N.C.: Program Pays $1/Day to Girls For Not Getting Pregnant

Lighthouse77 said:
doing drugs is far different than pregnancy because for one, sex is something most people will eventually do, it is the matter of asking them to at least wait. Drugs is something people should NEVER do.

And other, once someone become a drug addict, We don't really pay for his education and such as we do with a child. In fact, when a teenage do become pregnant, their child is far more likely to become a drug addict do to stress (like poverty due parents dropping out of school, or the teen mother resent her child, being put in foster homes, etc.) So that's why we have a welfare system in the first place. We should award people for preventing pregnancy not the other way around.

i read about how girls back in the old day were treated with nice things (quilts, tea set, etc.) as gifts before she get married. She save it in a chest for when she start a family on her own (That's basically what $1 a day is really, an investment for their future family -- college) . i'm sure they would stop giving her these things if she got pregnant before marriage.
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Exactly. An investment on their future. A woman gets the chance to go to college unecumbered and pursue her dreams with support and advocacy. It's better to aim for a degree and a career to become productive members of society. Thus we see net savings in return for taxpayers because that's one less person on the welfare roll saving us tens of thousands of dollars over the short and even long term.

With 119 girls out of 125 since 1997 managed to stay out of trouble and not get pregant is, in my book, an astounding success. I would much rather pay the dollar a day than the welfare for a lifetime. Thus a net savings for us taxpayers. A win-win-win situation.
 
Exactly Pupopiyo

I don't pay my boys (no matter either girl or boy) with money or materials for their good grades, chores or good behavior but praise them with compliments because my boys should not be taught to respond to money/material and think money/material is everything.

I don't pay them for their good grades because they should learn to understand that their good grades should be something value for themselves and their future, not for money and materials... I take my boys to their favorite resturant to celebrate their good grades.

I don't pay them for their chores because I want them learn what help and respect is about...

I don't pay them for their good behavior but discipline them into right path... to teach them what right or wrong.

I don´t pay them for not sex but positive them about their future.

My mother had me when she was 17 years old and don´t pay me to sex but taught me to think my own future, not hurry to get pregnant.


Yes, my boys received monthly allowance from us since they were little because it teaches them to be responsible with money, (split up for savings and spend...)

 
Liebling:-))) said:
Exactly Pupopiyo

I don't pay my boys (no matter either girl or boy) with money or materials for their good grades, chores or good behavior but praise them with compliments because my boys should not be taught to respond to money/material and think money/material is everything.

I don't pay them for their good grades because they should learn to understand that their good grades should be something value for themselves and their future, not for money and materials... I take my boys to their favorite resturant to celebrate their good grades.

I don't pay them for their chores because I want them learn what help and respect is about...

I don't pay them for their good behavior but discipline them into right path... to teach them what right or wrong.

I don´t pay them for not sex but positive them about their future.

My mother had me when she was 17 years old and don´t pay me to sex but taught me to think my own future, not hurry to get pregnant.


Yes, my boys received monthly allowance from us since they were little because it teaches them to be responsible with money, (split up for savings and spend...)
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:gpost: That's what my parents do to me too, they prefer to take me out with them or a gift for something that I did good too. I would feel like they are proud of me that way rather than just the money.
 
I don't know what to think of this honestly..... but it seems to me that these girls won't learn..... it's like basically handing the money to them to make sure they don't get pregnant.
 
kokonut said:
You made my point very clear. Since you bear the burden in risking pregnancy. It stops right there. Therefore, no further risk.

