I have a question and would like some feedbacks

[Angel]

Someone said that we are entitled to our opinions, right or wrong. Now if someone thinks an opinion is "wrong" because of misinformation, non-factual things, or thru naivette, then expect to hear about it! Isn't that how we evolve and learn?

True, but when it comes to that, some of them do not come across in a nice way but put someone down just because someone voice their opinion that you strongly feel is wrong.....I believe people can do alot MORE better than that when it comes to whoever may be wrong, but does that give the person a right to call them names, telling them they're not allow in that thread?..

I mean take a look at oursevles here, we are an adults , we should act like one by being able to come across to people in a nice way no matter what their opinion may be, RIGHT or WRONG....

 

[Beowulf]

I'll never understand women, so I had better ask an expert. But whom?
Hmmm, let's see, I cannot ask another woman, because if you want to know about monkeys, do you ask another monkey or anthropologist? So therefore in order to understand women you must ask...... Hmmm, never mind, I lost it.

 

[Angel]

BTW, Cheri, Another day, You took my post off from your tread for no reason..((((cough))) excuxe me, i better getta go... enjoy stay!

Huh?...umm actually the mods removes threads/posts not the members here, and when a thread is going way off the topic, the mods/owner has the right to remove a couple of posts to just stay on the topic, it called respect the ones who created their thread

Have a nice Thanksgiving!

 

[WBHarley]

in my own eyes, and my mind of course...


In my opinions, people do have their own opinions entitled! I believe NO ONE is perfect, and No one should or shall tell other person what to do etc... Everyone were brought up different way, each person has their own opinions on what they can decided or do.... I believe that if someone wants to share their idea, or experiencing or anything they can "suggest say it is in my opinions or in my believing"

Wendy

 

[Fly Free]

yea WBHarley -- i agree

if ppl says "...that would be my opinion" would be ok as opposed to someone being egostitical saying "...im an EXPERT abt this issue" i would think they cant prove that they actually had EXTENSIVE experience in an area and thats hard to prove online too with just ppl commenting and not have any validated experiences behind the comments like for example -- experts brought into court to testify abt a case be it a psych evaluations, forensic evaluations and such -- they would have to have EXTENSIVE experience to build up over the years to become an "expert" and is a trusted source of knowledge in a specific field along with ofc college creditentials

thats my thoughts on this topic

 

[TiaraPrincess]

Someone said that we are entitled to our opinions, right or wrong. Now if someone thinks an opinion is "wrong" because of misinformation, non-factual things, or thru naivette, then expect to hear about it! Isn't that how we evolve and learn?

I agree with you Tousi. We needed to have seen what you said about wrong information or vague info. No matter how much, sometimes the other party comes up with something else negative because they want to be right. It's hard, oh well....

Well, I don't know. I think this forum is doing fine as it is. Every forum on the web has its problems even in real life society. I don't think it's going to be easy to achieve peace in forums. Just remind people to respect your opinion and remind yourself of your own too. Hey, I have known more than a speech therapist about CI when she's been working with CI children since 1980's. How could someone like that not know as much or more than I? Well, because I read a lot of papers, articles, etc. on CI. The CI thread is very controversial, and if I am right, most people do not like CI in this thread. So.....until we have enough people for CI, then it's not going to be easy to agree or disagree in a fair manner. I am sorry if I sound one-sided, but let me hear your opinions if you have one.

Look at political threads too. Everyone calling the other ones stupid because they believe in Bush. Come on there......If I was stupid, then my life would have been messed up because I make stupid choices.

There's also controversy for gay/lesbian issues. Most of the time one sided and calling the others name because they are homophobic? How do they know? If someone feel they have to document the Bible for this. Let them! If that's their reason and belief source, then that's what it is. We get our beliefs from our own sources. How can the Bible not be relevant to someone? This is a hard topic like the CI topic.

I was in another forum where I was the only one for Bush. Someone came in after election to say to Bush voters that they'll see how wrong we were in the next 4 years. WTF? How can someone be so evil being a bigot for Democracy? I knew something like that would happen. You know, there's always an a-s every once in awhile.

