over sold (promising far more than it could accomplish).

On the other hand every pop psy fad has a solid base in reality. Such as Maxwell Maltz's "Psycho Cybernetics".

Transactional Analysis had a few serious faults. One was its strict classification of parent, adult, and child, and the other its highly enculturated definition of an adult as "one who gives and receives information".

Whether he intended it to or not Eric Berne's book quickly developed a cult following and those writers who came after him in the same vein were often slammed by the "true believers" as "not adhering strictly to the gospel of Berne." Those who received the greatest criticism were those who attempted to amend some of the over simplifications of the original work.

This book seems to follow a similar pattern.

He does discuss external control psychology, but while Jillio is discussing what I think of as the Authoritarian mind which is exemplified in the statement "Do what I say because I tell you to and if you don't you will be sorry", Glasser discusses helping people, for instance students, abused children, etc. to overcome the paranoid version -- "They are making me do it. I have no control over these things."

Glasser is presenting "External Control Psychology" of the paranoid, or compulsive, version as the opposite of "Choice Theory". Wherein the person feels they have no choice when in fact they do.

Unfortunately there does not seem to be anything new here, just as there was nothing new in Eric Berne's original book "The Games People Play". But that does not mean it would not be an interesting read or that useful information could not be gleaned from it.

One of the obvious shortcomings the link shows is that no mention is made of the fact the only way his techniques can work in a school setting is if the teacher is totally devoid of an authoritarian attitude.

I am personally of the opinion that the authoritarian attitude should be considered a treatable personality disorder at the same level of an obsessive compulsive through paranoid disorder, depending on its severity.
 
Actually, the baggy pants started out in prison. When you wear it low, it means that you're someone's prison bitch and they are to be left alone. Unless you want a severe beating from the guy's 'lover".

A simple Google search will confirm that.....

Yiz

Awwww come on. I thought it was posted as a joke.

It is funny.
 
I actually like most of the book. He goes on what I think is a weird rant on pages 107-113.... The "workless". It sounds almost personal to him.... Even discusses treating them with lithium saying it is worth a shot. I also didn't think much of what he said about choice theory would work in the workplace. I think external control can work in the workplace to a certain extent and in the community to a certain extent. The key is there has to be a reason behind it that can be understood.


Read the link.

First off it is from the International Transactional Analysis Association.

This was a pop psy movement started by Eric Berne in the 60's. Like all pop psy fads it was over simplified, over structured, and over sold (promising far more than it could accomplish).

On the other hand every pop psy fad has a solid base in reality. Such as Maxwell Maltz's "Psycho Cybernetics".

Transactional Analysis had a few serious faults. One was its strict classification of parent, adult, and child, and the other its highly enculturated definition of an adult as "one who gives and receives information".

Whether he intended it to or not Eric Berne's book quickly developed a cult following and those writers who came after him in the same vein were often slammed by the "true believers" as "not adhering strictly to the gospel of Berne." Those who received the greatest criticism were those who attempted to amend some of the over simplifications of the original work.

This book seems to follow a similar pattern.

He does discuss external control psychology, but while Jillio is discussing what I think of as the Authoritarian mind which is exemplified in the statement "Do what I say because I tell you to and if you don't you will be sorry", Glasser discusses helping people, for instance students, abused children, etc. to overcome the paranoid version -- "They are making me do it. I have no control over these things."

Glasser is presenting "External Control Psychology" of the paranoid, or compulsive, version as the opposite of "Choice Theory". Wherein the person feels they have no choice when in fact they do.

Unfortunately there does not seem to be anything new here, just as there was nothing new in Eric Berne's original book "The Games People Play". But that does not mean it would not be an interesting read or that useful information could not be gleaned from it.

One of the obvious shortcomings the link shows is that no mention is made of the fact the only way his techniques can work in a school setting is if the teacher is totally devoid of an authoritarian attitude.

I am personally of the opinion that the authoritarian attitude should be considered a treatable personality disorder at the same level of an obsessive compulsive through paranoid disorder, depending on its severity.
 
No backpeddling at all....I still think the use of the term was "ironic" never said I didn't agree with it.
I think you're incapable of backpedaling. Only one person I know of who have the unique skill to weave skillfully while backpedaling. That'd be my uncle on a unicycle.
 
I think you're incapable of backpedaling. Only one person I know of who have the unique skill to weave skillfully while backpedaling. That'd be my uncle on a unicycle.

ah... that explains about you.... the apple doesn't fall from the tree...
 
Pants On The Ground lyrics


Pants on the Ground
Pants on the Ground

Lookin' like a fool
With your pants on the Ground
With the gold in your mouth
Hat turned sideways
Pants hit the ground

Call yourself a cool cat
With your pants on the ground

Walkin' downtown with your pants on the ground!
Giddy-up


Hey! Get your pants off the ground!
Lookin like a fool!
Walkin' talkin' with your pants on the ground!

