Mom outraged at school program providing birth control for daughter

jillio said:
Actually, the doctor that administered the meds is the one that crossed the line legally. Providing transportation to a clinic is not illegal.

I still question why the child decided to go with the person who transported her, rather than wait for her mother to take her, if the mother had already agreed to provide birth control.

I can't say whether the story is accurate or not. But I just see a lot of inconsistency between what was said, and what was actually done.
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I think we're splitting hairs here on who was actually responsible. The woman knew full well what she was doing, so that makes her liable in my eyes; but yes, the Dr who dispensed Depo-provera to the 14yo is also liable.

There does seem to be a lot of inconsistencies here now that I am looking at it from another point of view (and taking reactions out of it).
 
Reba said:
You obviously don't know South Carolina law or you wouldn't be making erroneous statements about said law.

I'm not a lawyer but I listened to the lawyers and officials involved in the case discuss it, and their explanations of the state law.
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If you read that law in it's entirety, I'm certain that you would find that it is a bit more explicit than you are implying. Health services is terribly broad, and the services that are restricted would be identified in description of the statute.
 
Reba said:
That's fine but you can't ignore the laws that are in place when you evaluate a situation.
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Nope.
"In my youth," said his father, "I took to the law,
And argued each case with my wife;
And the muscular strength which it gave to my jaw
Has lasted the rest of my life."
;)
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I think we're splitting hairs here on who was actually responsible. The woman knew full well what she was doing, so that makes her liable in my eyes; but yes, the Dr who dispensed Depo-provera to the 14yo is also liable.

There does seem to be a lot of inconsistencies here now that I am looking at it from another point of view (and taking reactions out of it).
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:ty: That was all I was saying. Too many inconsistencies to believe this article 100%. Can't just react to the surface situation.
 
Banjo said:
Treatment Of Minors: Encyclopedia of Everyday Law

This is what I have found so far... can anybody provide the specific state law concerning this type of situation?
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In my state, it is illegal to provide medical treatment, except in the case of a life threatening situation, to a minor under the age of 16. If the kid is under 16 and requires life sustaining treatment, and the parents cannot be reached, a guardian ad litem is appointed immediately to decide in the child's best interest.

After the age of 16, a child can obtain birth control by request.
 
jillio said:
:ty: That was all I was saying. Too many inconsistencies to believe this article 100%. Can't just react to the surface situation.
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Which is what I did originally. It's hard not too, though. I put myself in the parent role and sort of went "What if it was MY kid?" Truth be told, I'd be pretty ticked off. As it is, I'm an aunt, but the kids are getting older. My niece turned 9 (yes, still a far cry from 14...but still.) in Sept, and, we are now having little discussions about her "boyfriends" (really, just crushes, but gah!). :shock:

She's NINE!!! :lol: OK, so I'm digressing from this discussion a bit; and projecting my own fears into things as well, maybe. I'll admit it. These discussions with my niece are wigging me out and I can only hope she's having good talks with Mommy about some of this stuff she's dealing with AT NINE. I do my best, but I'm not the Mom. I'm also not prepared for these kids to grow up THIS fast! :eek3:

This is what I reacted to. My niece one day in that situation, and in a perfect world, I would hope she'd come to one of us for information (and yes, birth control if it comes to that).

But, back to the point.... There is a lot wrong here. Who's really at fault should be sorted out in a courtroom. The Dr. certainly should be held liable, but, if it's proven that the woman did something improper or illegal, she should be held accountable as well.
 
yo reba. what is the teenage birth rate in the area? what if it is localized as having a high rate of teenage pregnancies? or even STD's ? it is out of line to give shots to teens at that age but maybe there was an out of control teenage thing? i have known areas where the teens think it was a game where sex was involved.
 
netrox said:
No matter how liberal or conservative you are, you WILL NEVER get full information from your kids. Honestly, did you tell your parents everything you do? If you do, you're pathetic.

Sex education should be mandatory in schools. Studies have shown over and over - no matter how liberal or conservative you are - most kids say that their parents never taught them about sex.

Learn to accept that your own kids are growing and sexually maturing and that many don't WANT you to know that. If they got BC, accept it. Hands off. I know you don't like it but back off. Don't argue with them. Tell them that BC doesn't prevent STD's and that it carries potential side effects and that they'd be happier if they just abstain.
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I agree that sex education should be mandatory but to go as far to give my child medicine without my knowledge is going too far.
 
jillio said:
I suppose this mother would rather her daughter get pregnant at 14.

