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freckles said:
so here this goes --

deaf = can hear with HAs, can't without.

deaf = can't hear at all, even with HAs.
unless deaf in only one ear = HOH.

hearing = can hear without HAs, speak well.

unless bad hearing loss in one ear = HOH.
right? why so clueless about my quote ... :dunno: but thanks anyway. :)
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Well, I am stone deaf in one ear, and 40% loss in the other. What category am I?
 
rockdrummer said:
How about deafness is on a sliding scale from HOH to profound. All are considered deaf. I have seen some "Deafer than thou" types that feel people that are HOH or that are aided be it with HA's or CI's should not be considered deaf. Personally I don't agree with that.
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I agree with this. My daughter has a severe hearing loss BUT she hears 96% in her testing. She is deaf, Deaf and hears.
 
posts from hell said:
There are terms to define the hearing losses.

And there is a reason why there is a movement to "redefine deaf" ... because people constantly refer to the dictionary meaning of "deaf" which is full of medical views.
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I didn't interpret the webster definition as "medical" or "pathalogical" It is meerly a statement of fact. The problem with re-defining is that this is obviously subjective. The "deafer than thou" crowd will most likley have a different definition than the CI users or the HOH HA users. Good luck with a concensus. BTW - Who or what body is heading the movement to redfine deaf and where can one find information on this?

Thanks
 
For me, people have the right to call themselves anything they want.

Just as the people also have the right to disagree with you for whatever description you pick for yourself.

But I think we should be able to apply reasoning/logic to why we chose deaf/Deaf/HOH/etc. And as for disagreeing/judging, we should be fully informed first and be nice about it. :)
 
DGirl101 said:
I don't know about the vocal box but I do know that when I was without ANY sound, my speech was affected by my Deafness.

Family and friends all told me that my speech changed, words were slurred or sounded like I mumbled a lot and I never spoke loud enough for people to hear me.

They really noticed that, because once the CI was activated, they said

everything changed.
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There ya go, folks; thank you for your comment, DGirl.
 
Tousi said:
There ya go, folks; thank you for your comment, DGirl.
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but her vocal box remains intact and working regardless of her hearing status.

I'm speaking on purely medical sense. In my post - it's about "defective ear"... which does not affect vocal box's functionality unless you have a disease that destroyed both ears and vocal box (aka mute)... and maybe your eyes.
 
Jiro said:
but her vocal box remains intact and working regardless of her hearing status.

I'm speaking on purely medical sense. In my post - it's about "defective ear"... which does not affect vocal box's functionality unless you have a disease that destroyed both ears and vocal box (aka mute)... and maybe your eyes.
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Everybody has a voice box and I imagine being born without a functioning box, as you call it, is much much rarer than deafness.....:P
 
rockdrummer said:
How about deafness is on a sliding scale from HOH to profound. All are considered deaf. I have seen some "Deafer than thou" types that feel people that are HOH or that are aided be it with HA's or CI's should not be considered deaf. Personally I don't agree with that.
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sure, I would agree with that. some people will say, "I'm deaf in one ear," "please speak on that side." but please don't say I'm total deaf....

like fairejour just did, perfect example
faire_jour said:
I agree with this. My daughter has a severe hearing loss BUT she hears 96% in her testing. She is deaf, Deaf and hears.
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why do people label themselves, especially their children to get some pity? or feel sorry for them/selves? "deaf but hears 96%" .. *stratches my head* .. hears almost 100% "BUT" deaf? BIG conflict here. if say, "deaf in one ear," or "96% in one ear," or "hears 96% with CI," etc. fine. if nothing of these, then I would never thought she's deaf. I can bet faire's (culturally) hearing, am I right? usually they don't know what they're talking about. unless they can define and educate us better. so fairejour, please explain how can she hear veryvery well if she's deaf?

about HAs and CI -- read my original quote,
freckles said:
well, I never consider HOH people, especially with HAs deaf. with HAs, you can hear. deaf means you can't hear. even with HAs.
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how can they be deaf if they have HAs ON? and notice the pural? with HAs on for HOH (meaning hearing loss in both, may not be too severe either), often equate to being deaf in one ear and HAS one HA on. if HAs helps as much you know?

with one HA? more likely hearing pretty well or at least can speak good. the more assistance you have, more sign language you use, more deaf you are. that was my point. difference from HAs and HA.

so, usually people with two HAs, are more likely deaf, or consider themselves deaf. understandable. again, some HOH use HAs to hear more well and defend deafness. people with/tried HAs but still can't hear at all (that's me, that's called profoundly deaf), if you can't hear with BOTH ears, even with HAs, you're definitely deaf.

