Ladies: would you vote for Palin?

[Maria]

Why? it doesn’t hurt to try it and see what happens.

Well, first of all -- Alaskans includin' myself would like to see more wolves growin' LATER without spayed/neutered them when under control. They can CHOSE to let the wolves to mate unless, if it is too many wolves ( overpopulation because, of not enough elks, mooses, rabbits, and so on due to their prey as their food ), then they will have to control it by shootin'. And, not only just shootin', they could use wolves' fur to make boots for winter or somethin' to keep them warm.

If, you want them to spay/neuter the wolves, then there will be no more wolves in the future, bec of no babies ?? How will the Indians be able to make for their feet/bodies to keep them warm if, no more wolves bec of spayed/neutered ??

I don't think that your suggestion about spayed/neutered is goin' to work. It will not resolve.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I just don't understand why some people are upset at the fact that hunters kills wild animals, when shelters also kill pets when they can't find homes for them. There are pets out there who haven't been sprayed and neutered, and when they leave their property to roam and breed, they are usual picked up and placed in shelters, and many of those pets been euthanized because they weren't adopted out to homes in months. Over-population is a big problem in this world that many people don't realized,. It's not an excuse as Liebling states.

Your argument is a fallacious because they do not shoot pets by plane to aviod overpopulation but only put them sleep. This is a difference.

I do not upset that the hunters kill animals for the foods and warm.

I am upset that the trophy hunters kill animal inhumanity and brutal way because animals are SUFFERING which the pets doesn´t... just put sleep without suffering.

The pet owner´s decision to spay/neutered their pets... (I learn from other thread that they MUST spay/neutered their pets to avoid overpopulation). I can understand and have no problem with that but I have the problem that they SHOOT animal to aviod overpopulation. They should neutered/spayed them to avoid overpopulation, not shoot them.

 

[Bottesini]

Thanks, Botti....very much...I'll peruse it in a while. Have you? If yes, what do you think? In the least, fascinating, right?

I agree that it is fascinating, and the opportunity to go and observe wolves in the wild would be amazing.

 

[Tousi]

Well, first of all -- Alaskans includin' myself would like to see more wolves growin' LATER without spayed/neutered them when under control. They can CHOSE to let the wolves to mate unless, if it is too many wolves ( overpopulation because, of not enough elks, mooses, rabbits, and so on due to their prey as their food ), then they will have to control it by shootin'. And, not only just shootin', they could use wolves' fur to make boots for winter or somethin' to keep them warm.

If, you want them to spay/neuter the wolves, then there will be no more wolves in the future, bec of no babies ?? How will the Indians be able to make for their feet/bodies to keep them warm if, no more wolves bec of spayed/neutered ??

I don't think that your suggestion about spayed/neutered is goin' to work. It will not resolve.

But speaking of control, and just for the sake of arguing, that might be accomplished by spaying/neutering, ummm, let's say, every 30th cub.....that's how it could be done. Then later if the population diminishes, the spaying/neutering could stop. That is, if spaying/neutering doesn't affect the life cycle of the arctic wolf.

 

[Maria]

I can understand and have no problem with that but I have the problem that they SHOOT animal to aviod overpopulation. They should neutered/spayed them to avoid overpopulation, not shoot them.

Ohhh, you have a problem with that ? Gee, pets and WILD animals are NOT the same. WILD animals live in the NATURE, pets don't.

Tell me where did all domestic dogs belong and where they come from, if you know ? Hmm....

 

[Cheri]

Your argument is a fallacious because they do not shoot pets by plane to aviod overpopulation but only put them sleep. This is a difference.

It does not matter how they were killed, the point is that there are many pets that been killed because of overpopulations, no room for them in shelters, and they have not been placed up for adoption, nobody wants them, those are the three major reasons why those pets are being killed.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

nope! I made it look like that because I thought it was hilarious . I just need to figure out talk to Liebling in her own language.

I didn´t notice your post until few minutes ago...

*speechless :jaw:*

I´m very disguist over your nasty insult and ignorant remark. Your post show itself as a very closed minded and rude.

You remind me of 2 Aders who pick on ADers´ grammar for the fun...

*shake my head disgusitly*

 

[Cheri]

Neutered/spayed are not gonna help those wild animals, You have those animals who have rabies virus, diseases. Have you known that most fatal attacks were by rabid wolves? Oh yeah!!! Raid wolves who have rabies virus that had infected their brains will mostly attack humans, even small children. Go ask a wolf biologist.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Ohhh, you have a problem with that ? Gee, pets and WILD animals are NOT the same. WILD animals live in the NATURE, pets don't.

Tell me where did all domestic dogs belong and where they come from, if you know ? Hmm....

Of course I know that´s what I said to Cheri that her comparison over wild animals and pets are fallacious.

 

[Tousi]

My city here in southern CA had/has a wild dog eradication program by shooting them from helicopters along the river where these animals live and threaten man and domestic animals. A little off topic.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Neutered/spayed are not gonna help those wild animals, You have those animals who have rabies virus, diseases. Have you known that most fatal attacks were by rabid wolves? Oh yeah!!! Raid wolves who have rabies virus that had infected their brains will mostly attack humans, even small children. Go ask a wolf biologist.

Could you please provide the link to support your claim here?