We are humans with opinions unique of our own. If you don't know something as fact or can't accept it look it up again. Documents your findings or ask for it. You scare people who have no more to say. If you have to disrespect, guess we have to stop right there and come back later after recomposing our emotions.

 

[TiaraPrincess]

they would have to have EXTENSIVE experience to build up over the years to become an "expert" and is a trusted source of knowledge in a specific field along with ofc college creditentials

thats my thoughts on this topic

I disagree that you need a college degree or a real life training experience to be an expert in something. My dad's an expert in plants. He didn't have any formal training, but when you talk to him, he knows so much about it like my mom said, it's like he has an encyclopedia in his brain. If it's your hobby and you do a lot of reading, then you have an expertise. Also, you can tell when someone is just blabbering stupid information by the way they portray their information. They say a bunch of stupid things that makes you question their saying.

 

[Tousi]

TiaraPrincess, thank you for your post; one reason why I think sometimes we get reduced to telling people off is because we see the person posting the SAME wrong information again and again, leading me to believe that they don't really read posts; they appear to gloss over real over the article real fast, looking for "hot button" words that will set them off and not learn that they are repeatedly posting misinformation. It gets to be a vicious cycle, ya know? Anyway, thanks again.....

 

[kuifje75]

Ok, I know what this is about. These folks do not accept what you believe in and will bash you if you do not agree with them. Sometimes it is not even about "misinformation." For example, if one happens to be gay, others may think it is ok, and other member will simply bash saying it is a disease, bla bla bla. They just don't simply say that they do not agree that it is ok to be homosexual, but they go further than that to say that it is disgusting, etc... And that is opinion, not real life experience. If I try to reproach them for that, they will not see my point and will not agree to disagree with me at all, keeping bashing at me with opinions.

 

[Cheri]

TiaraPrincess, thank you for your post; one reason why I think sometimes we get reduced to telling people off is because we see the person posting the SAME wrong information again and again, leading me to believe that they don't really read posts; they appear to gloss over real over the article real fast, looking for "hot button" words that will set them off and not learn that they are repeatedly posting misinformation. It gets to be a vicious cycle, ya know? Anyway, thanks again.....

Tousi,
*sigh*

This is exactly what I am saying about people like you for example, which ticks me off. Just because a person who doesn't have a CI meaning they do not know anything about CI! Just like a hearing person who posted about Sign Language how annoying it is to them so it is wrong for them to think that way? No! It is how they see it and feel. They do not have to be deaf to understand Sign Language same goes for anything etc. for example... Even if People who doesn't have children think CI is best for them, Are you saying they do not know what they are talking about because, they aren't parent so they have no options to have an opinion? Yes they do have a right to have an opionion just like anyone.

 

[Cheri]

Ok, I know what this is about. These folks do not accept what you believe in and will bash you if you do not agree with them. Sometimes it is not even about "misinformation." For example, if one happens to be gay, others may think it is ok, and other member will simply bash saying it is a disease, bla bla bla. They just don't simply say that they do not agree that it is ok to be homosexual, but they go further than that to say that it is disgusting, etc... And that is opinion, not real life experience. If I try to reproach them for that, they will not see my point and will not agree to disagree with me at all, keeping bashing at me with opinions.

Exactly! kuifje75. It's all about opinion not real life experience, That is why we have a forum to learn from others, What kind of forum would be for just people who know it all?! Nobody wants that.

 

[Angel]

one reason why I think sometimes we get reduced to telling people off is because we see the person posting the SAME wrong information again and again

There you said it, that the problem here, just because someone may have the wrong information, facts, or view whatever it may be, then someone or a group of people come along and run them over by insulting, name-calling, or telling them they do not belong in that thread all because that person only posting their opinions, it doesn't matter if the person keeps going on and on with the wrong information, either ignore that person or try your best to respond in a way as an ADULT would do....Forum is for EVERYONE not just a few group of people who know it all!!!

 

[Opal]

Removed Posts??????

