How do you rate Bush?

[Oceanbreeze]

dang I guess we republicans are in the minority.

I'm a Republican. However, my viewpoints tend to run more towards the liberal-moderate side as opposed to hard-core conservative. The only exception to this is when it comes to rearing children.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I've always had a bit of trouble with political parties because if I could, I'd find a third party that was somewhat socially liberal (a better word than progressive because it makes less of a value judgment about those with the opposite opinion), but also economically conservative.
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Again, I agree with you!

I feel increasingly uncomfortable with identifying myself with any of the two main political parties. My viewpoints just don't jibe with what they stand for.

Reba suggested the Independant party in another thread, and I need to give that some thought. *shrug*

 

[RedheadGrrl]

Hes SUCKS!!!! He needs to step down!! sigh

 

[LinuxGold]

Hes SUCKS!!!! He needs to step down!! sigh

So you mean he should step down and suck? *roflmao*

 

[Teresh]

I've always had a bit of trouble with political parties because if I could, I'd find a third party that was somewhat socially liberal (a better word than progressive because it makes less of a value judgment about those with the opposite opinion), but also economically conservative.

US Libertarian Party. Awesome group of people.

Teresh, how are you defining "community issues"? What exactly falls under that category, because I can think of some GOP initiatives that would, even if you don't agree with them.

Issues that are relevant and important to a particular community. A good example of this is affirmative action. Women and racial minorities are more likely to perceive it as worthwhile and important than white men are. Gay people are generally more interested in seeing civil unions or gay marriage legally respected by the government, straight people might care, but the incidence of straight people who are very much for that cause is quite low proportionally compared to the number of gay people for it. For the deaf community, access to education in ASL is an example of something most people who are deaf or hard of hearing want available, regardless of whether or not it's their preferred way of communicating.

The Dems take advantage of these groups of people by catering their political philosophy to the sigma of the views on specific "community issues" represented by such groups of people. They get support from those groups in the form of campaign contributions and votes.

There is nothing about most of these groups that makes them inherently Democrats or Republicans--Democrat and Republican are just political parties, labels people brand themselves with. People will often vote for the political party they think best represents their views, and for minorities and Generations x and Y women, that party is the Dems.

Reba suggested the Independant party in another thread, and I need to give that some thought. *shrug*

Libertarian Party, hint hint.

 

[EDGE]

I'm guessing, though, that the reason is the same as the reason only 2% of Blacks support the President and why the Black vote is overwhelmingly Democratic most of the time--That is, the Dems are typically in support of the issues related to the community and the GOP isn't. As a result, the community is willing to accept (and in many cases, adopt into their own community) the opinion of the party on other issues.

That make me wonder as I think of history thing... First Republican president: Lincoln freed African-American. Now, they're rant over Republican? lol....

 

[Teresh]

That make me wonder as I think of history thing... First Republican president: Lincoln freed African-American. Now, they're rant over Republican? lol....

You're forgetting a crucial piece of the puzzle. When Lyndon B. Johnson, a Democrat, signed the Civil Rights Act, all of the conservative Democrats (the ones who supported segregation and white supremacy) switched parties to the GOP. When Lincoln was President, the Republicans were the liberal party. The Civil Rights Act changed that, making the Republicans the major conservative party and the Democrats the major liberal party.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

US Libertarian Party. Awesome group of people.



Issues that are relevant and important to a particular community. A good example of this is affirmative action. Women and racial minorities are more likely to perceive it as worthwhile and important than white men are. Gay people are generally more interested in seeing civil unions or gay marriage legally respected by the government, straight people might care, but the incidence of straight people who are very much for that cause is quite low proportionally compared to the number of gay people for it. For the deaf community, access to education in ASL is an example of something most people who are deaf or hard of hearing want available, regardless of whether or not it's their preferred way of communicating.

The Dems take advantage of these groups of people by catering their political philosophy to the sigma of the views on specific "community issues" represented by such groups of people. They get support from those groups in the form of campaign contributions and votes.

There is nothing about most of these groups that makes them inherently Democrats or Republicans--Democrat and Republican are just political parties, labels people brand themselves with. People will often vote for the political party they think best represents their views, and for minorities and Generations x and Y women, that party is the Dems.



Libertarian Party, hint hint.

There you go! I'll have to mull this one over, too.

Thanks, Teresh!

 

[Rose Immortal]

US Libertarian Party. Awesome group of people.

I've looked at them, and they do seem to have some interesting ideas. I just wish that a third party could present a more serious challenge to the 2 main parties in more offices.

Issues that are relevant and important to a particular community. A good example of this is affirmative action. Women and racial minorities are more likely to perceive it as worthwhile and important than white men are. Gay people are generally more interested in seeing civil unions or gay marriage legally respected by the government, straight people might care, but the incidence of straight people who are very much for that cause is quite low proportionally compared to the number of gay people for it. For the deaf community, access to education in ASL is an example of something most people who are deaf or hard of hearing want available, regardless of whether or not it's their preferred way of communicating.

Glad I asked you to define that, because I had another perception of what you meant...I was thinking of "community" in terms of "local" issues. Whoops.

The Dems take advantage of these groups of people by catering their political philosophy to the sigma of the views on specific "community issues" represented by such groups of people. They get support from those groups in the form of campaign contributions and votes.

There is nothing about most of these groups that makes them inherently Democrats or Republicans--Democrat and Republican are just political parties, labels people brand themselves with. People will often vote for the political party they think best represents their views, and for minorities and Generations x and Y women, that party is the Dems.

