I signed this very Pro-American petition

No !!!! My God !!!! The issue here is not marriage.

The issue here is about the US Political system being explioted and manipulated to a foriegn country's Anti-American agenda through the means of a politican using dual citizenship exactly for this inappropriate purpose.
 
To everyone:

You might find these facts interesting.

There are many countries, other than the United States, that do not accept dual citizenship, or accept it only under exceptional conditions.

Dual nationality is permitted with minimal exceptional prohibition: 59 countries

Dual nationality is normally permitted with considerable exceptional prohibition: 15 countries and Taiwan

Dual nationality is normally prohibited with considerable exceptional permission: 35 countries

Dual nationality is prohibited with minimal exceptional permission: 74 countries

The situation is unknown: 9 countries and Palestine

So you see, dual citizenship is NOT accepted in many countries.
 
Yes, Reba, you are right, but does it mean US have to follow everybody else's agenda? We certainly didn't when our president jumped the gun with declaring the war (unofficially) with Iraq. Many countries don't promote immigration or encourage immigration. Well, America cannot suddenly deny immigration after a LONG LONG streak of immigrants-- everybody is from somewhere. America is all about people achieving their dreams in a land where everybody is free. Why should America be panicked about people being "unloyal" to America? They *want* to be here but they also still want to be openly proud of their native countries.
The only reason people are freaking out about dual citizenships because of the war. I am telling you, if we are not in war, Heath will sing a DIFFERENT tune.
It is all a PANIC.

When Finland lifted their bans on dual citizenships, my mother (an outcast for 30+years when she was forced to forfeit her Finnish citizenship to live in America) fleed to their passport offices and applied citizenship for herself and for her children, and she was jumped with joy when they accepted all of us. At least, she can be called "Finnish" again! (I don't want to make a :repost: because I have posted a thread about dual citizenships somewhere but you can understand my passion about perserving my heritage).

But according to Heath (by my assumptions of his intentions of this thread), my mother is considered unloyal to America. How can she?? She is loyal enough to give up her native language and culture for 30+ years! Couldn't she has both worlds of being an American and a Finnish? Couldn't I have both?!
 
Heath said:
* Sighs , you missed my point completely again. *
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here is my point, screw that "pro American" crap.

Let's all be "Pro Human being" instead
 
Heath said:
* Sighs , you missed my point completely again. *
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Which is??? I didn't mention NOTHING about marriage which others misunderstood your point...

State your point in one simple sentence, then
 
College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says.

By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.

The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative.

"What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. ..."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html
 
Surprising that business schools don't have more conservatives than liberals? I'd be interested in seeing the numbers for business schools in the Southeast, because the impression I got in undergrad was that a lot of my professors were either conservative or libertarian, not liberal.
 
I am grateful for liberal Professors, they have the
mighty task of trying to teach students who have had
their brains polluted by conservative parents
 
bbnt said:
I am grateful for liberal Professors, they have the
mighty task of trying to teach students who have had
their brains polluted by conservative parents
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If you ask me, brains are only polluted if a parent is teaching hatred. My parents are likely conservative by your standards but are not hateful people in the least, nor do they hold hateful beliefs. Please be more careful before making statements like this because it can make you seem very intolerant and arrogant towards those who do not share your exact viewpoints. Not everyone who disagrees with you does so out of irrational reasons--some of us have spent a great deal of time thinking and researching before coming to a conclusion.
 
Rose Immortal said:
If you ask me, brains are only polluted if a parent is teaching hatred. My parents are likely conservative by your standards but are not hateful people in the least, nor do they hold hateful beliefs. Please be more careful before making statements like this because it can make you seem very intolerant and arrogant towards those who do not share your exact viewpoints. Not everyone who disagrees with you does so out of irrational reasons--some of us have spent a great deal of time thinking and researching before coming to a conclusion.
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I will stand by what I said
 
bbnt said:
I will stand by what I said
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OIC. You prefer intollerant biased professors. Well, at least you will have no problem finding them.
 
bbnt said:
I will stand by what I said
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It is one thing for a professor to challenge how a student thinks in order to see how carefully he/she considered a position. This can have two different results, to strengthen the student's initial belief if it stands up to challenge for a significant time against someone with that kind of research background, or it can end up changing the student's belief if it will not hold up. I had a professor who took this attitude--that even if you disagreed with him, what he wanted to see was independent thought. We argued about labor unions all semester but I came away keeping my same beliefs...just better-informed as to WHY I had them. Ultimately I found out that this professor respected the fact that I would stand up to him instead of just kissing up and repeating what he wanted to hear.

It is another thing for a professor to engage in an ideological crusade. Sometimes this can include verbally bullying students, other times it is more subtle, such as presenting only one side of an issue and then using one's position to lie to students and say that's ALL that's out there. That is morally wrong because a lie of omission is still a lie. There is a huge difference between a professor who lies in that way, and one who presents BOTH sides in depth without any distortions and then states his/her opinion (as did the first one I used as an example). So let's see--which tactics would you approve of or not approve of?
 
bbnt said:
I am grateful for liberal Professors, they have the
mighty task of trying to teach students who have had
their brains polluted by conservative parents
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I stand by BBNT's statement....

