McCain: Obama needs to get tougher on Iran

[Jiro]

We should help Darfur, but not Iran.

No, the Iranian election is a matter for the Iranian people. It is up to them to elect their leadership, not us.

Obama is doing exactly as he should. It is not up to the U.S. to interfer in another country’s election.

I am appalled at the people that think Obama is not doing enough and think it´s okay for US Government to jump into another country´s electional affairs. …

Obama did is correct.

why? by your logic - US should not interfere in another country's affair so we should not help Darfur or any other country.

 

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Jiro,

Just because we help one country does not mean we have to help everyone. Where are all of these countries when the U.S. needs help? Oh, that's right. Nowhere to be found.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro,

Just because we help one country does not mean we have to help everyone. Where are all of these countries when the U.S. needs help? Oh, that's right. Nowhere to be found.

the priority is usually placed on those with capability and ability to pose a serious danger in the future.

Beside what do you care about the countries needing American help? You said we shouldn't interfere so your comment's mooted.

 

[Jiro]

What kind of country that puts the rival's life in jeopardy?

Iran's president declines to guarantee safety of defeated rival Mir Hossein Moussavi

 

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Jiro,

My comment isn't moot. I never said we shouldn't be providing aid to people in Afghanistan nor did I say we shouldn't assist in Darfur.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro,

My comment isn't moot. I never said we shouldn't be providing aid to people in Afghanistan nor did I say we shouldn't assist in Darfur.

but we're interfering with their domestic affair and government. We're not just merely providing aid. We changed their way of life, replaced the government, and more.

 

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Jiro,

So? What's the difference between that and what we're doing in Iraq?

 

[Jiro]

Jiro,

So? What's the difference between that and what we're doing in Iraq?

difference? I didn't say such thing. I said we're a freedom country and we will help anybody to gain their freedom. Iraq has long been terrorized by Saddam and his 2 tyrannical sons.

so the question is - what's the difference with assisting Darfur/Afghanistan and Iran?

 

[PowerON]

But Germany is under influence from US and UK from WWII

 

[Foxrac]

But Germany is under influence from US and UK from WWII

Yup, Liebling is toward to left wing since me and Jiro are toward to between moderate to right wing.

I have nothing to against on Germans, even right wing or conservative Germans would agree with me.

 

[Hwy99]

If people in Iran voted for their own country, let them go. I would call that freedom.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If people in Iran voted for their own country, let them go. I would call that freedom.

Yes, that´s right.

All what we do is respect their freedom when their freedom is different as ours.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Sorry, it doesn't meet your exception because they already stated that they are monitor on election and stated that their election is irregularities.
White House says US watching for irregularities in Iran's contested presidential election -- Courant.com

It´s typical of the western media to condemned Iran of their election.

Now, I'm surprised that you never understand about their long history of anti-America that threat to us, their supreme leader is anti-America and you need re-learn about what happen during hostage crisis in 1979, warfare on between Iran and Iraq and US embassy bombing in Beirut in 1983, that is part of support by first supreme leader. Now, you stated that you work for American military and there's no excuse for you to tell us to ignore over anti-America remark in Iran and other middle east, you should resign your job and find different job because you don't have any sorry over anti-American remark, we shouldn't funds our taxes for your terrible comment.

This is stupid and childish comment, I ever read.

It's up to US government if they need help with Iranians, none of your business and Germany is your homeland and you need worry about Germany.

No, it´s not up to US Government because it´s none of US Government´s business. It´s Iranian´s election and country.

How would you feel if another country interfered in your election (example Bush-Gore election?)

What my comment do with Germany?

 

[Jiro]

It´s typical of the western media to condemned Iran of their election.

This is stupid and childish comment, I ever read.

No, it´s not up to US Government because it´s none of US Government´s business. It´s Iranian´s election and country.

How would you feel if another country interfered in your election (example Bush-Gore election?)

What my comment do with Germany?

But European Union is criticizing Iran election too.

EU leaders step up Iran election criticism

Here's your German Chancellor - "German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the speech, in which Khamenei attacked foreign powers for questioning the election results, was "disappointing"."

German foreign ministry notes irregularities in Iran election

A spokesman for the German foreign ministry has released a statement regarding the Iranian presidential election.

"The state secretary in the foreign ministry...has said that on the basis of our information, we believe that there were irregularities in the elections," said spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm.