I came here to find my two posts on this Cheri's thread has been removed.
I didn't swearing or off-topic!
Perhaps I am wasting my time writing this in case it will be removed again???????????

 

[Opal]

TiaraPrincess, thank you for your post; one reason why I think sometimes we get reduced to telling people off is because we see the person posting the SAME wrong information again and again, leading me to believe that they don't really read posts; they appear to gloss over real over the article real fast, looking for "hot button" words that will set them off and not learn that they are repeatedly posting misinformation. It gets to be a vicious cycle, ya know? Anyway, thanks again.....

Yes, I agreed.

Sometimes I received PMs from members telling me OFF for not reply to his/her post quicker enough, I though heck, why should I write fast without thinking twice first..................

I don't want to look fool for any wrong and misinformation answers!!

It is ok to wait for a week or even 4 weeks because my Life comes first,
anyway I am off to take my boat out for fishing weekend, bye bye folks!!!

 

[Tousi]

Oh so now I get the twin barrels from the blondes now when I was only trying to have us come to an understanding? If you see someone coming in with the wrong information repeatedly, you ignore them? Like hell, let the cancer grow, huh? Jeezzz, opinions need to have some serious and responsible thought behind them and emotions held in check. and if someone points out an obvious error in formulating that "opinion", why wouldn't that person just say so or alter position? I have been wrong before and will be wrong again and it doesn't bother me, in fact, it is incumbent upon me to do the right thing and straighten the matter out.

the name calling, etc, ad nauseaum, you talk about is greatly exaggerated and you would see that too if you wanted to. Sure, people get a little heated but not to the extend y'all say.....I really don't want to be spinning my wheels here and I am sure you don't want to expend too much emotional energy in one place, either; life is too short, right?

Which reminds me, Tamara, I hope you catch your limit of fish and I hope all of you here in AD and people elsewhere had a nice Thanksgiving.

 

[Roadrunner]

A particularly good thread that deserves attention and feedback...thank you Cheri

As most of us have either experienced or seen from time to time in any online Forum, once in awhile, there tend to be a certain 'group' of members taking a heavily vocal stand on certain issues, etc., and when a new member or visitor (or even a regular member outside the affiliated group) jumping in with an expressed view entirely different or opposed to the views by this group itself...there's no problem at that point, the problem lies beyond that, where and when a specific group will gather together with posts to the point of almost shutting down that visitor's/new member's view or opinion whereas they'll feel that they aren't allowed to express in a Forum, not allowed to agree to disagree....then the purposes of that Forum shuns (avoids, keep clear of) the integrity (honesty or state of being UNdivided) for ALL members/visitors/new members!! Simply put, ANY Forum should be 'open' and 'respected' between everyone who posts with their own views/opinions without having the feeling of being 'unwanted', 'put down'...and not one-sided such as a group pulling together with posts running down anyone else's different views/opinions...These sorts of groups usually will act out like they're the experts and that's where problems begin...I've seen my share of this problematic drama over the years (yes, I've moderated another Forum besides this one for several years)....

The sad thing of it is this...IMO, we as Deaf adults, our numbers total world-wide is relatively small compared to the vast number of hearing people...
it's upsetting whenever within our Deaf community, problems that arises which seem so frivolous and pointless whereas we all could strive a bit harder to get along with one another, to work alongside on a common ground...I do realize there are times when each of us won't agree on certain things...but when certain 'acts' that is rather rude, or even to the point of being 'bullyish' with a few people (members, etc.) is totally uncall for and really downright plain stupid all because what one or a few may have to say...our best intentions would be by breaking down those 'barriers', so-called groups/functions that act out in their OWN expertly defiable and nonchalant (indifferent) ways that only sums up 'one' thing...degrades the infrastructure (social unit) of the Deaf community itself!

Someone said that we are entitled to our opinions, right or wrong. Now if someone thinks an opinion is "wrong" because of misinformation, non-factual things, or thru naivette, then expect to hear about it! Isn't that how we evolve and learn?

