Mexico and United States border:

[webexplorer]

Your idea..

Why don't you care propsal to GOV'T about it.. Do they'll care ?

I don't think so..

I wonder if they care to build concrete walls which is cheaper than the China's Great Walls. For example, it used to block the borders between West and East Germany. Do you think that it is going to work? Maybe, it is worth it. In that way, it would save us a few billions or trillions dollars.

 

[EDGE]

I agree that US should built the wall to protect from Mexicans walk cross the border.

The amount of Mexicans have increase more than before and it become out of control where there wouldn't be available for illegal job. Man and woman decide to bless baby to born here in US solid that make auto turn them become US citizen which is dirty cheap but at least, they offer that I DON'T appericate it.

Some resident who own the part of land next to border, they have right to shot if they doing illegal and cross on their land. eek.

Cross to AZ is most dangerous, where the highest amount Mexicans die by drying. No water out there, not so wise move.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Apply dual-citizenship application.

Since you reside for 20 years in Germany and never dare to go back to your native home of Great Britain. You can apply for a Germany citizenship. However, your Great Britain may be your great advantage if you take your family to England for safety in a case of war or natural disaster. I respectfully understand your wise decision
.

Yes, it´s expensive to apply to become German citizen. After 4 year trial they asked me if I want to apply to be German citizen. I was like and do not feel ready to be German citizen yet. They respect my wish until my British passport run out... I need to extend my passport... I thought to myself - why not to become German citizen because I live over 8 years and familiar Germany as my adopt home. Unfortunlately they told me that I has to pay 1% of my salary to be German citizen. I was like :jaw: because it´s too much... It cost me $4,000 to be German citizen... Should I pay $4,000 for that? No thank... I prefer to held British Passport... They told me to connect British Embassy in Düsselendorf to extend British passport.

Yeah my hubby said the same thing as you over advantage... I really never thought about this... It could be true for my children´s future... It would be great if my children want to go England to study ...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Do you mean the Mexican government or the USA government?

USA

If someone owns prostitutes, isn't that slavery?

Please re-read my previous post that illegal immigrants work as prostitutes to earn for their living which it mean that they are not slave. Yes they have to pay % to the owner for their protection.

Same here. Non-citizens are not allowed to vote in the United States.

But Dennis said different.

Do you mean you applied for citizenship and the German government turned you down?

Huh? I never say anything in my previous post that German government reject my application... I don´t understand your question... Check my answer on mlds´s post.

 

[Reba]

Please re-read my previous post that illegal immigrants work as prostitutes to earn for their living which it mean that they are not slave. Yes they have to pay % to the owner for their protection.

I was referring to your original statement:

The owner of prostuties and employers will get in trouble for hire illegal immigrants...

That's why I asked the question. You wrote "owner" of prostitutes, so I wanted clarification. Usually, if one person "owns" another person that is called slavery.

 

[Reba]

USA

Thank you. Now I understand, and I can respond.

As you posted, "I understand now why the a lot of illegal immigrants around in America. Who is the fault? Of course Government..."

Yes, the USA government is at fault. They don't control the borders strictly enough. They need more manpower with more enforcement power to stop the illegals from coming in. Then, they also need to enforce the laws against illegals that are already living in the US. They need to apprehend them and send them back to the home countries. They need to quit providing illegals with services in the US.

 

[Reba]

But Dennis said different. ....

Dennis said:

"...On top of that, politicans want the "illegal" vote because it's an easy group to keep happy. Just promise to toss them a few hundred dollars and they'll keep you in office. No one really wants to be tough on illegals because then the other politicians will win their vote. Yes, illegals can vote, thanks to the previous politicians looking to win votes giving them reasons to vote."

I'm not sure what he means by "Yes, illegals can vote." Illegal immigrants CANNOT legally vote in the United States. Maybe he meant that they illegally get voter registration cards, and then vote.

Many of the US politicians want to make it legal for illegal immigrants to vote in the US because they (the politicians) believe that they will win the votes of the illegals if they seem to support illegals. Dennis is right about that.

 

[Reba]

...Huh? I never say anything in my previous post that German government reject my application... I don´t understand your question...Check my answer on mlds´s post.

I didn't say that you did.

In your first post you just complained that you didn't have German rights but you didn't explain the reason why you were not a citizen. I didn't know if it was because you didn't want to be a citizen, or because Germany didn't allow you to become a citizen. That is why I asked the question, for you to clearly explain what you meant.

You have now answered that question, thank you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

First of all I would like apology you for my "harsh" post... I know I should not post yet until I`m FIT.... (I was in the bed with fever & strong flu... I´m quite okay now...)

I was referring to your original statement:

That's why I asked the question. You wrote "owner" of prostitutes, so I wanted clarification. Usually, if one person "owns" another person that is called slavery.

Sorry I misread your post... Yes, legal owner of prostuties houses are arrest for hire illigeal imgriants... They paid penatly fine and then the government decide new law for tax for prostitues... which it´s easier for tax officer to find out who taxpayers are... Police come to control their ID. German government are stricter to control illegal imgriants.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I didn't say that you did.

In your first post you just complained that you didn't have German rights but you didn't explain the reason why you were not a citizen. I didn't know if it was because you didn't want to be a citizen, or because Germany didn't allow you to become a citizen. That is why I asked the question, for you to clearly explain what you meant.

You have now answered that question, thank you.

Yeah, it´s unfair since I live in Germany in legal way - pay german taxes... I own German unlimited residence and work permit... which it mean that I can live in Germany forever.....

 

[Reba]

First of all I would like apology you for my "harsh" post... I know I should not post yet until I`m FIT.... (I was in the bed with fever & strong flu... I´m quite okay now...)

Thank you for your gracious response.

I'm very sorry that you were not feeling well.

