Freemont Ca Citenzens turning into vigilantes

ravensteve1961

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If the police cant protect you in freemont so if you shoot a criminal they cannot arrest you. Because the police new policy there is to ignore burglar alarm calls. So if they ignore them and if the neighbor hears it i think he should go over with a gun and check it out if theres a burglar he can leagaly shoot him on the spot and he wont go to jail. If the cops do arrest him his lawyer will sue the city of freemont and the police dept and the officer who arested you. Link Here
 
ravensteve1961 said:
If the police cant protect you in freemont so if you shoot a criminal they cannot arrest you. Because the police new policy there is to ignore burglar alarm calls. So if they ignore them and if the neighbor hears it i think he should go over with a gun and check it out if theres a burglar he can leagaly shoot him on the spot and he wont go to jail. If the cops do arrest him his lawyer will sue the city of freemont and the police dept and the officer who arested you. Link Here

Steve...from the article:

Fremont Police Chief Craig Steckler announced the policy last month, saying more than 98 percent of Fremont's 7,000 annual alarm calls turn out to be false alarms. That costs $600,000 in staffing, tying up police officers who could be dealing with other crimes, he said.

Your upset that officers do not have the resources to solve crimes and aren't out fighting 'real crime'. Do you think that having officers respond to a 98% false alarm rate out of 7000 alarm call is not a waste of resources?

If businesses did more to ensure that their alarms were working properly and cut down on false alarms, do you think that would be an issue?

Our policy is to respond to ALL alarm calls, but do you know what we do about false alarms? On all alarm calls, we require a 'night responder' to come out to the business to meet officers. If Mr. Jones is woken up at 3am enough times, he gets his alarm fixed. Some people then ignore the phone calls from their alarm company because they know they will have to get out of bed at 3am and drive to their business. Some owners will tell the police 'I don't give a fook' and hang up on them.

I don't think the department in your article is doing a wise thing by ignoring alarm calls, but they should be charging those business owners for multiple false alarms. If the owner gets popped $100 after the first 3 false alarms that month, he has some insentive to get his alarm fixed.

Just to give you an example of how bad it is, just last night (and this is a nightly occurence) we responded to the same business 4 times during my shift. This is a nightly thing with this business, and this occurs with multiple businesses. Its an incredible waste of money and a waste of manpower...not to mention the safefty factor of officers responding to false alarms.
 
Then we should be able to gun down criminals if youre not gonna do your job. Look what you think our bosses gonna do if were not working? He fires us and hires somebody else to do the job. And the guns do all the work well then cops do.If see anyone with a black ski mask wondering around my neighborhood he gets shot!! very simple and theyre wont be anymore burglars because theyre be to scared to prowl around at night because of the guns.
 
Good post Taylor

In the days of Andy Griffith, Police cars all wore the banner "To protect and serve". They were called "Peace officers" because they were there to keep the peace. Now days they are "Law Enforcement Officers" and their job is to enforce the laws. There is no way that officers can protect everyone. They still do serve, but Andy would be a dead man on patrol with no gun.

Anyone who advocates vigilantis is asking for trouble. I have done the "shoot/don't shoot films myself. In one instance, I killed a man and ruined my life forever. BUT, I did the correct thing in that scenario. A man is forcing a little girl into his car. She is screaming "No! Leave me alone! Help me! This man is not my Daddy!"
He gets her in the car and slams the door. As he hurries around to the driver's side, I "take the stance" and order the man to halt. He spins to face me and reaches into his wasteband for a black rectangle. I doubletap him. Congratulations, you just killed a stepfather reaching for his wallet. It is an awsome responsibility to take a man's life. And a dangerous one to attempt without the full training and authority of the law behind you.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
Then we should be able to gun down criminals if youre not gonna do your job. Look what you think our bosses gonna do if were not working? He fires us and hires somebody else to do the job. And the guns do all the work well then cops do.If see anyone with a black ski mask wondering around my neighborhood he gets shot!! very simple and theyre wont be anymore burglars because theyre be to scared to prowl around at night because of the guns.

Steve, who is not doing their job? Business owners do have some responsibility to make sure their alarms are working correctly, right? Besides, being armed isn't going to do anything to help the problem....
What you are failing to understand here is that we are talking about businesses that are closed for the day/night. Alarm goes off, there is nobody around....doesn't matter if the owner is armed or not..he's at home sleeping. He won't be gunning down criminals.

If its a residential intrusion alarm and somebody is home (there is your required witness as the article states), the police will respond. If its at a business and somebody is on scene, there again is your witness. The article states a witness needs to be on scene...whether its a business owner or a resident...the police will respond.

One thing the article doesn't mention is the type of alarms they are referring to. There are different kinds of alarms..things like 'Front Door Intrusion', 'Glass Break', Hold-up/Panic alarms.

Whats funny about the whole thing is I have checked with the Fremont Police in regards to its alarm response policy. Nowhere is it indicated that police will not respond with the exception of chronic false alarms and the owner doesn't take steps to correct the problem.

Take a look at my next post for the ordinance and READ it. You like spewing from the lips without ever answering questions...I'm sure your next response will be cops are crooked.
 
I have bolded the part that talks of police response.