True, but how it's being done IS the question at hand, how it's being approached which gives way to disregard, lack of respect just because a group of so-called experts know the 'right' answers and when seeing another member indifferent from their own views is being put down in a big way, leaving those 'few' members 'eating dirt' to the gratification of these so-called experts...now tell me...isn't that deplorable and degrading when all that could be rectified (put right, adjusted) by communicating in a more sensible manner best served for the well being of the Deaf Community/Forum?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Good thread here, Cheri

I'll answer later.

 

[XBGMER]

I aint here to tryign to be defence myself against this.. I aint looking for myself-defence or any defence. I don't care whatever you put something the words against me. because i aint go looking for troublemake to cause this or other topics.. I expect me to be respect and share their various topics. i expect all advers have pleasure and share eachothers with their emotions, thoughts, and speakings for their opportunity!

Sorry, I just fail to see your point. *shrugs* in any case, have a nice thanksgiving.

:gives: ? Magatsu, Are you trying to embarrass me what you dont get my point? i ain't embarrass at all in anyway.. So, me neither, I dont get what is your asking speicfic whichever you fail to see my point..

I am sorry I do not have any idea what you are talking about. I for one cannot remove anyone's posts. Only the Moderators allow to do so. And I did not ask them to do it. You could ask them all I care. I am just being honest here.

Cheri, Sorry that you don't know what i talk about it? :roll: I am actually sure that you did read what i put the post of my messages in your other thread " Name One Thing....", I did not put any curse or offened by the word decribing it. I put it to gave my opinion and adivce for everyone. However, I was so puzzle and never understand why you or mods whoever remove my post from your another thread. because i did not put any curse or insult with my words of spoke in your thread.. that is remarkable strange and no reason.. I do respect that you or whoever are not appericate what i give my good advices. that is okay.. I do actually accpet it. I aint whine about that.. anyway let it go and forget about me .... I just leave it with this.. so just move on, and enjoy stay! Good luck!

Huh?...umm actually the mods removes threads/posts not the members here, and when a thread is going way off the topic, the mods/owner has the right to remove a couple of posts to just stay on the topic, it called respect the ones who created their thread

Have a nice Thanksgiving!

^Angel^, i do completely understand you are on cheri's side which is your sister. I have no compliants. because I do nothing with you, i did not put your name on this! move on and enjoy with alldeaf's forums..


Thank you for your time to read this and just enjoy stay!

 

[Cheri]

Cheri, Sorry that you don't know what i talk about it? I am actually sure that you did read what i put the post of my messages in your other thread " Name One Thing....", I did not put any curse or offened by the word decribing it. I put it to gave my opinion and adivce for everyone. However, I was so puzzle and never understand why you or mods whoever remove my post from your another thread. because i did not put any curse or insult with my words of spoke in your thread.. that is remarkable strange and no reason.. I do respect that you or whoever are not appericate what i give my good advices. that is okay.. I do actually accpet it. I aint whine about that.. anyway let it go and forget about me .... I just leave it with this.. so just move on, and enjoy stay! Good luck!

Just because your post got removed has nothing to do with me. First of all I posted stating that some posts were off topic, If the Mods felt that it is needed to be remove it would be, My posts been remove a lot since I became a member of AllDeaf but I am not going to take it all personal here. If I am wrong then I am wrong for going off topic. Your post was not only removed; mine was also and so was a few others who are going off topic. You are not whinny about it. U are just curious where and why your post was remove. I am giving you my honest answer here.

Tamara I came here to find my two posts on this Cheri's thread has been removed.
I didn't swearing or off-topic!
Perhaps I am wasting my time writing this in case it will be removed again???????????

You posted just one thing which is " " that is postwhoring and it's in the rules of AllDeaf.

4.) Participants may not scroll unnecessarily. Scrolling can refer to the following:
b.) Excessive smilies,

 

[Liebling:-)))]

***I read these thread for a first time today and was puzzled when I read Tamara's post over removed her post twice this morning***.

Oh I understand now why Tamara's post was removed because of that just emoticion faces, not writing.