CI, any that helps people, can hear pretty good. any that didn't helped people are absolutely deaf. I know one girl (deaf since infant like me) who had CI inside for 12+ years, out now and she still doesn't speak any[/b] word or have improved her english at all. I believe you NEED to hear pretty enough well to learn speech and speak. you must. if this person can speak well, s/he's not deaf. more near to HOH line, below or above. until of course, more/severe loss in later life like kristinab.

saywhatkid said:
Well, I am stone deaf in one ear, and 40% loss in the other. What category am I?
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first two, mostly deaf. HOH or other if you have a preference.
 
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Going to throw a curveball... Speech is not necessarily connected to hearing loss.

Yes, it is easier to learn how to speak if one has hearing or some hearing left in the speech banana, however those people get the "feedback loop" problem where they sound like what they hear. This is how people adopt accents, they copy what they hear. So, essentially the famous "deaf accent" is a result of what hard-of-hearing and oral deaf hear. The only ones I have met that don't have a "deaf accent" are the ones with single-side deafness, a really minor hearing loss (as in only a few dB and it doesn't affect the speech banana) or are well-trained stone deaf. Yes, you read right-- stone deaf.
 
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freckles, you are dead wrong. Deaf is NOT a word that needs pity, that is your first mistake. And second, my daughter is culturally Deaf. She hears and speaks but is also Deaf and part of a wonderful community. Why would you want to deny her that based on a hunk of plastic and metal?
 
faire_jour said:
freckles, you are dead wrong. Deaf is NOT a word that needs pity, that is your first mistake. And second, my daughter is culturally Deaf. She hears and speaks but is also Deaf and part of a wonderful community. Why would you want to deny her that based on a hunk of plastic and metal?
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wait, I'm talking about YOU, labelling your child. and as for your child, I understand that she's "deaf", I only want to understand better. I also wonder if that's what she calls herself too?

if I was talking about her (your child), her culture or culturally, I'll say Deaf. but she's too young and it has no affect on hearing/loss.
 
faire_jour said:
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freckles, you are dead wrong. Deaf is NOT a word that needs pity, that is your first mistake. And second, my daughter is culturally Deaf. She hears and speaks but is also Deaf and part of a wonderful community. Why would you want to deny her that based on a hunk of plastic and metal?
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She's culturally deaf at age, what, 5? :hmm:
 
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freckles said:
faire_jour said:
freckles, you are dead wrong. Deaf is NOT a word that needs pity, that is your first mistake. And second, my daughter is culturally Deaf. She hears and speaks but is also Deaf and part of a wonderful community. Why would you want to deny her that based on a hunk of plastic and metal?
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wait, I'm talking about YOU, labelling your child. and as for your child, I understand that she's "deaf", I only want to understand better. I also wonder if that's what she calls herself too?

if I was talking about her (your child), her culture or culturally, I'll say Deaf. but she's too young and it has no affect on hearing/loss.
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she says she is deaf AND she can hear. signs "deaf" and "can" "hear" (at ear not mouth)
 
freckles.... while I value your opinion you are contradicting what others from the deaf community have been preaching to parents of deaf children that have CI's and HA's and "claimed" there child can hear. Many in the deaf community came down hard on them to say that your child is deaf regardless of them being able to hear with a CI or HA's. I tend to agree with that statement. At the end of the day without the HA's or CI's you are deaf. If you have some residual hearing you are still deaf. Just not profoundly.
 
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Tousi said:
faire_jour said:
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freckles, you are dead wrong. Deaf is NOT a word that needs pity, that is your first mistake. And second, my daughter is culturally Deaf. She hears and speaks but is also Deaf and part of a wonderful community. Why would you want to deny her that based on a hunk of plastic and metal?
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She's culturally deaf at age, what, 5? :hmm:
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she is 7 but that doesn't matter. We have chosen to raise her with asl and the Deaf community in her life. If she chooses not to persue it as an adult, that's her decision, but for now, she's Deaf.
 
faire_jour said:
she says she is deaf AND she can hear. signs "deaf" and "can" "hear" (at ear not mouth)
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I guess we'll wait till she's older enough to understand. Not sure if I'll be around :lol:
 
being a deaf person and being a culturally deaf are not the same. That's all i can say for now.
 
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