Tousi

You are veering (maybe not intentionally) off topic; this thread is NOT about hunters; it is for the greater welfare of both man and animals via legal means.

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IslandGal

Islandbreeze did NOT start on hunters in here so do not blame on her for bringing it up

IslandBreeze07

Okay, at first it was about voting for Palin, then Alaskan culling of wildlife, selective abortion, hunting air/land, and then baby cubs. I can't even keep track of everything on this thread. Good thing I didn't say anything about the poor cubs. That tears at my heart too. I feel so awful about baby animals too.

So thanks IslandGal for covering my back.

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Tousi

I didn't say she started in on them but she did mention them so how was I wrong in my response. Show me; I have no problem apologizing if I was. This is exactly how things get out of hand so let's nip it in the bud right now, okay?

Tousi

You're not the only one but I did, thru several posts, show how I was able to try and remove the emotional issues surrounding this. I feel equally as bad but it is a necessary thing because for legislatures to bow to the emotions in this case would be to cause a greater, more horrid happenstance to these animals. Just about every State has these provisions in place and they are used only when necessary.

Jiro

Why feel sorry for baby wolf? what about baby rabbits? baby moose? They're getting killed by wolves. lot of hungry wolves.

IslandBreeze07

Yep. I stepped into this thread, and got shot at for veering off topic when many people have done so before me, and find out what a great friend I have watching my back. A good day for me, indeed!! Good thing I did not say anything more about everything on this thread!!!!

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Reba

Yep.

Tousi

I'm sorry you feel like I "shot" you down even though I did add a disclaimer. I go off topic on occasion; I just wanted to zero in on, "hunter", because it is crucial to the whole thread. See ya around...good to have you here.

Maria

Yep, daily. It's nature about nature.

dead money

HA!

yeah Palin 101 isnt healthy for young economic science virgins.

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dead money

probaly because you dont have an answer for it.

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dead money

its necessary to keep balance in an ecosystem. Too many of one thing is bad for everyone. I dont advocate shooting spikes, cubs, puppies, whatever but if you have to balance out an enviornment by all means go right ahead.

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dead money

exactly.

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CrzyMeg

No I do but I dont have to reply on here for that.

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Reba

No, I changed none of your words, quotes, or posts.

Here is your original statement:

"Do you think a pro lifer like her who loves to shoot wolves and also fire at bear cubs on trees as well for the fun?"


So? So, it is not acceptable to make up lies about people.


You provided absolutely no links that prove that Palin enjoys shooting bear cubs in trees. Zero, nada, none.


I didn't ignore the video; I looked at the whole thing. There was nothing in it that showed Palin firing at bear cubs in a tree.

Slander:

* a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report

* a false and malicious statement or report about someone

* an abusive attack on a person's character or good name

(from Dictionary.com)

I'd say that fits the situation.


What does that have to do with shooting bear cubs?


You're just digging your hole deeper.


I've proven that your statement was false and damaging to Palin's reputation. That is slander, which has been subsequently elevated to libel because you posted (published) it.


Attempts at distraction by tossing in other topics and posters' names doesn't help your case. You should quit before it's too late.


I did not ignore anything. I looked at every link and video. There was nothing in any of them that showed Palin firing at bear cubs in trees. None of your links support your false claim.

Tousi

Gets tiring, doesn't it, Reba. Good follow-up as usual, though.

Reba

Tiring is right. I need to quit and go to bed. Getting up at 4:30 a.m. is hard enough.

Pinky

I'm with Reba and Maria. I am going to vote for McCain/Palin. I don't believe about CNN, Snopes, Headline CNN are made up a false statement to against Palin. Everyone want to see Palin look bad. Same as everyone made Obama look bad. Palin is re-birth to God and Jesus. Why liberal people are talking about old past? Past is OVER!!!!! It can't change. Just think about future not past!

I found it out about Obama. It turned me off already! I am not telling you guys. If you want to know the truth about Obama? Talk to me on PM not here. Obama is BAD enough! He has 2 faced! I can't believe why snopes, CNN and media are trying make Obama look great president? (scoffs) I have a proof of true statement about Obama's background!

I don't care what AD members think about me vote for Palin. Who is the F@#K CARES??? It's nothing wrong about Alaska's culture to hunt for an animals. My cousin are a hunter for deers and ELK.

