Key liberal congressman flips to 'yes' on health care vote

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Then don't reply to him.

I have two reasons to reply his post.

1) I felt that kokonut encouraged me to believe in his views, especially conservative and try to brainwash me so I wouldn't trust him but prefer to ask others whoever is between, especially Jiro.

2) I just want let him know that I don't trust him and don't want him to waste of his time to debate with me because it had done in past.
 
agreed hence my previous post with 3 no's in incremental size. I didn't know about medical trust fund but cool. And of course.... if you want a piece of mind for extra penny... you can opt for health insurance with premium coverage.

As for people especially middle class who can't afford it.... well...... :aw:

We need reform....no doubt. It's the manadtory stuff and a few other things I have a problem with. I still don't see why he won't try the free and simple approaches while we are waiting......Wonder if Obama is scared it will work and keep him from pushing government care through.
 
Tx - your perspective is the same as mine.

I totally hate the idea of "must buy insurance or jail."

I like the european idea - the government is required to provide insurance. People like you can just go anywhere you want bcuz of cash.

And it's true.. going to doctors - Cash: $90 for a visit, cool. Insurance $120-140. wtf.

I prefer to pay for my own healthcare. Thats what I do, at least.

but Germany required you to have insurance, of course, their government does provide an health insurance as well.

Interesting website about what 5 countries are doing with health care.
FRONTLINE: sick around the world: five capitalist democracies & how they do it | PBS
 
I have two reasons to reply his post.

1) I felt that kokonut encouraged me to believe in his views, especially conservative and try to brainwash me so I wouldn't trust him but prefer to ask others whoever is between, especially Jiro.

2) I just want let him know that I don't trust him and don't want him to waste of his time to debate with me because it had done in past.

Just ignore him.

Jilio and Jiro pretty much... respond for you. I don't see why you have to illustrate you're ignoring him .
 
that is what I'm referring to. the capitalism in America. Unregulated? no way. Beside - is there such a thing as pure unregulated capitalism nowadays? if there was - it's short-lived.

Yup, I believe that banks in US in 1800's are unstable, that what I found from my friend.
 
We need reform....no doubt. It's the manadtory stuff and a few other things I have a problem with. I still don't see why he won't try the free and simple approaches while we are waiting......Wonder if Obama is scared it will work and keep him from pushing government care through.

lobbyists $$$$$$
 
I dont agree with the jail time. I think a public option should be offered. Pay for your own private health insurance or get free healthcare. I am sure there are many who wouldnt want to be without health insurance.

Second here, I wouldn't mind about universal medical care (similar to NHS) but it is basic and non-fancy that won't cost so much of taxpayers, it would cover any treatment that which isn't elective like cancer, heart attack, stroke, other diseases. I know it would be longer wait and not good as private but better than no health care at all. If you want better or perfect treatment so go for private insurance.

or other option about government offers health insurance at cheap price that would pay any treatment that which isn't elective either, it would be good for middle class whoever couldn't afford to get private insurance or their workplace don't offers.
 
I think I read somewhere that there are 30 or more States ready to sue if this thing goes through.
 
I think I read somewhere that there are 30 or more States ready to sue if this thing goes through.

Yup, I heard about it and I'm going forget about mandatory insurance coverage so favor in other two options that I replied to Shel.
 
I think I read somewhere that there are 30 or more States ready to sue if this thing goes through.

38 to be exact. I live in one of them. At 38 I guess most of us do.....Texas is also looking at a measure to just say no....we won't participate. Maybe it will be the shot that starts secession.....Who knows
 
38 to be exact. I live in one of them. At 38 I guess most of us do.....Texas is also looking at a measure to just say no....we won't participate. Maybe it will be the shot that starts secession.....Who knows

Uh Oh, Texas, please don't go! :lol:
 

Idaho on Wednesday became the first state to pass a law saying no thanks to part of President Obama’s health care proposal.

The Idaho Health Care Freedom Act says in part, “every person within the state of Idaho is and shall be free to choose or decline to choose any mode of securing health care services without penalty or threat of penalty.”

Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter, a Republican, said Wednesday he signed it because he believes any health care laws should ensure people are “treated as an individual, rather than as an amorphous mass whose only purpose in this world is to obey federal mandates.”

Several other states may follow suit.

Proposals like this, attacking the individual mandate but also health care reform in general, have been introduced in 36 states with almost identical language. ALEC, a right-wing outfit that feeds legislative language to state Republican lawmakers, basically wrote these bills. And I’d expect the well-funded legal arm of the conservative movement to fight to block implementation of the federal bill, taking it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary. Whether they would have the votes to essentially reopen the nullification issue is unclear. But we’ll almost certainly get an answer on this before the exchanges and the individual mandate get set into place.
 
Idaho on Wednesday became the first state to pass a law saying no thanks to part of President Obama’s health care proposal.

The Idaho Health Care Freedom Act says in part, “every person within the state of Idaho is and shall be free to choose or decline to choose any mode of securing health care services without penalty or threat of penalty.”

Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter, a Republican, said Wednesday he signed it because he believes any health care laws should ensure people are “treated as an individual, rather than as an amorphous mass whose only purpose in this world is to obey federal mandates.”

Several other states may follow suit.

Proposals like this, attacking the individual mandate but also health care reform in general, have been introduced in 36 states with almost identical language. ALEC, a right-wing outfit that feeds legislative language to state Republican lawmakers, basically wrote these bills. And I’d expect the well-funded legal arm of the conservative movement to fight to block implementation of the federal bill, taking it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary. Whether they would have the votes to essentially reopen the nullification issue is unclear. But we’ll almost certainly get an answer on this before the exchanges and the individual mandate get set into place.

In bold, Where are your source? It isn't match as mine that I posted.
 
In bold, Where are your source? It isn't match as mine that I posted.

I googled...Several artical say it.....and this isnt even the same article as I read yesterday that said the same thing. Both say 37....add Virgina and it is 38
 
I googled...Several artical say it.....and this isnt even the same article as I read yesterday that said the same thing. Both say 37....add Virgina and it is 38

Link?
 
Are you sure? You would never know if you lose a lot of money or have serious health problem that cost more than your savings so you could left as no money left to pay medical expenses in full.

I had seen many uninsured patients are irresponsible or couldn't afford to get insurance so hospital could lose the money or private hospital would have close the ER to prevent any uninsured patients goes in.

There's around 50 million Americans don't have insurance so we need help them to covered without any fear about hospital would lose the money and we could get less doctors in near future.

And it can happen to people even with insurance. It happened to my roomate that I had while I stayed in rehab last summer after a severe infection.

She and hubby got hit by a truck on the highway. She says she incurred a $17k worth of medical bills just for 9 hours and and that's not including the other medical costs that she and hubby have to face. He has permanent brain damage from that accident and he will require rehab.

She had already been staying at my rehab center a month before I came and my medical insurance paid about 14k for my expenses and I only stayed two weeks. I owe about a thousand dollars worth and I've been paying some of it off each month.

Based on what my roomate told me, it's likely she and hubby are facing half a million in medical expenses which is enough to wipe out many people's savings
 
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