I only know that wolves are shy around the humans and aviod humans when they see them in the forest. It´s rare that wolves attack humans.

 

[Tousi]

Neutered/spayed are not gonna help those wild animals, You have those animals who have rabies virus, diseases. Have you known that most fatal attacks were by rabid wolves? Oh yeah!!! Raid wolves who have rabies virus that had infected their brains will mostly attack humans, even small children. Go ask a wolf biologist.

Those animals are killed no matter what program is in place. That is another subject.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

International Wolf Center Home

Very happy to oblige. Here is the link to your program, Tousi.

for post good link here. It´s fanastic feeling when I look your link. *I will go bed soon so I will read them tomorrow*

Good Night

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[Cheri]

Could you please provide the link to support your claim here?

I only know that wolves are shy around the humans and aviod humans when they see them in the forest. It´s rare that wolves attack humans.

The vast majority of other attacks seemed to have been committed by rabid wolves. Today, rabies is rather uncommon in the grey wolf, though infrequent attacks by rabid wolves on humans in parts of Asia and the Middle East still occur.

wolfbehavior :: All you need to know about Wolves

 

[KarissaMann05]

Many interesting posts, indeed.

 

[Angel]

Well, first of all -- Alaskans includin' myself would like to see more wolves growin' LATER without spayed/neutered them when under control. They can CHOSE to let the wolves to mate unless, if it is too many wolves ( overpopulation because, of not enough elks, mooses, rabbits, and so on due to their prey as their food ), then they will have to control it by shootin'. And, not only just shootin', they could use wolves' fur to make boots for winter or somethin' to keep them warm.

If, you want them to spay/neuter the wolves, then there will be no more wolves in the future, bec of no babies ?? How will the Indians be able to make for their feet/bodies to keep them warm if, no more wolves bec of spayed/neutered ??

I don't think that your suggestion about spayed/neutered is goin' to work. It will not resolve.

I did not say ALL of them, what I've been trying to say here is that millions of animals death could be prevented, if there was another solution to reduces the overpopulation problem and it can be solved if each of us takes just one small step back by not allowing some animals to breed that why I said spaying and neutering is the first step to a solution instead of killing these poor animals.

 

[Jiro]

Assumption again... Can you please show me where you assume that the cost approx $5,000 per wolf for spayed/neuted ?

You said NOTHING about Palin spent $400,000 on trophy hunters, games, plane, etc to kill wolves and bears but worry over spayed/neutered cost...

It makes no sense.

Have you ever heard of "Educated Guess" ? In order to capture the wolf to spay/neuter wolf... this is how you do it -

You need to pay for:
1. hire pilot + 1-2 Ranger + 1-2 Vets
2. rental of a plane/copter
3. supply of tranquilizer darts
4. cost of fuel to fly around to find wolves
5. cost of cages
6. transportation of wolves+cages from copter/plane to vet hospital
7. cost of veterinary expenses
8. another cost of transporting wolves BACK to copter/plane to wildlife

Please refer to my previous post - Wolf Management in Alaska with an Historic Perspective Presentation to the Alaska Board of Game .

1. The department will never again conduct widespread and continuous wolf control to increase ungulate populations. The monetary costs are too high and the public does not want their wildlife to be managed in that manner.

I believe I can assure you that $400,000 is a PENNY compared to cost to spay/neuter wolves in that manner above. According to your so-called statistic.... there are 7,000 to 11,000 wolves so I'm assuming the whole expenses is perhaps $5,000+ per wolf. So that would be.. minimum $35,000,000

 

[Jiro]

This is very speculative on my part but wouldn't spayed and neutered animals in the wild make them "different"; would they live out normal lives in all that healthy, normal ones do from birth to their demise?

no. just less aggressive and less horny . They can live normally.

 

[Jiro]

Don´t misintrepret my post because I never say that the wild animal and the domesiticed animals are the same. The fact is you are the one who brought Roy Siegfried´s issue over tiger to remind me in first place and claimed that wild animals are dangerous. I remind you that there´re also dangerous dogs as pets like rottewiller, pitbull etc... which mean is example about pitbull, rotteweller, etc..., not point just wild animals is dangerous because there´re also dangerous pets as well.

No I did not misinterpret your post at all. You misspoke - something you should be aware of and should be careful of what you say.

And yes I brought up the fact of Roy Siegfried because it was a direct response to your silly post where you said "Wolves CAN be pet if you adopt and raise them with love." I have to correct you there that wolves ARE NOT A DOG and will NEVER be like dog and SHOULD NEVER BE TREATED LIKE A DOG NOR PET! To do so is NOT respecting the nature.... which is why Roy Siegfried got mauled.

So?

So................... do you understand now that this reality is not Animal Planets nor Disney Walt movies?

 

[Jiro]

Thanks, Botti; that's good to hear. I'd like to reserve judgement to just the wolf for now as it is such a highly complex creature. Do you know, specifically?

yes of course. Any animals that operate in groups are highly complex and very intelligent creature. Its social structure, communication, and biological adaptation are extraordinary fascinating. I can go on for days to talk about wolves. I absolutely love wolves which is why I want to get a dog that closely resembles wolf.

There is a sanctuary for wolves in NJ - Lakota Wolf Reserve. I have not been there yet but it's kinda far from my home. I'll go there someday.