Sarah is Pro-Life. She accepted the down syndrome baby. She didn't abort it. Her daughter with pregnancy is not abortion. She didn't get pregnancy by rape. Just a happened. Why do you think Sarah is faulted?? Stop blame on their family. If you're abort your baby with down syndrome and birth defect. It mean you're heartless to baby. No more Debate with me. Stay out of my line.

Liebling, Are you coming from in Alaska or America?? Why you are believe in Palin is bad reputation? Did you see what is she doing in face to face when you live in Alaska? I am not buying your BS links. Snopes is false statement. Obama has a bad reputation either.

For Example, If you get lost in Alaska or Canada by airplane crush on the ground. The cellphones, GPS and phone are gone. Can you do survive when you're hungry with no food and COLD weather? How you would find a food for hungry? If you say bear. Don't you mind for bear attack on you. What you will do? You have to use a knife or rifle shoot at bear. Will you eat a bear's meat? How about eat a fish? Do you know how to make a bonfire to cook a bear and fish meat for your starve? I watched your post "youtube" There is nothing prove it. Maria got right post. It's Alaska's Culture!

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Tousi

Pinky, Leibling lives in Germany, born in the UK.

Pinky

Yeah I know that. I gave her an example.

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Liebling:-)))

Huh? I don´t see anything that I tell you what to do but offer you a friendly suggestion.

I offer you a friendly suggestion to discuss this abortion issues to my other thread, not here to respect the thread creator because this thread here is about Palin.

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Liebling:-)))

wolves did not shoot rabbits, baby mooses for pleasure (trophy and sport hunting) but for the foods...

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I wouldn't vote for Palin... although she is only VP and not running for the President. McCain and Palin just wanted women vote just simply because Palin is a woman. She scares me. I wouldn't be surprised if McCain got the position... he will only last for a short time in the office before Palin would take over. Palin just comes on way too strong for America period. I just hope that party wouldn't win. I'm surprised that people are focusing more on Palin than at McCain. Compairing Palin and Obama? That's weird. It should be McCain and Obama.

(I didn't read the whole thread. I'm just putting my seed of thought.)

Jiro

and do you want to see rabbits, baby mooses to disappear because of overpopulation of wolves?

Liebling:-)))

[QUOTE]This is 4th you changed...

At your first post, you asked me where I read...

1. "Where did you read that she likes to shoot bear cubs? I can't find that story."

I provided the links including mother and cubs for you. You twisted my post and called me as a slanderous lie.

2. "None of them said that Palin enjoys shooting bear cubs."

I repeated to show you the video including written...You denied and continue to call me a liar..

3. "fire at bear cubs on trees".

[FONT="Georgia"]I showed you the exact link including the word over rape-kit issues where I got from Jillo here... I read it... I thought you read it, too... Jillo is first who posted the link but it shows that you doesn´t but call me a lie. the exact word "fire at bear cubs on trees" from link..

You ignore it and pasted my word...

4. "Do you think a pro lifer like her who loves to shoot wolves and also fire at bear cubs on trees as well for the fun?"

You denied and said "You're just digging your hole deeper."


It shows your ignorant and denial. You don´t want to see that the exact word, I got from link.[/FONT]

See? Denial - the original video and pictures, Alaskans´ websites, I posted... You do not want to see it...


You deny it.

No matter what, Palin SUPPORT trophy and sport hunting which mean is enjoy to shoot animal for the fun... I stand my POV and correction... and can say anything what I thought about Palin, I want to... I provided plenty of links. Did you see me call Palin monster, horrible woman, etc? Nope but I stand my POV that she shoot animal for pleasure... period.

Oh wait, I thought you don´t beleive in micromanaging nit picker or what? You use those word to defend McCain at other thread "McCain´s homes"...
Slander:

I do not see anything... I posted original pictures and video... it shows itself that Palin support and spend $400,000 for shoot animals... trophy and sport hunting ... planes... Alaskans asked us to spread the information about Palin to everywhere is not defamatory or false but the fact... because many Alaskans voted against it twice... It´s fact, not defamatory. The links, I compared to Alaska´s websites before post here. The problem is your denial and ignorant.


This is the best proof that you deny it.


