Is fish consider meat?

Is fish consider meat?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 81.3%

  • No

    Votes: 5 15.6%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Total voters
    32
Jiro said:
yup. that's why i have a balanced diet.... all thanks to my mom. I usually eat meat 2x a week and fish 3x a week. Vegetables are served at every meal.
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I was always taught that the categories were meat/poultry/fish and seafood.
 
Jiro said:
lol colorful description there but sorry - I don't believe fishes have feeling (like person) just because they squirm when feeling pain. it's merely a reflex... Fish does not have a brain to recognize pain. Some fishes stay together for survival purpose, not for social purpose. I think you're confusing that with dolphins. Fish is a very simple organism with "programmed" brain - they flee when seeing predator. their body shakes when hooked. they mate when seeing a female. The scientists have not been able to prove that fishes have feeling.

about fishes attacking people... are you talking about piranhas?
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Feeling the pain is no different than person to feel the pain. If we are cannibals or animals killed humans for foods are also meat.

Dolphins, sharks, jellyfish, anything that live in the water are fish, feel free to look up on the wikipeida for "Fish". And yes it's very obsiviously that fish do have feelings, they flee from predators, watching over their eggs and babies, and everything.
 
jillio said:
I was always taught that the categories were meat/poultry/fish and seafood.
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woops! I forgot about poultry. I eat that couple times a week as well. and yes that categories are correct.... just like what you see in restaurant menu.

An interesting thought - since people do consider fish as meat just because it's a living thing with flesh & organs.... hmmm how about a bug? :hmm:
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Feeling the pain is no different than person to feel the pain. If we are cannibals or animals killed humans for foods are also meat.

Dolphins, sharks, jellyfish, anything that live in the water are fish, feel free to look up on the wikipeida for "Fish". And yes it's very obsiviously that fish do have feelings, they flee from predators, watching over their eggs and babies, and everything.
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dolphins are mammal..... Jellyfish is not a fish... it's a Cnidaria... Feel free to look it up on wikipedia for dolpins and jellyfish.
 
Jiro said:
woops! I forgot about poultry. I eat that couple times a week as well. and yes that categories are correct.... just like what you see in restaurant menu.

An interesting thought - since people do consider fish as meat just because it's a living thing with flesh & organs.... hmmm how about a bug? :hmm:
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Bugs do not have blood.

But that does raise an interesting question.
 
Jiro said:
woops! I forgot about poultry. I eat that couple times a week as well. and yes that categories are correct.... just like what you see in restaurant menu.

An interesting thought - since people do consider fish as meat just because it's a living thing with flesh & organs.... hmmm how about a bug? :hmm:
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Or a meal worm?
 
Babyblue said:
Bugs do not have blood.

But that does raise an interesting question.
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Bugs do have "blood" but it's just not same as vertebrate blood lol. When you squished the bug (with your shoe or newspaper)... u see the gooey liquid all over, right? that is bug blood... called hemolymph.
 
Jiro said:
I've ate a bag of fried meal worm. god...... it was GOOD and very healthy! full of proteins!
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I'm sure I have eaten a few larvae in corn meal, flour, or oatmeal without even being aware of it!:giggle:
 
PuyoPiyo said:
I am not going to copy and paste, it's long paragraph, but very important paragraph. It explains everything about the fish, even a brain and nervous system in the fish.

Fish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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From the link you provided -
In 2003, Scottish scientists at the University of Edinburgh performing research on rainbow trout concluded that fish exhibit behaviors often associated with pain.[20] Professor James D. Rose of the University of Wyoming critiqued the study, claiming it was flawed.[21] Rose had published his own study a year earlier arguing that fish cannot feel pain as they lack the appropriate neocortex in the brain.[22]
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Just because fish has brain and nervous system doesn't mean it's advanced enough to have human-like function. It's a very simple brain with very simple function and stimuli responses.

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Pain is a complex experience to measure -- especially when the subject can't self-report. Mammals, such as your dog or cat, display more obvious pain signals by breathing heavily, guarding the wounded area of their bodies and vocalizing distress. Fish, on the other hand, thrash about on the end of the line, but that's about it.
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According to the International Association for the Study of Pain, pain is a twofold experience. First, you have the neurobio*logical process of our nerves communicating with the brain. Second, there's the emotional response to pain that varies from person to person.
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One of the primary arguments against fish having a sense of pain is that their brains lack the structural elements, namely the neocortex, necessary for it. Although fish's brains are certainly less complex than ours, they aren't mindlessly floating around in the water. Akin to the fight-or-flight response, fish have chemicals in their bodies that are released when they're in danger [source: Chandroo, Duncan and Moccia]. Fish also possess pain nerve fiber tracts in their bodies that are similar to those that tetrapods (vertebrates with four limbs) have [source: Chandroo, Duncan and Moccia]. Overall, the scientific consensus is that fish have the anatomical requirements to demonstrate neurophysiologic and behavioral reactions to pain as a means of survival [source: Braithwaite and Huntingford].

