Mom Pleads For Daughter After Life Sentence For Shoplifting

AlleyCat said:
I did read that excerpt. I understand where the judge is coming from because of all her previous convictions, but all life in prison does for her is stop her from robbing Dilliard's of what? A few bucks from the sale of a purse? In exchange, it'll cost her taxpayers a fortune to house her in prison. I could understand this a little better if she were stealing a $30,000 car or forging her name on a million-dollar house, or holding people at gunpoint while shoplifting that purse. But .. ?? .. Put her in treatment.
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Dillard's is rather expensive.
 
I'm going to fall in line here with Jiro, Lucia, and some the others. This woman has had multiple opportunities to get her act together. A life sentence is not excessive. But, I would hope that while she is in imprisoned, she gets the drug treatment she needs. If that's not an option, then I hope she is mandated to obtain drug treatment upon her release from prison.
 
sara1981 said:
mostly shopping wanted buy or not and get buy somedays and says how much that price i know dillards is totally expensives and expect purse!

i went dillards in my hometown that purse is lots of money around over $100-$300 dollars im not joking and i wanted that expensives purses but im rather not buy expensives purse!
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Expensive purses suck. I can make my own, and it only cost me $5 from Jo Ann's. :D And everybody tells me how awesome it is all the time.
 
AlleyCat said:
I did read that excerpt. I understand where the judge is coming from because of all her previous convictions, but all life in prison does for her is stop her from robbing Dilliard's of what? A few bucks from the sale of a purse? In exchange, it'll cost her taxpayers a fortune to house her in prison. I could understand this a little better if she were stealing a $30,000 car or forging her name on a million-dollar house, or holding people at gunpoint while shoplifting that purse. But .. ?? .. Put her in treatment.
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LuciaDisturbed said:
Dillard's is rather expensive.
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It doesn't matter, really. Merchandise is merchandise, and it's wrong. This woman obviously knows what she is doing and that shows pre-meditation. All the more reason to throw her ass in the clink. As someone also mentioned above, heroin addicts aren't easily rehabilitated and so jail may be the only thing left to do. She can get drug treatment in prison or it can be mandated upon her release. At any rate, she'll have plenty of time to think about what she did.
 
Bottesini said:
Heroin addicts are not easily rehabilitated.
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That's absolutely true. Once they have had a taste - they're immediately HOOKED for life...they neeeeeeeeeeeeeed it...they can't live without it...they can't function without it unless they receive extensive drug rehab and treatment for the addiction where they learn how to live without it and how to deal with the psychological effects of the addiction and how to function without the drug. And the drug rehab/treatment is pretty much for the rest of their lifetimes (Drug Anonymous, counseling, etc). They can't just walk out of a drug rehab/treatment center at the end of their treatment period and be instantly "addiction-free"...they will always feel some kind of yearning for the drugs...which is why they learn in drug rehab/treatment how to deal with those yearning feelings, learn that they must attend frequent Drug Anonymous for the rest of their lives, how to resist, and how to call someone for help if they feel they are on the verge of breaking their sobriety, etc. This kind of addiction is extremely hard to break free of, from what I have seen.
 
Babyblue said:
I am sure she had the opportunity to rehabilitate and was put in rehab in between the 30 convictions.


That is one of the problems with drugs. People will not rehabilitate, if they do not want to. A judge can order it. but it will not help, unless the person wants to quit and rehabilitate.

I am sure she has had many chances.

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make it drink"

She Failed!!
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Right, she has to want help in order to accept help...you can't help a person that will not accept it. They can be in a drug rehab/treatment center and still reject help. The people that work at the drug rehab/treatment center can provide mandatory counseling, group therapy, individual therapy, Drug Anonymous, restraints, and everything that they can think of, but what they cannot do is control your desires. Therefore, if the person really, really, really wants the drug, she or he can simply ignore everything in treatment while in there the entire time and can have the drugs smuggled in somehow (it does happen) or she or he will get the drug once she or he is out of the rehab/treatment center. People that really want the drug very badly can be extremely stubborn.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
That's absolutely true. Once they have had a taste - they're immediately HOOKED for life...they neeeeeeeeeeeeeed it...they can't live without it...they can't function without it unless they receive extensive drug rehab and treatment for the addiction where they learn how to live without it and how to deal with the psychological effects of the addiction and how to function without the drug. And the drug rehab/treatment is pretty much for the rest of their lifetimes (Drug Anonymous, counseling, etc). They can't just walk out of a drug rehab/treatment center at the end of their treatment period and be instantly "addiction-free"...they will always feel some kind of yearning for the drugs...which is why they learn in drug rehab/treatment how to deal with those yearning feelings, learn that they must attend frequent Drug Anonymous for the rest of their lives, how to resist, and how to call someone for help if they feel they are on the verge of breaking their sobriety, etc. This kind of addiction is extremely hard to break free of, from what I have seen.
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because the drug dealers laced the heroin with some addictive chemical or purified it to the point where it's destructively addicting.
 
Jiro said:
because the drug dealers laced the heroin with some addictive chemical or purified it to the point where it's destructively addicting.
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Absolutely true. I've seen this happen. Very terrible and sad. I want to feel sorry for them, but pity will not help them at all. They need to see that it is WRONG, realize that it is BAD for their body, and realize that they NEED help, and they have to WANT help. They need to be "bitchslapped" with harsh reality before they're going to realize all this and want help. It's called "hitting bottom". It's a terrible epidemic.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Absolutely true. I've seen this happen. Very terrible and sad. I want to feel sorry for them, but pity will not help them at all. They need to see that it is WRONG, realize that it is BAD for their body, and realize that they NEED help, and they have to WANT help. They need to be "bitchslapped" with harsh reality before they're going to realize all this and want help. It's called "hitting bottom". It's a terrible epidemic.
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they can't WANT to get help. they will continue to hit the bottom until they OD. it's sad.... that's the heroin's destructive force... same for crack, meth, and bunch of other filthy street drugs... it's a permanent damage and they have to live on controlled medication like methadone for life. :(

to make it much more difficult for them... once you have a criminal record (drug charge) - you're screwed for life. nobody's going to hire you. because of that - you're frequently depressed, stressed, and broke. that's one of the trigger factors for relapse. :(
 
I surely would like Jillio's input in this matter regarding drug treatment and drug law. Only less than a week to go :mad2: My stance on this failed Drug Law/Policy was actually influenced by Jillio's stance on heated gun debate from last year. I'm sure ya'all remember that epic battle. I still don't agree with her view on gun issue but her view makes better sense to me on this drug issue.

The reason why I said that the state and public have failed them (drug users) is because the state failed them with its FAILED, UNDER-FUNDED, ILL-EQUIPPED state-funded treatment center and I don't believe mandatory program works. see bold red print? MANDATORY. IMO - forcing somebody to treatment is not a good way to deal with the issue. and the public failed them by not providing them decent jobs since most does not want to hire a convict especially a drug record. :(
 
Jiro said:
I surely would like Jillio's input in this matter regarding drug treatment and drug law. Only less than a week to go :mad2:
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I'm counting down the days til Jillio comes back....*sighs* I can't wait...her input would be very useful and very informative.
 
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