Hey! Get your pants off the ground!
Lookin' like a fool
With your pants on the Ground
With the gold in your mouth
Hat turned sideways
Call yourself a cool cat

(repeats)


PANTS ON THE GROUND Lyrics - GENERAL LARRY PLATT
 
It is and all you have to do is "research". Oops, sorry, I said a dirty word in front of a Liberal.

My bad...

Yiz

Coming from a guy that posted a thread dedicated to "Two trillion text messages a day" I think some research can be over-rated, especially biased research.
 
Coming from a guy that posted a thread dedicated to "Two trillion text messages a day" I think some research can be over-rated, especially biased research.

Huh? Two trillion texts a day? Now I gotta see this.
 
Read the link.

First off it is from the International Transactional Analysis Association.

This was a pop psy movement started by Eric Berne in the 60's. Like all pop psy fads it was over simplified, over structured, and over sold (promising far more than it could accomplish).

On the other hand every pop psy fad has a solid base in reality. Such as Maxwell Maltz's "Psycho Cybernetics".

Transactional Analysis had a few serious faults. One was its strict classification of parent, adult, and child, and the other its highly enculturated definition of an adult as "one who gives and receives information".

Whether he intended it to or not Eric Berne's book quickly developed a cult following and those writers who came after him in the same vein were often slammed by the "true believers" as "not adhering strictly to the gospel of Berne." Those who received the greatest criticism were those who attempted to amend some of the over simplifications of the original work.

This book seems to follow a similar pattern.

He does discuss external control psychology, but while Jillio is discussing what I think of as the Authoritarian mind which is exemplified in the statement "Do what I say because I tell you to and if you don't you will be sorry", Glasser discusses helping people, for instance students, abused children, etc. to overcome the paranoid version -- "They are making me do it. I have no control over these things."

Glasser is presenting "External Control Psychology" of the paranoid, or compulsive, version as the opposite of "Choice Theory". Wherein the person feels they have no choice when in fact they do.

Unfortunately there does not seem to be anything new here, just as there was nothing new in Eric Berne's original book "The Games People Play". But that does not mean it would not be an interesting read or that useful information could not be gleaned from it.

One of the obvious shortcomings the link shows is that no mention is made of the fact the only way his techniques can work in a school setting is if the teacher is totally devoid of an authoritarian attitude.

I am personally of the opinion that the authoritarian attitude should be considered a treatable personality disorder at the same level of an obsessive compulsive through paranoid disorder, depending on its severity.

Someone who actually gets it. So refreshing.

Yes, I read the book recently. I have a client who read it, and had gone off on a tangent. I needed to see what exactly what she was proclaiming to have found as a "cure." Quite obviously, she was misinterpreting much of what was in the book as I am seeing others do. She has a serious mental illness, and my concern was that she had taken Glasser's theory of choice as applied to mental illness too literally, to the degree that she believed she no longer needed her meds, and could choose to not be mentally ill. Unfortunately, one has attempted to take the fact that I stated I was reading the book some time ago and connect it to the fact that I have made a statement regarding a well known psychologicial phenomena such as external control psychology, and then somehow imply that I was plagairising Glasser's work. The result was a huge mistake in reasoning, and a blatant portrayal of ulterior motive.
And you are correct. Choice theory, and reality therapy for which it was a framework, have fallen into disuse because of the great risk of them being misinterpreted and misused. At best, some therapists will incorporate a few premises of reality therapy when appropriate with specific clients. However, as a theoretical position, you won't find many that claim it.

I completely agree re: the authoritarian personality.
 
I actually like most of the book. He goes on what I think is a weird rant on pages 107-113.... The "workless". It sounds almost personal to him.... Even discusses treating them with lithium saying it is worth a shot. I also didn't think much of what he said about choice theory would work in the workplace. I think external control can work in the workplace to a certain extent and in the community to a certain extent. The key is there has to be a reason behind it that can be understood.

Then you have misunderstood the vast majority of what you have read. Glasser was infamous for being anti-medication.:cool2: Not to mention which you have missed the point he made regarding an external psychology approach to the larger social relationships. He very plainly states that it is not possible in the larger societal relationships, including the workplace. But then, as another poster stated, those addicted to external control will never understand that. The fact that you have failed to grasp Glasser's basic premise, even though you claim to have read the book, is evidence of that.
 
Oh please. It started long ago in cotton fields where the slaves had their hands full, making them unable to pull their pants up. I've asked a few kids why they wear pants like that and what it means to them, and they said that they are going for the "lean and mean" look in honor of their ancestors.
Sounds lame to me. How many young guys are really thinking that? How does wearing baggy designer jeans and showing patterned boxers while NOT involved in any kind of manual labor show honor to one's ancestors?
 
Sounds lame to me. How many young guys are really thinking that? How does wearing baggy designer jeans and showing patterned boxers while NOT involved in any kind of manual labor show honor to one's ancestors?

Beats me. That was the answer I was given a couple years ago by a couple of teen saggers at a bus stop.
Snopes is not the end-all. They claimed that rumors that porpoises being used as weapons by the military were false, but have since been found out to be fact.
 
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