However, little evidence exists to suggest that the fish also react emotionally to pain like humans. As another way of safeguarding our bodies, our pain response comes with a negative emotional reaction that excites the amygdala in our brains and forms a memory of the unpleasant effect of a particular stimulus. For that reason, most children will touch a hot stove only once. Fish brains do contain an amygdaloid complex, but it produces aggression rather than fear [source: Chandroo, Duncan and Moccia]. Nevertheless, fish are able to form sensory memories. For instance, trout can remember how to avoid getting caught in fishing nets months after the initial experience [source: Donkin]. So while it remains unclear whether fish genuinely suffer from pain, memories of it stick in their brains.
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jillio said:
I'm sure I have eaten a few larvae in corn meal, flour, or oatmeal without even being aware of it!:giggle:
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I remember this!
Was in statistics or something, and unknownst to humans, we would be devouring mealworm larvae in cereals or other forms of grain products, at a game of chance. If I recall, the textbook or professor was saying it was a pretty decent chance too.


I guess you can't be a honest true vegetarian these days unless you grow you own food or something haha.

Back to topic: Bugs do that "fleeing" thing as well when they know they are being hunted or endangered. Like when you cut a worm, it thrashes about. Maybe that puts it in the same categorization as fish?
 
jillio said:
I'm sure I have eaten a few larvae in corn meal, flour, or oatmeal without even being aware of it!:giggle:
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sadly true. Same for vegetables and meat. I remember reading article about it from a few years ago. We eat dirt & droppings & whatever the creatures left for us too. Nothing is 100% clean but it is within very safe enough for our immune system to destroy it.

sounds disgusting yes but no biggie :cool2:
 
naisho said:
I remember this!
Was in statistics or something, and unknownst to humans, we would be devouring mealworm larvae in cereals or other forms of grain products, at a game of chance. If I recall, the textbook or professor was saying it was a pretty decent chance too.


I guess you can't be a honest true vegetarian these days unless you grow you own food or something haha.
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even if you grow your own food.... you'll still be eating "something else" as well... unless you raise it in a completely sealed, controlled, sterilized environment.
 
jillio said:
I'm sure I have eaten a few larvae in corn meal, flour, or oatmeal without even being aware of it!:giggle:
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Don't forgot eggs. I am still having a nightmare from class I took in horticular years ago, they showed us slides of pictures on those bugs, eggs and larvaes in those wheat, rye, corn, etc... I can not image how many eggs I have eaten all of my life. U can find them in candy bars at the stores or vending machines. And I even ate a cockroach at resturant once. yuck.
 
jazzy said:
Don't forgot eggs. I am still having a nightmare from class I took in horticular years ago, they showed us slides of pictures on those bugs, eggs and larvaes in those wheat, rye, corn, etc... I can not image how many eggs I have eaten all of my life. U can find them in candy bars at the stores or vending machines. And I even ate a cockroach at resturant once. yuck.
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Yep, eggs, too!
 
Jiro said:
lol colorful description there but sorry - I don't believe fishes have feeling (like person) just because they squirm when feeling pain. it's merely a reflex... Fish does not have a brain to recognize pain. Some fishes stay together for survival purpose, not for social purpose. I think you're confusing that with dolphins. Fish is a very simple organism with "programmed" brain - they flee when seeing predator. their body shakes when hooked. they mate when seeing a female. The scientists have not been able to prove that fishes have feeling.

about fishes attacking people... are you talking about piranhas?
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Sure sounds like some kind of pain to me, lol. I ate only one lobster in my life, until I found how how social those creatures are. They mate for life and spend all day visiting each other on the ocean bottoms. People assure me that lobsters do not feel pain when dropped into boiling water, but I do not believe it for a second. All creatures have consciousness and who are we to say how they are feeling? The Native Americans understood this and give thanks to each creature they kill.
 
Beowulf said:
Sure sounds like some kind of pain to me, lol. I ate only one lobster in my life, until I found how how social those creatures are. They mate for life and spend all day visiting each other on the ocean bottoms. People assure me that lobsters do not feel pain when dropped into boiling water, but I do not believe it for a second. All creatures have consciousness and who are we to say how they are feeling? The Native Americans understood this and give thanks to each creature they kill.
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here's a funny thing.... when you feel pain, we have emotional attachment to it... thus we do not repeat it. Now.... for fish? they repeated it even though it elicited pain response from fish.. thus concluded that fish has no emotional attachment to "pain" and that it's merely an automatic reflex.

oh about Native Americans thing... I don't think they give thanks to creative because of pain response... it's because they were thankful to their God for food. Christians prayed before meal even if the food is completely vegetarian...

:dunno:
 
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