BTW: this story is a little suspect. They can't dispense medications at any time without a parent's signed permission. They can however, provide information so the student can take action on their own.
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So you think it ok a stranger to to give your daughter med's without asking you if it ok! What if is what kind of drug that was able to made for daughter
sterile for life . I guess you also think a govenment takeover of our health care is OK too!
 
shel90 said:
I agree that sex education should be mandatory but to go as far to give my child medicine without my knowledge is going too far.
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I feel the same way. I guess we'll all be checking the laws in our state regarding this matter.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I feel the same way. I guess we'll all be checking the laws in our state regarding this matter.
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I know that my daughter doesnt tell me anything ( my relationship with her is not that great right now) but I hope she is getting good education about sex at her school in Arizona. However, if they are prescribing her meds without my knowledge, I would not like that. I wouldnt sue the school but I would say something.
 
shel90 said:
I agree that sex education should be mandatory but to go as far to give my child medicine without my knowledge is going too far.
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+1. I don't have a daughter, but I would sue the pants off anybody that gave my daughter meds without my permission.
 
The European approach to teens, sex, and love, in pictures. - By Rachael Phelps - Slate Magazine

Felt like this link is quite relevant to this discussion...

But again...think about it.....what if kids DO NOT have ANY communication with their parents about sex and issues like that? What if it's a taboo issue and parents are of the extremely traditional type?

What can the daughter do in this case if she feels she must get a BC and does not have any communication with her mother about this issue because she knows or have a good idea how her mother will feel about the daughter having sex? You know, parents can be unrealistic and traditional about this issue.

I think for anybody over 16, they can get BC without parents' permission. But this girl at 14 years old...yeah, she may need her mother's permission.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Me too! Because, I was an honest kid and my parents knew exactly where I was at all times.
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Me, too. Besides my friends and I didn't have cars, and the buses didn't run late at night in our area, so anywhere we went either had to be within walking or bicycling distance, or our parents drove us. :lol:
 
SECTION 63-5-350. Health services to minors without parental consent.

Health services of any kind may be rendered to minors of any age without the consent of a parent or legal guardian when, in the judgment of a person authorized by law to render a particular health service, such services are deemed necessary unless such involves an operation which shall be performed only if such is essential to the health or life of such child in the opinion of the performing physician and a consultant physician if one is available.
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S.C. Code of Laws Title 63 Chapter 5 Legal Status Of Children - www.scstatehouse.gov-LPITS

The problem is, "deemed necessary" is vague. It doesn't say "life or health threatening." It doesn't say "deemed necessary to preserve health or life." Some people might consider it to deemed necessary to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
 
Reba said:
Me, too. Besides my friends and I didn't have cars, and the buses didn't run late at night in our area, so anywhere we went either had to be within walking or bicycling distance, or our parents drove us. :lol:
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That was my situation, too. :lol:
 
My sister had to tell a kid's mother who was around 14 years old about her . Her mother wasn't happy but she did get her birth control. .

some medication affect the effective of birth control, and sometime birth control affect certain issues like epilepsy (doctors usually prescribe low dose birth control for them) http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/living/women/hormones/weibirthcontrol.cfm

Condoms are safer if men would just wear them.
 
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It's safer if both parties are using some form of birth control, not just men.

Condoms have failure rates; birth control hormones have failure rates as well. Combined, it's twice as unlikely a pregnancy would occur. I never really got why people insist it's okay not to wear a condom if she's on the pills or is doing anal. I am sorry, but even sodomy have a chance of knocking a girl up, and I am not going to go unstealthed for it.

Sorry, had this huge debate about this with a girl when she wanted me to go condomless.
 
I mean it is safer to give to kids instead of birth control pills. You don't know what kind of health condition they have and they may trust birth control too much and still end up getting pregnant anyway.

They can also give this as a safe alternative to pills PLUS condoms (using both combine will help) !!! Knowing how their body works will help girls avoid sex on certain days: http://www.cyclebeads.com/ It kinda scary for school to give kids any chemicals to pop in their mouth without informing the parents.
 
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