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Foxrac said:
PP doesn't allow abortion that based on gender reason but it was worker in their division let woman to have abortion because of gender reason, not PP itself but just worker. This worker who let need be fired.
Live Action Planned Parenthood 'Sting' Videos Are Heavily Edited

Nice try for conservatives who made undercover investigation on PP and try to get government to ban on abortion, it won't work.
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But our government failed to vote to stop gendercide! How is that for messed up!!!??
 
Foxrac said:
First, don't be ignorant.

Sorry, that's not fair game.

I'm talking about USA, not China.

There are no tests that can reveal about deafness and bipolar.

The deafness can be started after several months old or few years, even 1 years old can be deaf after pure hearing from born. There are no reliable test for deafness.

Like I said, the bipolar NEVER to be reveal in fetus, the bipolar usually start during adolescence and young adults, however early childhood is rare, just all are post-born.

The Down Syndrome can be revealed in ultrasound and the women make their decision to abort if they want.
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Wow
 
rolling7 said:
If they can test for any condition at all, then yes they can test for deafness and bipolar. If you are saying that is not true, then you have to say they can't 100% be sure an unborn child had Down. Play fair here Foxrac.
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When my wife was pregnant with our first child (He is now 21) the doctor saw something on the ultrasound that he described as a nucal? skin fold. He said that it could result in the baby being a downs syndrome baby. She had to have an amniocentesis and they wouldn't even let us make a copy of the ultrasound video at that time. I'm sure that it had to do with liabilities and us suing them if something went wrong. To make this short my son was born 5 weeks premature by emergency c-section and spent 10 days in the hospital. Later in life around 5 but definitely by preteen we knew that something was not quite right. He was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. It runs in my wife's family. We decided very early on that even if our child was born with birth defects or other problems that there was no way that he would be aborted. He was our child that God had given us and he would be perfect no matter what in our eyes. He now works part-time for Wal-Mart, has is drivers & motorcycle license but he did struggle in school and had to be home schooled. We liked the idea so much that my wife home schooled his younger brother who will be a senior in high school this year. Children are a gift from God. Love them and care for them like they are and you will enjoy them!
 
airportcop said:
But our government failed to vote to stop gendercide! How is that for messed up!!!??
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I doubt it would do anything to stop so women could have other reason to have their fetus aborted instead of say gender.
 
airportcop said:
When my wife was pregnant with our first child (He is now 21) the doctor saw something on the ultrasound that he described as a nucal? skin fold. He said that it could result in the baby being a downs syndrome baby. She had to have an amniocentesis and they wouldn't even let us make a copy of the ultrasound video at that time. I'm sure that it had to do with liabilities and us suing them if something went wrong. To make this short my son was born 5 weeks premature by emergency c-section and spent 10 days in the hospital. Later in life around 5 but definitely by preteen we knew that something was not quite right. He was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. It runs in my wife's family. We decided very early on that even if our child was born with birth defects or other problems that there was no way that he would be aborted. He was our child that God had given us and he would be perfect no matter what in our eyes. He now works part-time for Wal-Mart, has is drivers & motorcycle license but he did struggle in school and had to be home schooled. We liked the idea so much that my wife home schooled his younger brother who will be a senior in high school this year. Children are a gift from God. Love them and care for them like they are and you will enjoy them!
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Not surprised, my parent got copy of ultrasound in 1991 when my sister was in my mother womb so I don't know why you got double standard. My mother had ultrasound to see me when I was fetus and looks all normal, even not deaf. My parent didn't know that I was deaf until several months later and it was HoH at earlier.

For me, the bipolar is underdiagnosed and psychiatrist refused to label because I have history of misdiagnose so they don't want be held liable. I don't think that I have bipolar because I can't be upset for no reason or being funny for no reason. The bipolar can be treated with medicines and behavioral therapy so it looks not issue to your family but I had seen some people with bipolar disorders are much worse and some of them have stay at state owned psychiatric hospitals, however private and university hospital have behavioral medicine unit that designed for short term inpatient.

I have IBS since when I was late 21 years old so it is extremely frustrated in my life because I couldn't deal with pain, spasm and diarrhea/constipation. The IBS isn't reveal in test for fetus, also there are no test to diagnose the IBS so the doctor will diagnose based on symptoms that lasted for more than months. The IBS has caused me to absent from classes or work due to bad pain and spasm.
 
Foxrac said:
We don't make you to have abortion.

It is your decision with your baby.
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So it's ok for someone to kill their baby even after it's born? After all, it's their baby. It's their parental decision. :hmm:
 
LoveBlue said:
So it's ok for someone to kill their baby even after it's born? After all, it's their baby. It's their parental decision. :hmm:
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In my previous post, I was misunderstood about newborn and fetus so I said it is fetus that is legally to abort it.