One major trouble with playing to demographics first, issues second, is that it can cause a kind of angry, us-and-them kind of debate that I don't think goes very far towards actually getting any meaningful progress on the issue. Without that, it becomes a very adversarial thing because people can end up voting the demographic, not the issue (or whole SET of issues the party is promoting).

Also, you end up with people who belong to the "target demographic" thinking, "Hey, that party doesn't represent ME!" That can be a real turnoff...

 

[Teresh]

I've looked at them, and they do seem to have some interesting ideas. I just wish that a third party could present a more serious challenge to the 2 main parties in more offices.

It would take an act of God to change the two party system. There's only one thing that we could do to fix it which would never pass simply because both the Dems and the GOP would never willingly let go of their power in specific areas. The only solution is to abolish the electoral college... Having a "winner take all" system for distributing electoral votes by states prevents a third party from ever electing a President. Once in a while an independent or a member of a third party will win a seat in the House, or more commonly in state legislature, but it doesn't happen a lot. The reason is not that the parties themselves or what they stand for matter to any specific number of people, the reason is that our system for electing the President is very rudimentary at best.

The founding fathers expected the American President to be more like a Prime Minister in the Parliamentary system, in the sense that the legislature would frequently be tasked with choosing a President and the President would thus be subject to the whims of the legislature. That didn't happen the way they planned at all, and they certainly didn't expect a winner-take-all anti-democratic system for electing the President to come into being.

The reason third parties rarely make any headway is our election system is the oldest in the world and hasn't changed with the times because leaders of whatever the two major parties happen to be don't want to risk losing elections because their gerrymandering doesn't work so well anymore or anything like that.

 

[Throwstones]

I voted that Bush sucks! sucks! sucks! sucks! that's all I gotta say on that.

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%! I WANT CONGRESS TO IMPREACH HIM OUT OF WHITE HOUSE BY NOW NOW NOW NOW.. DO NOT WAIT TOO LONG TILL LAST MINUTES IT WILL GET WORSE! BETTER NOW! IMPREACH HIM NOW! WHO WANT TO STAND UP AND VOTE TO CONGRESS? IT IS YOU YOU YOU YOU TO KEEP PESTING ON CONGRESS TO GIVE UP AND IMPREACH HIM PERIOD!

NOTE: I AM TULSA COUNTY DEMOCRATIC PARTY VICE CHAIR FOR PREICIENT 87. THIS IS FIRST TIME FOR DEAF PERSON TO BE VICE CHAIR FOR TULSA COUNTY DEMORACTIC PARTY.

THROWSTONES.

 

[pek1]

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%! I WANT CONGRESS TO IMPREACH HIM OUT OF WHITE HOUSE BY NOW NOW NOW NOW.. DO NOT WAIT TOO LONG TILL LAST MINUTES IT WILL GET WORSE! BETTER NOW! IMPREACH HIM NOW! WHO WANT TO STAND UP AND VOTE TO CONGRESS? IT IS YOU YOU YOU YOU TO KEEP PESTING ON CONGRESS TO GIVE UP AND IMPEACH HIM PERIOD!

Easy on the CAPS, Throwstones. On the Internet, this is considered yelling and none of us need to be yelled at. Although I concur!

 

[Reba]

... I WANT CONGRESS TO IMPREACH HIM OUT OF WHITE HOUSE BY NOW NOW NOW NOW.. .

You prefer Dick Cheney as President?

 

[Throwstones]

Do you trust Mr. President BUSH as Bone & Skeleton member from Yale University as his father and grandpa?

 

[Reba]

Do you trust Mr. President BUSH as Bone & Skeleton member from Yale University as his father and grandpa?

I asked you first.

 

[Throwstones]

I asked you first.

I already researched The Bush's history in 1990's and discovered the facts on the Bush's membership of Bones and Skeleton at Yale University. They taught them how to be serect leadership in government thru New World Order. Also, few weeks ago i found it on internet as I already knew it.

My friend who was former police and pastor to the deaf worked as police officers at second shift. He went over the bank and notice the special boxes in safe room and asked teller what it is for? The Teller said that it is called "The Rainbow card" that means for New World Order which President George H.W. Bush signed it. It is for only emergency if every banks runs out of business then have back up the rainbow cards for everyone. Teller says no one know about it. So that how my friend preached in the deaf church in 1990's.

 

[Reba]

You do realize that if Bush is impeached, Cheney becomes President? That's why I asked if you prefer Cheney.

 

[Reba]

...My friend who was former police and pastor to the deaf worked as police officers at second shift. He went over the bank and notice the special boxes in safe room and asked teller what it is for? The Teller said that it is called "The Rainbow card" that means for New World Order which President George H.W. Bush signed it. It is for only emergency if every banks runs out of business then have back up the rainbow cards for everyone. Teller says no one know about it. So that how my friend preached in the deaf church in 1990's.

Hmmm...no one except bank tellers, and everyone who was present each time your friend preached, and all the people reading this thread, and....

It seems that the "secret" isn't very secret!

 

[EagleCherokee63]

I vote It's OK! but I liked President Reagan! Is Bush dont like deaf people? But one thing His dad supported deaf people in TSD (Texas School for the Deaf). WEIRD!!!!

 

[Throwstones]

Hmmm...no one except bank tellers, and everyone who was present each time your friend preached, and all the people reading this thread, and....

It seems that the "secret" isn't very secret!

Do you believe my words about researching his background etc?? Why not you research on the Bushes???????