I'm glad you are feeling better before Christmas!

 

[Dennis S.]

Dennis said:

"...On top of that, politicans want the "illegal" vote because it's an easy group to keep happy. Just promise to toss them a few hundred dollars and they'll keep you in office. No one really wants to be tough on illegals because then the other politicians will win their vote. Yes, illegals can vote, thanks to the previous politicians looking to win votes giving them reasons to vote."

I'm not sure what he means by "Yes, illegals can vote." Illegal immigrants CANNOT legally vote in the United States. Maybe he meant that they illegally get voter registration cards, and then vote.

Many of the US politicians want to make it legal for illegal immigrants to vote in the US because they (the politicians) believe that they will win the votes of the illegals if they seem to support illegals. Dennis is right about that.

You partially hit on my point, Reba. The other part of the point is that in many, many, MANY places, voter registration and voting itself does not require proof of identity or proof of citizenship. You provide a mailing address for your location to vote, and sign a document that states everything in the above is truthful, and you're a voter. So, you lie, and then you vote. Hmm.

So you get these voter drives -- just get anyone and everyone to sign up and vote. Doesn't matter who, you just sign up and never verify anyone on the rolls. After the election, THEN things are sorted out, and then maybe illegal voters are purged from the rolls.

We need to make it so that you have to be verified and show proof of citizenship before you can vote. That means that voting will cost more money, and politicians don't want that. So, in the name of your voting "rights", they won't check on you and make sure you're who you say you are, or force you to take a test to prove you can vote, or that you're a citizen. You just walk right on in and say you're who you say you are and vote.

 

[Reba]

I just found out that a local person I know is going to be on Fox News tonight, discussing illegal immigration.

Thursday, December 22, 2005
Watch "Hannity & Colmes" weeknights at 9 p.m. ET!

...Also, we’ll talk to a South Carolina state representative who wants to lock up all illegal immigrants for five years. John Graham Altman explains his theory tonight.

...These stories and much more ... don't miss "Hannity & Colmes" tonight at 9 p.m. ET!

John Graham is a very outspoken person; people in South Carolina either hate him or love him. It should be an interesting discussion.
http://www.scstatehouse.net/members/bios/0020454543.html

(off topic but funny; his wife Charm loves to decorate their front yard with many plastic pink flamingos; each season she "dresses" them to fit the occassion; every Christmas they wear Santa hats :P )

 

[Heath]

New Addition of 700 miles and stricter control of immigration policy just passed today. It is 2 pages long, forgive me but please it is worth reading....from the Washington DC Times newspaper article.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20051217-123709-6995r.htm

 

[Endymion]

Good question, Rose. I'm not an immigration and naturalization specialist, and as such don't have the qualifications to offer a grand judgement, but I do feel that there are better solutions than building a big giant wall. Doing so will have far-reaching economic and political repercussions that identify us as isolationist and exclusivist.

To answer your question, some possibilities might be stricter legal enforcement of illegal labor laws, implementation of policies that discourage immigration (for example, policies that increase burden on political migrants and economic migrants in the US), increased immediate deportation with some sort of penalization or incentive not to return, and so forth.

Tangentially and not wholly related, one thing I think we need to do is consider the real impact of strict regulation of immigration and determine how much is really necessary. The Solow model of economic growth in its basic form identifies three variables that lead to or affect economic growth: technology, population, and depreciation of capital stock. Naturally, we want good population growth, we want to acquire skilled people who will adapt to the American environment and will boost our growth and global productivity. If we have very harsh policies and a reputation for isolationism, skilled labor goes elsewhere. China recognizes the value of skilled labor and they are even offering people free start-up capital and free rent just to get them to migrate to China and boost their economy.

But really, the uneventful dating lives of old cronies in Washington are much more interesting. Let's go read a tabloid; we might be more productive!

What do you think? Have any good ideas? I'd love to hear what you have to say on the matter.

 

[FreeWoman77]

You partially hit on my point, Reba. The other part of the point is that in many, many, MANY places, voter registration and voting itself does not require proof of identity or proof of citizenship. You provide a mailing address for your location to vote, and sign a document that states everything in the above is truthful, and you're a voter. So, you lie, and then you vote. Hmm.

So you get these voter drives -- just get anyone and everyone to sign up and vote. Doesn't matter who, you just sign up and never verify anyone on the rolls. After the election, THEN things are sorted out, and then maybe illegal voters are purged from the rolls.

We need to make it so that you have to be verified and show proof of citizenship before you can vote. That means that voting will cost more money, and politicians don't want that. So, in the name of your voting "rights", they won't check on you and make sure you're who you say you are, or force you to take a test to prove you can vote, or that you're a citizen. You just walk right on in and say you're who you say you are and vote.

interested, i didnt know illegal immigrant and legal immigrant not citizen yet could vote too, i m not US citizen, legal immigrant and permit work in US never voted, INS has qq me have I ever voted or tried to vote i replied NO, huh? now i got why :shakehead:

 

[Rose Immortal]

Endymion--I'm no expert either, but I do agree that we SHOULD start enforcing our current laws to the max, because a lot of times America seems pretty lax about that.

 

[PurrMeow]

I think that they should do this. America is not just a country that you can just walk into. It's not only the illegal Mexican immigrants that we have to worry about, it's the terrorists. If it was easy for people to sneak in the Unite States, then terrorists could easily fly to Mexico and enter then United States. That wouldn't be good.

I gotta to agree with VamPyro.
But um one thing other than that is because my sister was married to a man who was orginally from Mexico which he and his family moved to Texas when they applied to be illegal which they didn't have any problems especially one of his sisters and one of his brothers could not get in cause they didnt apply. Anyway he died in Mexico when he visited his brother and sister.

 

[Endymion]

Rose, looks like we're in agreement.