Help Save The Life Of An Afghan Man Who Refuses To Deny Christ

[Teresh]

This man's life is at risk, and I prefer to pray for his deliverance rather than bicker off topic.

I don't know what else our country can do other than maybe offer the poor man asylum here in the States.

I can't say I disagree with you in principle, but like you said there's not a whole lot we can do that won't cause multiple casualities. It also would kill any hope we have of building a diplomatic bridge to the Middle East.

Unless one can get the people in Afghanistan who are trying to execute him to see reason, really all we can do is let him die, as sad as that may be and as angry as it may make us.

 

[VamPyroX]

Bush should stay out of it. The government and the church are separate.

 

[LinuxGold]

You need to retake government course. U.S.A is not a Christian nation...

USA was practicing the divinity laws, the laws established by Christian back in forefather days. Divinity laws was abandoned in 1950's or 1960's.

I wonder why you passed the high school government exam? Show me Constitution of the United States of America....

Careful, this is a personal attack, not necessary to do that.

I do not see anything in freedom of religous....

U.S. Constitution - Amendment 1
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[LinuxGold]

Bush should stay out of it. The government and the church are separate.

You are right in that President should stay out of it since government and the Church are separate. But as a civilian of the United States, he can influence or express his opinion.

 

[LinuxGold]

My personal opinion with knowledge of the Bible, we should come up to him and defend his right of religion, influence our opinion towards the judge and support him (emotional, mental and all that). But a nation should not participate with, or to flex its power towards other nation's affairs.

 

[MorriganTait]

USA was practicing the divinity laws, the laws established by Christian back in forefather days. Divinity laws was abandoned in 1950's or 1960's.

I cannot find any reference to any practice called "divinity laws". If you are trying to suggest that we once had many more religiously motivated laws than we do now (in the US), you are correct, but many still exist. Can you explain what you mean a bit more fully? Thanks.

 

[Mookie]

I cannot find any reference to any practice called "divinity laws". If you are trying to suggest that we once had many more religiously motivated laws than we do now (in the US), you are correct, but many still exist. Can you explain what you mean a bit more fully? Thanks.

Hee hee. I wonder about that.

Hey LinuxGold,

You still have a bad beef with me for long time??????

 

[LinuxGold]

I cannot find any reference to any practice called "divinity laws". If you are trying to suggest that we once had many more religiously motivated laws than we do now (in the US), you are correct, but many still exist. Can you explain what you mean a bit more fully? Thanks.

For example, capital punishment, no work on Sundays (INCLUDING Military, it is even documented that one can not walk across military grass on Sundays!), polygamy (limit 1 wife) and so on..

I'm not sure as to how "divinity law" was entitled. I took this in political science class when I was in high school.

 

[LinuxGold]

Hee hee. I wonder about that.

Hey LinuxGold,

You still have a bad beef with me for long time??????

What do you mean by that. I didn't even have any grudges against you. What makes you think of that this way?

 

[MorriganTait]

For example, capital punishment, no work on Sundays (INCLUDING Military, it is even documented that one can not walk across military grass on Sundays!), polygamy (limit 1 wife) and so on..

I'm not sure as to how "divinity law" was entitled. I took this in political science class when I was in high school.

I don't think most people regard our current capital punishment laws, nor laws against polygamy, as being strictly religiously based (though it can be said these laws do have some religious connotation). As to Sunday/Sabbath laws, these are typically referred to as "blue laws".

BLUE LAWS
State and local regulations banning various activities on Sundays are called "blue laws." The origin of the term is uncertain. It has been said variously to have originated in the color of the paper on which a code of laws for the early New Haven, Connecticut, colony was printed or to have derived from the concept of being "true blue" to the law. Whatever the origin, these measures, which are based on the biblical injunction against working on the Sabbath, have been traced back to fourth-century Rome, when Constantine I, the first Christian emperor, commanded all citizens, except farmers, to rest on Sunday. The first blue law in America was enacted in the Virginia colony in the early 1600s and required church attendance.

About three-fourths of the states still carry on their books laws imposing some kind of Sunday restriction on such activities as retail sales, general labor, liquor sales, boxing, hunting, or barbering, as well as polo, cockfighting, or clam digging. These laws have been challenged in federal courts as a violation of the Sherman Anti-trust Act and the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of religion. The Supreme Court has upheld them, starting with McGowan v. Maryland (1961), ruling that though the laws originated for religious reasons, the state has a right to set aside a day of rest for the well-being of its citizens.

Nevertheless, Sunday blue laws have declined since the 1960s. A number of states have repealed them, and many municipalities have long ignored those still on their books, simply choosing not to enforce them.