For after born, it is illegal and it will be homicide for killing baby after born.
 
Foxrac said:
First, don't be ignorant.

Sorry, that's not fair game.

I'm talking about USA, not China.

There are no tests that can reveal about deafness and bipolar.

The deafness can be started after several months old or few years, even 1 years old can be deaf after pure hearing from born. There are no reliable test for deafness.

Like I said, the bipolar NEVER to be reveal in fetus, the bipolar usually start during adolescence and young adults, however early childhood is rare, just all are post-born.

The Down Syndrome can be revealed in ultrasound and the women make their decision to abort if they want.
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Ok, I'll be fair with you Foxrac.

You seem to be misunderstanding that deafness and bipolar are not something you "catch" after birth, such as German measles. While it might be true that they are not notable at birth, the child is still born with them. Which means they had these conditions while growing up in the womb.

That is all I'm making a point of. If you, Foxrac, have no problem with a woman aborting an unborn child for one condition, why would you have a problem with a woman aborting an unborn child for ANY CONDITION growing in the womb.
 
This thread has gone a little of-topic since it is about sex selection. However, if we (society) were to allow sex selection, what is to prevent ANY and ALL selections?
 
LoveBlue said:
So it's ok for someone to kill their baby even after it's born? After all, it's their baby. It's their parental decision. :hmm:
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Yeah, well, then it'd be called "murder." Funny how a difference of a few days or weeks can make prior to birth for not to call it "murder."
 
kokonut said:
Great idea. Baby is born, sees that the baby is deaf, mother kills the baby because she doesn't want a deaf baby. Any difference if deafness is found a few days or week before birth and decides to terminate the pregnancy?
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Peter Singer said "It's all good - you can kill a baby if it has any biological defects whatsoever"


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kokonut said:
Great idea. Baby is born, sees that the baby is deaf, mother kills the baby because she doesn't want a deaf baby. Any difference if deafness is found a few days or week before birth and decides to terminate the pregnancy?
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Abortion can't be done that late.
 
What is it that magically turns the fetus into a baby? the trip down the birth canal? If one woman delivers a baby prematurely at 25 weeks, that baby is human, but her sister is pregnant at 26 weeks, and that baby isn't, because of where it lives?

Abortion kills a human being. You guys who think it doesn't are years behind the times. Doctors and pro-abortion activists are increasingly willing to admit that life begins at conception, that of course abortion kills a human being, but so what- the adult matters more.

You pro-choicers also seem to be astonishingly uninformed about what the laws on abortion actually are.
 
ba·by/ˈbābē/

Noun:
A very young child, esp. one newly or recently born.

Adjective:
Comparatively small or immature of its kind: "a baby grand piano".

Verb:
Treat (someone) as a baby; pamper or be overprotective toward: "her aunt babied her".

Synonyms:

noun. infant - babe - child - kid

adjective. infantile - babyish - infant - children's

verb. coddle - pamper


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CrazyPaul said:
ba·by/ˈbābē/

Noun:
A very young child, esp. one newly or recently born.

Adjective:
Comparatively small or immature of its kind: "a baby grand piano".

Verb:
Treat (someone) as a baby; pamper or be overprotective toward: "her aunt babied her".

Synonyms:

noun. infant - babe - child - kid

adjective. infantile - babyish - infant - children's

verb. coddle - pamper


More info »Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary
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Try and tell that to a pregnant woman in her third trimester that what she have isn't a baby.
 
the Supreme Court is not infallible. They've been terribly wrong before and will be again.

The Supreme Court once protected slavery the sub human status of blacks. See the Dred Scott decision.
The Supreme Court once protected eugenics and the forced sterilization of the 'unfit' in the infamous case of Carrie Buck - a poor girl who was raped by a relative of her foster parets, impregnated by the rape, and then institutionalized by her foster parents to hide their young relative's crime. They claimed Carrie was incorrigible and promiscuous. Carrie was accused of being retarded (she wasn't), promiscuous (she wasn't), and her child was said to be an imbecile (she wasn't- she got straight A's in school until she died of Measles).

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The ruling was written by liberal Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. In support of his argument that the interest of the states in a "pure" gene pool outweighed the interest of individuals in their bodily integrity, he argued:
“ We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. ” Holmes concluded his argument by declaring that "Three generations of imbeciles are enough"

Virginia would not repeal its laws allowing forcible sterilization of the 'retarded' until the early 70s (and, of course, many deaf were misdiagnosed as retarded)

Though the states eventually all repealed their forced sterilization laws, the abominable ruling protecting the practice of eugenics has never been overturned by the Supreme Court.
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