Defeated Iranian presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi called on his supporters to hold a march and a day of mourning on Thursday for protesters slain in post-election clashes.

"As you know in recent days as a result of illegal and violent crackdown on critics and protestors over the presidential election results, a number of our compatriots were martyred and wounded," he said in a signed statement released on his website Ghalam News, and reported by AFP news service.

"I offer my sympathies to the families and call on everyone to show their condolences to the families on Thursday afternoon in any way possible, by gathering in mosques, or holding peaceful marches and using mourning signs."

"I will obviously take part in the ceremony," he said.

 

[Jiro]

Yes, that´s right.

All what we do is respect their freedom when their freedom is different as ours.

freedom? i'm sorry but no. there is only one type of freedom. Freedom means free speech, free election, equality for all, etc. In Iran - there is NO free speech, NO free election, NO equality, NONE NONE NONE. That's why we Americans criticize Iran. We want freedom for Iran. My Iranian friend wants freedom for Iran too. That's why his family moved to USA. Iran needs to be in 21st century, not 13th century or whatsoever.

Like I said - what kind of country does not guarantee the rival's safety? What kind of country puts a heavy censorship on protests and rally? What kind of country launches the goonie squad aka Basijis on people - shooting, beating, arresting, etc.?

We don't do that in America or any other freedom countries like Japan, Korea, Germany, UK, etc. We do not respect any nations who publicly threaten America.

 

[Hwy99]

Yes, that´s right.

All what we do is respect their freedom when their freedom is different as ours.

Yup, respect each other are important.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Don't ask me because it's part of Reagan admin and he can support Saddam whatever he want.

Interesting... you are bitter over what and how Iran did over 30 years ago accord your previous posts and find okay what and how Reagon Admin. did...

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What are you talking about foreigner's comment that I don't like and forum isn't right place for me? You are wrong and I have free to criticize your comment and I said you don't have much knowledge over between US and Iran in past.

Are you saying that you are free to criticize my comment that´s because I entitle my view over that article, I posted? This is disrespectful of you to criticize my view. Don´t you know how to handle the debate with agreement to disagreement. Have you read AD Rules to use common sense when you want to disagree with me?

I can criticize ANY articles, ADers posted and quoted ADers with common sense why I agree or disagree to, not criticize ADer´s view.

I am tiring of your personal posts on my view posts. I am free to say why I am agree or disagree instead of criticize you.

Where´s your respect?

You don't make any sense about your foreign's comment and I don't said you have much knowledge, even I considered you as to have least knowledge over situation with between US and Iran.

Re-read your own posts # 33 & 35 more carefully what you said to me.

No thanks, you are supposed to be neutral over between US and Iran, it's not part of your business about situation with between Iran and US, also it's not same as between Germany and Iran.

Yes, I am neutral and take both sides between US and Iran. I can judge who is right or wrong. All what I see here is very biased comment which is not right. The problem is you refused to see it.

I'm talking about between Iran and US, not others.

Of course I know that we are talking about Iran and US, not others. Could you show me where I bring up "others"? All what I see your posts after my first response post that you brought up Germany and very bitter over 30 years old issues what and how Iran did to Americans in first place. Its election, I referring to my view accord the article in my first post. I really don´t have idea why you took my view personal.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

huh? did you know Bill Maher is not talking about Iran? Re-read my post.

Can you please show me where I use those word "Iran" in my response post to you?

Its about respect, I am referring to why I said that Bill Maher is wrong.

have you read what people of Darfur and Iran been saying? both said they want freedom. We are freedom country. we help any country that wants freedom.

Did you know how many protesters of country´s population? Please work out yourself.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yup, respect each other are important.

Exactly

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Got a fact or link to support your statement that it was OK for US to support Saddam to use chemical weapons on Iranian citizens?

I thought you know?

Google is open for ANY questions.

I'm sorry you don't like our American policy. just remember that your country is a free country due to our American policy. We want to do same for Iran

Who says that I don´t like America policy?

It doesn´t mean that I don´t like America policy because I disagree some of US policy and take other sides because I beleive in take both sides.

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Really? both you're looking at only one side.

I take one side? Huh? Look yourself that you and some ADers are very biased to US policy, not listen both sides. What you did is take one side is US policy... I not but take ANY country´s side why I agree or disagree.

I take both sides.

What Obama is doing correct, not McCain and let the Americans and people from other countries support the Iranian people.