If a girl ask me to have sex (that is you saying ok for sex) and she already made up her mind and accepts the risk of pregnancy. If you get pregnant despite preventative measures the fault equally falls on you and me. But you already lost your dream of going to college (assuming you bear this pregnancy to term). You have much more to lose, rather than the boy. So, what are the chances of that boy bailing out once he hears you got pregnant? Either the boy own up to his words or be a coward. So, in order to preserve you dream of going to college and not risk getting pregnant you first line of defense to that dream is say no to sexual intercourse that would guarantee 100% no pregnancy will happen. That's what I meant by first line of defense. Nothing sexist about it. If YOU want to take charge of your destiny of going to college then it's all up to you to ensure that.
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I understand what you are saying. You have expanded a lot of thoughts in this which is reasonable because normally a girl would bear a lot of responsibilities when a newborn comes in the picture (granted, if the father of the baby bails out). The girl that gets pregnant may have sacrificed a lot but if the boy bails out and gets hunted after footing the child support issue - then the boy will also realize that he will have to sacrifice a lot too.

I don't think the dream of attending a college is all lost. When one gets pregnant, they can bear that responsibility and put college on hold until later on and they can always get back on track with that. Of course, not every one can do that but to few, they will. If they will, they can put it off for few years until otherwise.

There's nothing sexist about this either. All I am saying is that when it comes to the first line of defense - it should rather fall on both of their shoulders instead of just entirely on the girl's shoulder. We all know that too often, the girls gets it more than the boys does but, if not at least let them learn how to do it right than being bought out by this such said program to pay $1 a day for that.

Sure, the money may sound good and it could be a good motivation for others to practice abstinence in order to prevent teen pregnancies but why do we have to allow that to happen just because nothing else is working? If that's the case, I'd find it saddening.
 
Jolie77 said:
I understand what you are saying. You have expanded a lot of thoughts in this which is reasonable because normally a girl would bear a lot of responsibilities when a newborn comes in the picture (granted, if the father of the baby bails out). The girl that gets pregnant may have sacrificed a lot but if the boy bails out and gets hunted after footing the child support issue - then the boy will also realize that he will have to sacrifice a lot too.

I don't think the dream of attending a college is all lost. When one gets pregnant, they can bear that responsibility and put college on hold until later on and they can always get back on track with that. Of course, not every one can do that but to few, they will. If they will, they can put it off for few years until otherwise.

There's nothing sexist about this either. All I am saying is that when it comes to the first line of defense - it should rather fall on both of their shoulders instead of just entirely on the girl's shoulder. We all know that too often, the girls gets it more than the boys does but, if not at least let them learn how to do it right than being bought out by this such said program to pay $1 a day for that.

Sure, the money may sound good and it could be a good motivation for others to practice abstinence in order to prevent teen pregnancies but why do we have to allow that to happen just because nothing else is working? If that's the case, I'd find it saddening.
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True that dream for college isn't lost but then that means you have a much , much bigger hurdle in front of you. Today's alternative is easier when you can take courses online but the challenge is there, alot more than what people do not realize.

I disagree with you idea of first line of defense. Saying "no" does not require the approval of her boyfriend(s). No means no, end of story. First line of defense. That is what I'm talking about. That "no" ends any possibility of getting pregnant. And allows her to keep the focus on her dream of going to college unencumbered. Now, saying "yes' would involve a second line of defense from both partners, equally so on responsibilities, on preventative measures to reduce the risk of getting pregnant.

I find it rather refreshing to see that these low cost measures produce postive results. It's an investment that pays back in returns by producing productive members. Welfare is not an investment and does not produce productive members in society. This program is based on positive re-inforcement, accountability and responsibility, and self-esteem. A win-win situation.
 