Yeah, I was learning from the great professor to let anyone sharing their different religious briefs in humananstic courses. I do not see any problem with it. It is much better than any fraking bible college. I respect anyone in various of religions.

Reba, how often have you been to India Cruise/Kabob restaurant? Have you ever try some tasty Lamb Masala? How about Tandoori Chicken? Yum! Have you tasted India' own Basmati rice? How about Naan (freshly cooked bread from Tandoor)? Oh yeah, have you been to Hindu Temple before? I thought so....

No wonder why you are raised by your Christian conservative parents....
 
mld4ds said:
...Reba, how often have you been to India Cruise/Kabob restaurant? Have you ever try some tasty Lamb Masala? How about Tandoori Chicken? Yum! Have you tasted India' own Basmati rice? How about Naan (freshly cooked bread from Tandoor)? Oh yeah, have you been to Hindu Temple before? I thought so....

No wonder why you are raised by your Christian conservative parents....
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I don't know what different foods have to do with this topic. I enjoy eatting a variety of ethnic foods, at a variety of restaurants. What's your point?

No, I haven't been to a Hindu temple. So what?

For your information, I was NOT raised in a conservative Christian family. In fact, my dad was an atheist alcoholic womanizer.

I didn't become a Christian until age 28 years. Also, I got my first college degree (from a public college) before becoming a Christian.

What's your point?
 
Food for Thoughts....

Reba said:
I don't know what different foods have to do with this topic. I enjoy eatting a variety of ethnic foods, at a variety of restaurants. What's your point?

No, I haven't been to a Hindu temple. So what?

For your information, I was NOT raised in a conservative Christian family. In fact, my dad was an atheist alcoholic womanizer.

I didn't become a Christian until age 28 years. Also, I got my first college degree (from a public college) before becoming a Christian.

What's your point?
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Reba, I got a funny feeling that I may have shot my foot before posting.

I assumed you may have risen from your Christian family that way you’re speaking of your strong values in Jesus, King James versions and Heaven Father. So I am deadly wrong. First of all, I like to deeply apologize for your terrible history with your father.

As you may see that everyone in strong Christian community always speaking loudly, I am annoyed for getting more donations. I would prefer to donate money to any non-profit organization rather than any church.

What is the point if no one is so conservative for not accepting any different religious briefs? You can learn to taste different type of food in different cultures and religions….

Guess what? My parents-in-law bless me for my wife keeping her belief in Hindu…

How do you know about Hindu? You do not need to surf the Hindu info via the Internet. Hindu Temple does not hurt you if you enter into. The Hindu priests would not come directly you unless you have any question. You may ask for blessing and you will obtain a dot on your forehead.

What about Protestant? Baptism? Mormon? Jude? Muslim? JW? Naturally, I have visited different churchs and temples. Moreover, I do respect their briefs but I do not need to join. That's why I am a mixed mutt of Catholic and Protestant. I am just a natural man, and I do not need to listen whole crabby-theory divine lecturers who hungrily grab for large donations in massive religious media.

BTW, I did not mention of your college background....
 
mld4ds said:
Reba, I got a funny feeling that I may have shot my foot before posting.

I assumed you may have risen from your Christian family that way you’re speaking of your strong values in Jesus, King James versions and Heaven Father. So I am deadly wrong. First of all, I like to deeply apologize for your terrible history with your father.
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No problem. We all make mistakes. :hug:


... I would prefer to donate money to any non-profit organization rather than any church.
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I don't blame you. You should give your money only to groups that support your beliefs. I would never expect non-believers to give money to my church.


... You can learn to taste different type of food in different cultures and religions….
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Tasting different foods and cultures is fine. "Tasting" different religions is not the same situation. Before I became a born-again Christian, I did "taste" and explore various religions and beliefs. But they did not satisfy me. Why? Because that empty space in my heart was a special shape that only Jesus could fill. When Jesus saved me, my search was over, finished.

Guess what? My parents-in-law bless me for my wife keeping her belief in Hindu…
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I believe you. I'm glad that you have a good relationship with your in-laws.

How do you know about Hindu? You do not need to surf the Hindu info via the Internet. Hindu Temple does not hurt you if you enter into...
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The closest Hindu temple to my home is about 100 miles away. I doubt that I will be checking it out.

What about Protestant? Baptism? Mormon? Jude? Muslim? JW?
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When I was a child/teen, I visited many different churches, and had friends of many different religions. My best friends were Catholics, Greek Orthodox, and Jews. My good friend in boot camp was Mormon. When I was a teen, I researched reincarnation, pre-birth regression, witchcraft, and yoga. My mom's relatives were Baptist and Brethren, and sometimes we attended Methodist church and Congregationalist church. My dad's family was humanist.

My relationship is with Jesus Christ. He is not a religion. He is God and my Savior. :)

BTW, I did not mention of your college background....
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Not directly, but I was relating that to the liberal college professor topic.
 
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