French burqa ban goes into force on monday

[Jiro]

You were making an analogy between Korea and dogs and Muslims and the burqa.

right.... both are based on "belief" because it's what they do in their country and it's a norm. Deaf is not a belief - bad comparison.

Troll much?

excuse me?

 

[Foxrac]

You were making an analogy between Korea and dogs and Muslims and the burqa.

Troll much?

Not really, he's just asshole and it is perfect legally in AD, also his argument has point.

About who is troll? I don't know so you need ask moderator but I know Jiro isn't one of them.

 

[TheOracle]

We don't revolt when we are persecuted for our beliefs.

I don't speak for other religions who may call themselves Christian. "Christian" doesn't come with a trademark, so anyone can use that name.

Okay. Sorry. I don't know what you consider Christian or how it works. I thought Christians in Malta led a revolt. Again, my point was...

For example, Christians took part in the American Revolution for political freedom from British rule. They did not take up arms for religious freedom. They did use legal process when they participated in the development of the Constitution's Bill of Rights to secure religious freedom.

I know. I am just saying that in the Declaration, there is a clear outline for what was considered to be a cause for revolution. Some would say that denying religious freedom is one. Clearly there's a process and all, but

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

 

[TheOracle]

Not really, he's just asshole and it is perfect legally in AD, also his argument has point.

About who is troll? I don't know so you need ask moderator but I know Jiro isn't one of them.

I just think that if people put words in my mouth, say one thing, then deny they say it, ignore me when I quote it and then make it about something else...well...

 

[Buffalo]

Okay... I don't understand.

Why is it so important to keep faces hid when someone, who wears a dress with a full covered mask, tries to fatally harm or kill an another person? Someone ran away and you can't get an I.D. to find out who someone is..... because of covered up all face.

Sorry, a whole point make no sense to me...

Exactly! France is protecting all the people by requiring that people keep thier face uncovered. I can see a man (muslim or not) dressed up as a muslim woman in a burqa and robbed a bank. I can see how that could cause a big problem.

 

[Reba]

Okay. Sorry. I don't know what you consider Christian or how it works....

Not all Gentiles are Christians.

A born-again Christian is a person who has confessed to God that he is a sinner destined to Hell, and trusts Jesus Christ as the only way to eternal salvation and Heaven. It is thru the grace of Jesus Christ that His substitutionary death on the cross and shedding of His blood is the sacrificial payment for each person's sin. When the sinner accepts that work of Jesus, and repents (that is, turns from sin and towards Jesus), then he is born again with a new nature. That is a permanent, one-time transformation, and the start of a life-long relationship. It is totally unrelated to any rituals or church membership.

Because that is an informed and conscious decision, no one is a Christian at the first (natural, physical) birth but is at the second (spiritual) birth.

 

[Buffalo]

There has also been a very well know history of the French hatred of Algerians. Dar Al Hayat

And Jews. And Tunisians.

The French people are not the only ones who hate the Jews.

More Than One Quarter of Jews in France Want To Leave, Poll Finds

More Than One Quarter of Jews in France Want To Leave, Poll Finds
Joe Berkofsky

NEW YORK, March 25 (JTA) -- French Jews have grown so disgusted with anti-Semitism that more than one quarter of them are considering emigrating.

That's according to a new survey of the 500,000-member French Jewish community, the second largest in the diaspora.

The poll was conducted by The Israel Project, which previously measured American attitudes about Jews and Israel in order to produce pro-Israel ads.

According to the poll, 26 percent of those surveyed said they have considered emigrating due to worsening French anti-Semitism.

Of them, 13 percent are "seriously" considering leaving, according to Washington pollster Stan Greenberg, who led the surveys and focus groups.

The mood among French Jews is like a "severe depression," said Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi, a founder of The Israel Project.

However, CRIF, the main umbrella organization for French Jewry, criticized the survey, saying American Jews simply do not understand the French community.

"U.S. Jews have a complex because they didn't help the Jews of Europe during the Second World War," CRIF spokeswoman Edith Lenczner said.

The poll "doesn't anywhere near correspond with CRIF figures which were conducted with a far larger sample group," she said.

The Israel Project survey was carried out among 493 French Jews between Nov. 29 and Dec. 18, and two 12-person focus groups on Oct. 22 and 23. It had a margin of error of 4.4 percent.

The desire to leave France that it found coincides with a big jump in French Jewish perceptions of anti-Semitism, and in bitter experience.

Some 82 percent of respondents say anti-Semitism is a serious problem in France and 78 percent say it has deepened in the past few years.

Moreover, 38 percent of respondents say they personally have been the targets of anti-Semitic incidents, and 58 percent say they know friends or relatives who have been singled out.

Only 30 percent say they don't know anyone who has experienced some form of anti-Semitism.

Most of those who are thinking of leaving -- 64 percent -- have been victims of anti-Semitism, whether physical attacks, verbal assaults or some other form of anti-Jewish behavior.

"They felt attacked by anti-Semitism -- that could mean either verbally or some kind of pressure, not necessarily that they got beat over the head on the way to school," Laszlo Mizrahi said. "But it's like sexual harassment -- if you feel it, you feel it."

Anti-Semitism has grown so virulent in France that many observant Jews disguise the fact that they wear yarmulkes, she said.

In fact, religious and Sephardic Jews are more likely to have experienced anti-Semitism, and thus more likely to want to leave.

"As relatively recent immigrants, these Jews are less integrated into French society and have less confidence in French institutions than secular and Ashkenazi Jews," Greenberg said in a memo summarizing his findings.

Yet most French Jews are staying put, with 64 percent maintaining they should stay and fight anti-Semitism and 21 percent saying they should ignore it.

Not surprisingly, those who want to leave are more pessimistic about possibilities for the future in France.

Of those who have thought seriously of leaving, 83 percent say they expect anti-Semitism to get worse.

Only 4 percent of French Jews see improvements on the horizon.

Fully 86 percent of those considering leaving are eyeing Israel, compared to 60 percent who would think of moving to the United States.

"It's interesting that they consider Israel safer than France," Laszlo Mizrahi said.

The Jewish Agency for Israel reported a 30 percent to 40 percent increase in inquiries about aliyah before France's 2002 elections, which corresponded with a wave of anti-Semitic outbursts, many in reaction to Israeli military steps to quell the Palestinian intifada.

The French interior ministry reported 26 violent acts and 115 incidents of intimidation against Jews in 2001.

Abraham Foxman, national director of the New York-based Anti-Defamation League, was not surprised by the latest findings, saying that French Jews long have felt "under siege."

Yet Foxman wasn't particularly disturbed by the interest in leaving France.

"We shouldn't view people contemplating aliyah as a negative in Jewish life, we should view it as a positive," he said. "The fact that Jews want to go to Israel, that Jews feel safer in Israel, that's what Israel's all about."

Most French Jews blame Islamic fundamentalism for the rise in anti-Semitism.

Overall, 78 percent of French Jews blame radical Muslim youth in France for spreading anti-Semitism, while 76 percent also blame Israeli policy toward the Palestinians for hardening French government policy and contributing to anti-Semitism. Sixty percent also point to the French themselves as culprits.

(JTA Correspondent Philip Carmel in Paris contributed to this report.)

 

[Steinhauer]

Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, Crusades, Dominionism ....

 

[Alex]

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