~*Kaelei*~ said:
I don't know what to think of this honestly..... but it seems to me that these girls won't learn..... it's like basically handing the money to them to make sure they don't get pregnant.
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The money's not great. $1/day. But the end result when they do succeed and finally enroll in college do they finally reap their rewards. Think of it as a scholarship grant. You don't have to pay it back. Certainly a lot cheaper than paying for welfare in support of the baby and mother at the same time.
 
kokonut said:
The money's not great. $1/day. But the end result when they do succeed and finally enroll in college do they finally reap their rewards. Think of it as a scholarship grant. You don't have to pay it back. Certainly a lot cheaper than paying for welfare in support of the baby and mother at the same time.
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I see your point. Just afraid that it will teach girls that if they behave, they will get a reward. I just hope the parents of those girls who are in that program will make that clear to them that it is one incentive but it wont always be like that in real life and that making the right decisions and then feeling good about themselves is ultimately the biggest reward anyone could ever achieve.
 
kokonut said:
The money's not great. $1/day. But the end result when they do succeed and finally enroll in college do they finally reap their rewards. Think of it as a scholarship grant. You don't have to pay it back. Certainly a lot cheaper than paying for welfare in support of the baby and mother at the same time.
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There's scholarship or FAFSA that help people who are poor or those who did very good at high school to be able to go to the school. It's not only for those who already have baby or those who doesn't, it's for everyone.

I agree with Kalaei's post, I felt the same thing as what she just said.
 
shel90 said:
I see your point. Just afraid that it will teach girls that if they behave, they will get a reward. I just hope the parents of those girls who are in that program will make that clear to them that it is one incentive but it wont always be like that in real life and that making the right decisions and then feeling good about themselves is ultimately the biggest reward anyone could ever achieve.
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It's not that. It's the realization once they finally reached their goal they will see that it took a lot of hard work and willpower to get where they are. That is their reward. Getting to the end in order to have a new beginning. They had to attend a weekly meeting which is a support group which helped each other avoid the pitfalls of getting pregnant. With 119 out 126 who didn't get pregnant or did not drop out since the program started in 1997, I'd say that's a far more telling story of success and that the girls themselves feel pretty darn good about themselves. That $1/day is only half of the story. The rest is hard work.
 
kokonut said:
It's not that. It's the realization once they finally reached their goal they will see that it took a lot of hard work and willpower to get where they are. That is their reward. Getting to the end in order to have a new beginning. They had to attend a weekly meeting which is a support group which helped each other avoid the pitfalls of getting pregnant. With 119 out 126 who didn't get pregnant or did not drop out since the program started in 1997, I'd say that's a far more telling story of success and that the girls themselves feel pretty darn good about themselves. That $1/day is only half of the story. The rest is hard work.
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That's good. I believe that hard work builds better character and better self-esteem. Too many teenagers have low self-esteem these days and try to encompass it with the wrong actions/things.
 
kokonut said:
It's not that. It's the realization once they finally reached their goal they will see that it took a lot of hard work and willpower to get where they are. That is their reward. Getting to the end in order to have a new beginning. They had to attend a weekly meeting which is a support group which helped each other avoid the pitfalls of getting pregnant. With 119 out 126 who didn't get pregnant or did not drop out since the program started in 1997, I'd say that's a far more telling story of success and that the girls themselves feel pretty darn good about themselves. That $1/day is only half of the story. The rest is hard work.
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I am glad they have a support group. That shows they are being educated about it.

I just wish they would do the same to the young men. Since they also need to be educated about sex, and the consequences of it.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
There's scholarship or FAFSA that help people who are poor or those who did very good at high school to be able to go to the school. It's not only for those who already have baby or those who doesn't, it's for everyone.

I agree with Kalaei's post, I felt the same thing as what she just said.
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The money isn't simply handed out. Remember, the money is collected to help pay for college once they enroll in college. They may not see the money 3, 4, 5 or 6 years down the road depending on how old they were when they started in the program. They do not see a dime until they graduate from high school, get accepted into college and enroll. It's the hard work that got them there for them to earn that money in the first place. It allows them to target a goal for themselves.
 
Babyblue said:
I am glad they have a support group. That shows they are being educated about it.

I just wish they would do the same to the young men. Since they also need to be educated about sex, and the consequences of it.
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There are tons of support groups for college bound high school kids.

"support group" "college bound" "high school" - Google Search

Just look around in your area or nearby. There are always opportunities to start new programs. Just like that nurse who decided to set up a program for college bound girls in the effort to help stop pregnancy in teen girls.
 
