French burqa ban goes into force on monday

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It is any different than, say the Amish or Mennonite women who wear prayer caps, or the devout Pentecostals where the women do not wear pants, cut their hair, or in same cases are not permitted to shave at all?

I know my father had always quoted "When in Rome...." but times have changed somewhat and it seems that we as humans no longer have the freedom in some countries or cultures or religions to wear what we want. Yes, some "fashions" are ridiculous (baggy, saggy pants) and others are too provocative. There just seems to be no happy medium. Let's just go back to the days where the women and girls wore broadcloth dresses of the 1800's and the men were in broadcloth pants and muslin shirts all handmade by the wives or mothers.
 
KristinaB said:
It is any different than, say the Amish or Mennonite women who wear prayer caps, or the devout Pentecostals where the women do not wear pants, cut their hair, or in same cases are not permitted to shave at all?
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Wait, wait, wait...

...there's a religious sect where the women go around half naked? Why haven't I ever seen these before? :giggle:
 
Beowulf said:
What about those who were in the country for generations?
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Well, when their religious group was being persecuted, the British Pilgrims left England.

I'm not saying they should. I'm only pointing out that there is historical precedence.
 
jazzy said:
...If I go their country they will make me wear face over the veil ....
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Good point.

It's the old "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" rule.
 
SimonJ said:
[From the article you linked to]

Jourrnalists at the scene said the arrests came after police moved in to break up the protest which had not been authorised.

It was not due to the veils, it was due to an unregistered (unauthorised) protest.
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that's what I thought so in the first place... unruly type.
 
Reba said:
Well, when their religious group was being persecuted, the British Pilgrims left England.

I'm not saying they should. I'm only pointing out that there is historical precedence.
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I'm going to remember this the next time you talk about deaf discrimination...When in the hearing world...
 
TheOracle said:
I'm going to remember this the next time you talk about deaf discrimination...When in the hearing world...
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unfortunately - this is not something you can just cheapshot somebody with it. You failed to understand the very essence of it. Sounds like you'll most likely misapply it. :(

I hope you don't do that because we've had enough of statements misconstrued as something else.

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TheOracle said:
According to every article I've read on the subject, the French women in question chose to wear the burqa or naqib - they were not necessarily raised this way. Similarly, the hijab has become a symbol of Muslim femininity and pride in the U.S.

In parts of Afghanistan where warlords remain, the burqa stays. In parts where they do not, the burqa largely stays. Maybe it's culture. Maybe it's personal choice. We may not know for another generation. But the law in France has nothing to do with protecting women from "piggish men".

If you think that a face covering is piggish, then what about head coverings? Should we ban Muslim women, Jewish Orthodox women, and Catholic nuns from covering their hair? How about Pentacostal women who cover their ankles and wear dresses? At what point do we stop being the tyrannical majority?
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other category as they choose the lifestyle.
The burqa goes too far.
The tyranny is the brainwashing done over history, not the efforts to induce free will thinking.
I don't have a problem with scarves. They can be artistic-stylish.
Nuns are another category. They choose the life. And they don't cover entire face. There is a point. You went off track.
 
Cowpuppy said:
other category as they choose the lifestyle.
The burqa goes too far.

The tyranny is the brainwashing done over history, not the efforts to induce free will thinking.

I don't have a problem with scarves. They can be artistic-stylish.

Nuns are another category. They choose the life. And they don't cover entire face. There is a point. You went off track.
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That's just your opinion, you know?
 
TheOracle said:
I'm going to remember this the next time you talk about deaf discrimination...When in the hearing world...
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That's great. Bebonang had an idea for us to have our own land some time back. It may have been underground.

I am more than ready to go!
 
Bottesini said:
That's great. Bebonang had an idea for us to have our own land some time back. It may have been underground.

I am more than ready to go!
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:) Of course I don't believe in the tyranny of the majority! I just failed to see the "if they don't like how I discriminate, they can leave" logic! Pshaw!
 
Cowpuppy said:
The burqa goes too far.
The tyranny is the brainwashing done over history, not the efforts to induce free will thinking.
I don't have a problem with scarves. They can be artistic-stylish.
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So you have a problem with a burqa because it's not fashion forward?! :laugh2:

Is this better?

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Jiro said:
IMO - I don't see anything interesting. As usual - there will always be provocateur roaming around after any controversial laws that just passed. ie - Arizona's new immigration enforcement law.

beside... France's not the only one.


no problem in Belgium. there will be no problem in Holland, Spain, Switzerland, and France.
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I spotted this statement coming from you about a zillion miles away man :lol:

It was only a matter of time. That was why I "specifically" stated that Muslim women were not violating any laws by practicing their religion. They had done this "before" the ban .... for centuries.

Now ... ILLEGAL immigrants, on the other hand ... what was the crime there?

There is nothing even remotely linking those two situations.
 
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