If the information, Alaskan want us to spread out is false or whatever then Palin would sue them but she doesn´t. Palin cannot sue them because the original pictures and videos are no lie... Original pictures of many Alaskan protesters... also link from Defend of wildlife... It´s not my own word but I post to support their websites here. I think you don´t understand the difference... I do not create the websites against Palin but I got links from websites to support them.. It´s my POV on websites... If you think the websites, I posted is false then is your POV. We entitle our POV on websites what we support or not. It´s not my statement but Alaskan´s statement because they know Palin.

It proves yourself is denial and ignorant.


You call me a lie because I post websites and entitle my POV, not other ADers who did the same thing as me? It shows itself is hypocritically!


You deny it that I got an exact word from one of Jillo´s links.

If you keep on call me a slanderous lie then you said this YOURSELF!!!!, not me. You look for an arguement and don´t like that I post to support Alaskan´s websites what they know about Palin.

I noticed that you changed/twist the words at Obama vs McCain threads to defend McCain/Palin... We ADers know that McCain is much worst than Bush.

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Jiro

Alaskans? Are you sure this is the expressed representation of the majority of Alaskans' views? As far as I'm concerned - it's just some small group of overly-emotional PETA Alaskan group

Foxrac

Should have something to tell repeatly? Snopes is responsible to correct the error from media or rumor, Snopes aren't lean to liberal or conservative, Snopes had correct on worms from pork that which is false. CNN is more neutral than just lean to liberal, CNN has good guide of both presidents with very small chance of bias against republican. I don't agree with Palin, you have check other thread, such as woman rights, option of war with Russia (Russia has nuclear weapon then you will GONE!!!), no sex education/condom, scandal issues and other her views that I had disagree with her. It's fact based on her interview with media, that how her personality works.

I know that you are favor into improve of economy then McCain-Palin aren't your right choice due McCain had admitted that he has no clue on economy and Palin don't care about it, Obama is one of candidate that have good views of economy. [Mod's edit: Religion discussion removed]

No, Liebling doesn't bullshiting at you, she's just give an link that based on Sarah's interview, usually from media. She's concern about us, really big time for her since she works for US government, most Europeans are support Obama for varies of reason, I'm very pleased with Liebling to being concern about us, also she had visit America so several time. Both of me and Liebling has fairly similar views and if you give more crap on her then she could lose your respect, same goes on me.

You need to be stand up and quit being pick about presidential issue, I had seen you took everything so seriously and call media an bullshit, not all media are so, neither is Snopes, your statement about Obama aren't true either, no need be discuss, we already know that you are going to be very far from being centrist or neutral, even you haven't seen for 8 years during Bush term.

Speaking of hunting, it's true but if species of animals who are in nearly endanger like polar bear should be less on hunting game, right now, rabits and wolves are not endangered, neither is deer or moose.

Be consider yourself, make sure to read carefully to avoid any misunderstood.

I'm rest my case.

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A non-CNN, Snopes, and (CNN) Headline News "false" link: Alaska Women Reject Palin Rally

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Liebling:-)))

Anyway, accord your post...

Quote:

it's just some small group of overly-emotional PETA Alaskan group

Really?

Action Disregards Sentiment of Alaskan Voters - Defenders of Wildlife

Alaska Overrules Voters, Reinstates Aerial Wolf Hunt


Yes, it's my choice to consider the links, I posted here is a reliable. I search Alaskans' view to compare with medias... Yes, I know for the weeks that Palin support for shoot the animals from plane, games for the meat (I thought at first that it's for the meat), etc. and doesn't bother to forward those links to AD Forum because I thought you all know that it's their culture for the foods like the example with bullfighting in Spain... until I spot the one of links, Jillio posted over Rape-Kit issues at 2nd pages of thread here ... is bear CUBS!!! At first I thought it's rumor... I search cubs to find out either it's true or not... it comes everything... and learn to know what and how Palin is for animals... I decided to not post those links here. I expressed my POV over Palin and cubs issues without post links in my first post because I thought you all know from read the medias, etc until Reba asked me where I get it from because she didn't find it so I posted the links from the websites to here voluntarily........ wow.... I didn't know that wolves pups were also killed, too until yesterday. I was appalled over Palin over Rape-Kit issues and then animals for the pleasure... *shake my head sadly*

I search Alaskan's view to compare with medias before post the links to here.

I only post the links as an information for you all, that's all. I'm not here to force you to beleive the links... I already said that if you don't beleive the links, I support then free to post against the links. I cannot force you to beleive this ...

It's your free choice if you beleive or not...

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