Hmm, dunno if this scheme a good idea in the long run, i mean picture this, sponsoring the every girls in highschool $1 a day, $365a year PER girl, imagine this in every school , every year, this amounts far more than bargained for say welfare support. So I'm saying this idea of bribery would be far more expensive to support ALL girls not to get preggy (and even that using 'contracts' with 'a right for refund to govt should a pregnancy occur - breaking the contract might help) but end of the day this is bloody more bloody expensive than looking after the fewer, (1/4 less of the female population?). This view could be understood if you consider to count EVERY girls in high school in every schools of every state (in USA) then compare it, maybe im wrong since the cost of babies clothing, food, medicines, schooling in the long term _ hence that idea of bribery, but......)

I dont agree entirey that the welfare support should be removed it is for those unable to find work, or in unwanted situation as being forced to raise a child due to their boyfriends running away, all sorts of situation not the fault of the girl/woman. I like the Canadian system, full support for the 1st child, half for the 2nd and no support for the third - I strongly think this is needed for New Zealand. There are too many households receiving benefits and having more than 5 children, often hitting up to 8, to me that's not right. But for solo mums with 1 or 2, I have found they are usually victims of the first marriage with that long term of only having 2 children. Some are oppurtunist but not as many as you'd think.

Indeed some aspects of welfare system is flawed but i disagree with it being outdated. Whats outdated is the mode of expectation to HAVE a baby as a "girls dream", that society somewhat advertise this idea. On other hand there are numerous conflicting ideas been broadcasted as well, that is having 'own choice' that is, to be a career women, or be a solo mother and so on. As for the solo mother idea as a deliberate 'choice' is flawed, in this particular regard kokonut, i agree with you, but it is extremely difficult to unravel the message now done with the 20 years in the making of the so-called progresssive social policy, mainly thanks to numerous erroneous misinterpretation of the third wave Femninism, and rampant media distortion glamourising this choice, there is something we can't avoid and is extremely difficult to eradicate is the 'biological clock' to have babies so they say - even my feminist professor friend said so to me.
 
That there is.

A well needed one, for the young men, as much as the women.

Due to STD is also on the rise. Not just teen pregnancy.
 
kokonut said:
The money isn't simply handed out. Remember, the money is collected to help pay for college once they enroll in college. They may not see the money 3, 4, 5 or 6 years down the road depending on how old they were when they started in the program. They do not see a dime until they graduate from high school, get accepted into college and enroll. It's the hard work that got them there for them to earn that money in the first place. It allows them to target a goal for themselves.
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But my point is that, if we would support that program then what about those boys who would like to have support to not have sex with the girls and get $1 each day? What about those teenage who have drugs addict problem and recovered, then they want to have support to have $1 each day to stay away from the drugs to be educated? What about those teenage who have anger problem? So on...

It's kinda unfair for others while only those girls can get $1 to not be pregnanted, but if we can make it equal, it would be even more costly for the government to support.

FAFSA and the scholarship is here if the teenagers are very serious with the school and improve their education strength. Even the adults could apply and to be qualify, it's for everyone.
 
I can imagine the announcement at their graduation...

"These women have received $3,000 scholarship for not getting pregnant."
 
Banjo said:
U.S. teen birth rate up again, fewer preterm babies

Seems like you're right.
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That is why I feel educating both sexes. Not just relying on the young ladies to be the first line of defense. Even though they suffer a deeper consequence of having to carry and bear the child.

The young men also need to learn of the consequences. and learn to use their own first line of defense. To prevent them from being a young father.

Many young children have to struggle with the facts they are parents. It is sad.


Seems that they have many programs. Majority of them are for the young girls. Only a hand full of groups looks out for the young men in society.

Sure the Health Dept hands out free condoms and such. but the outreach for the males needs to be there as well as for the females.


JMO
 
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