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_011100_bluelaws.htm

 

[LinuxGold]

I don't think most people regard our current capital punishment laws, nor laws against polygamy, as being strictly religiously based (though it can be said these laws do have some religious connotation). As to Sunday/Sabbath laws, these are typically referred to as "blue laws".
...

Let's turn this new discussion into a new thread and end right here.

My whole point is, I do not think that United States government should get involved with other nation's affair, but we, as Christians or affiliates, should go over there to support his side.

 

[web730]

My whole point is, I do not think that United States government should get involved with other nation's affair, but we, as Christians or affiliates, should go over there to support his side.

I do agree. We can only try support but not to interfere with other nations' affairs or beliefs or laws.

Hope that he can evade on his behalf. But if he faces death, then Jesus take him to the everlasting heaven. Death is only a door to an afterlife, really. Amen.

 

[LinuxGold]

I do agree. We can only try support but not to interfere with other nations' affairs or beliefs or laws.

Hope that he can evade on his behalf. But if he faces death, then Jesus take him to the everlasting heaven. Death is only a door to an afterlife, really. Amen.

Similiar to those who died for their belief in FOX'S BOOK OF MARTYRS.

 

[web730]

Similiar to those who died for their belief in FOX'S BOOK OF MARTYRS.

Oh, that's right. I recall that book and wanted to read it someday. Too bad it would be too much for me now that I do read lot, lot for my business underway. But thanks for "reminding me" so I will just write a reminder note.

 

[Beowulf]

Let's turn this new discussion into a new thread and end right here.

My whole point is, I do not think that United States government should get involved with other nation's affair, but we, as Christians or affiliates, should go over there to support his side.

Go right ahead.
What's stopping you?
:shrugs:

 

[pek1]

Does it mention about Christian Nation?

NOPE.

 

[pek1]

If Native Americans can operate casinos, why not Christians as well?

Now THAT'S a THOUGHT!!! :fruit:

 

[web730]

If Native Americans can operate casinos, why not Christians as well?

Now THAT'S a THOUGHT!!! :fruit:

Both of you may not realize that true christians know that it's prohbited by God. In Bible it states:

And Samson said unto them, I will now put forth a riddle unto you: if ye can certainly declare it me within the seven days of the feast, and find [it] out, then I will give you thirty sheets and thirty change of garments: But if ye cannot declare [it] me, then shall ye give me thirty sheets and thirty change of garments. And they said unto him, Put forth thy riddle, that we may hear it. - Judges 14:12-13

Wealth [gotten] by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathereth by labour shall increase. - Proverbs 13:11

Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom. - Proverbs 23:4

A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent. - Proverbs 28:20

He that hasteth to be rich [hath] an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him. - Proverbs 28:22

But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. - 1 Timothy 6:9-10

 

[Teresh]

And Samson said unto them, I will now put forth a riddle unto you: if ye can certainly declare it me within the seven days of the feast, and find [it] out, then I will give you thirty sheets and thirty change of garments: But if ye cannot declare [it] me, then shall ye give me thirty sheets and thirty change of garments. And they said unto him, Put forth thy riddle, that we may hear it. - Judges 14:12-13

Wealth [gotten] by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathereth by labour shall increase. - Proverbs 13:11

Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom. - Proverbs 23:4

A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent. - Proverbs 28:20

He that hasteth to be rich [hath] an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him. - Proverbs 28:22

But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. - 1 Timothy 6:9-10

The Judges verses imply that gambling actually should be legal... I don't see how that implies God condemns gambling there. Care to explain?

The Proverbs verses can go. There aren't many people that think that book was divinely inspired. Solomon was said to be very wise, but the Book of Proverbs was advice he gave about living, from his mouth, not God's. Surely you know this.

The Timothy verses mean something entirely different. I would read it as a condemnation of the rich who use their wealth to engage in social misconduct, hire prostitutes, etc. You could even go as far as saying that it's about one using their wealth to exploit the poor. But a specific condemnation of gambling or owning a casino? I can't see that in the passage. Please explain your interpretation.

 

[pek1]

Both of you may not realize that true christians know that it's prohbited by God. In Bible it states:

And Samson said unto them, I will now put forth a riddle unto you: if ye can certainly declare it me within the seven days of the feast, and find [it] out, then I will give you thirty sheets and thirty change of garments: But if ye cannot declare [it] me, then shall ye give me thirty sheets and thirty change of garments. And they said unto him, Put forth thy riddle, that we may hear it. - Judges 14:12-13

Wealth [gotten] by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathereth by labour shall increase. - Proverbs 13:11

Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom. - Proverbs 23:4

A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent. - Proverbs 28:20

He that hasteth to be rich [hath] an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him. - Proverbs 28:22

But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. - 1 Timothy 6:9-10

Having Christians (churches or pastors) owning casinos would quit sending around the offering plate during church and more time in preaching the Word.