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In 1997, the Fremont Police Department responded to more than 10,000 false alarm calls. Studies have shown that approximately 98 percent of all business and residential alarm calls in Fremont are false alarms. Since the alarm ordinance went into effect in March of 1998, false alarms are down by 32%.
As you can imagine, it takes a lot of time and resources to respond to so many false alarms! Since the typical police response to an alarm involves two officers for 20-30 minutes, these alarm calls cost the City of Fremont a lot of wasted time and money. The City believes this time and money could be spent in a much more efficient and productive manner.

In order to reduce the number of false alarms and create more time for police officers to respond to crimes and solve problems, the City of Fremont adopted the "Fremont False Alarm Ordinance." This new ordinance is designed to increase the education and accountability of alarm owners in Fremont. It provided an incentive for alarm owners to repair and maintain their alarms, train their families and/or employees on alarm procedures and seek assistance from the Fremont Police Department and local alarm companies to reduce false alarms.


A key element of the alarm ordinance is the requirement of an alarm permit. The alarm permit is an integral part of the ordinance because it requires alarm users to provide the Police Department with the names, addresses and phone numbers of three persons who can respond to the premises within 35 minutes if the need arises.
In the past, alarms have sounded for hours or days because the owner or other responsible person could not be contacted to close off the alarm. Having this responsible information on file reduces this problem and makes it easier for the police to contact someone who can reset the alarm and provide access to a home or business.


Every person or business operating an alarm system in Fremont must obtain a permit from the Fremont Police Department. The initial permit costs $40.00 and is valid for two years. The permit must be renewed every two years at a cost of $20.00. The revenue generated from these permits is used to help defray the costs of equipment and personnel to administer the ordinance and, more importantly, to train alarm owners.
For a copy of a
Permit Application Click Here!
(Requires Adobe Acrobat to Read)

The alarm ordinance also encourages accountability and responsibility by charging alarm owners for false alarms. The City of Fremont realizes that false alarms do occur from time to time. No alarm user or alarm system is perfect. People occasionally make mistakes and alarms can malfunction. Therefore, two (2) false alarms in a 12 month period (beginning with the first false alarm received) are allowed and will be responded to without any charge. Citations will, however, be issued after the second false alarm. An alarm user who has more than three (3) false alarms in a 120 day time period may also be billed for excessive police service.
In order to deal with chronic false alarm problems, the City may suspend or revoke an alarm permit if there are four (4) false alarms in a 180 day time period, or five (5) responses by the Police Department in a 12-month period which did not require police services except to deactivate an alarm. Alarm users may appeal false alarm citations to the processing agency, and alarm permit suspensions/revocations may be appealed to the Fremont Police Department. Once a permit is suspended, alarm users must show proof they have corrected the problem within 30 days or they will be placed on a non response status. This means that the police will no longer respond to an alarm unless there is a secondary verification of an actual crime occurring.


The City of Fremont defines a false alarm as "a non-emergency activation of an alarm system due to mechanical failure, malfunction, improper installation or maintenance, or the negligence of the owner, lessee or his/her employees or agents which result in a response by the Fremont Police Department. False alarm does not include activations caused by tornadoes, earthquakes or other violent, uncontrollable acts on nature."

We are also proud to offer a 2 hour alarm school here at the police department. We cover how alarm systems work, what is a false alarm, the causes and impacts of false alarms and how to reduce and eliminate false alarms.
 
quit making worthless threads.. raven that won't get u anywhere trust me.. ;)
 
I suggest you start watching DEATH WISH I II III and IV and youll get the idea charles bronson was trying to tell you. Vigilante justice is the way to go.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
I suggest you start watching DEATH WISH I II III and IV and youll get the idea charles bronson was trying to tell you. Vigilante justice is the way to go.

Steve....you just proved my point. Why don't you address anything?
 
ravensteve1961 said:
I suggest you start watching DEATH WISH I II III and IV and youll get the idea charles bronson was trying to tell you. Vigilante justice is the way to go.
Charles Bronson made money off Death Wish I. He was trying to tell us we were dumb enough to pay to see part 2,3, and 4. MOST of us weren't. BTW, he would have blown away a guy who slashed his tires! :laugh2:
 
Codger said:
Charles Bronson made money off Death Wish I. He was trying to tell us we were dumb enough to pay to see part 2,3, and 4. MOST of us weren't. BTW, he would have blown away a guy who slashed his tires! :laugh2:

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If a cop did this to charles bronson he would been pissed.
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Gee dont you have anything better to do? My house was broken in last night. And where were you ?
 
ravensteve1961 said:
If a cop did this to charles bronson he would been pissed.

Uh, Steve…you do know that Charles Bronson was an actor who played a vigilante in a series of movies, don’t you? He wasn’t really a vigilante in real life…
 
Levonian said:
Uh, Steve…you do know that Charles Bronson was an actor who played a vigilante in a series of movies, don’t you? He wasn’t really a vigilante in real life…
And you know youre not a monkey in real life dont you?
 
ravensteve1961 said:
If a cop did this to charles bronson he would been pissed.
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Gee dont you have anything better to do? My house was broken in last night. And where were you ?

They were busy sitting at a business where the alarm had already gone off 3 times within hours of each other.....

Of course I'm sure if you were capable of having children who went to that school, you'd be pissed that truck speeding through a school zone while your kids were crossing the street.
 
At least he could have just say please slow down. You see if that lady had a badge in her purse i bet that cop wouldnt write her up.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
Gee dont you have anything better to do? My house was broken in last night. And where were you ?

Really, perhaps its because some jerks slashed police's car tyres and he can't help you any faster!!
 
ravensteve1961 said:
At least he could have just say please slow down. You see if that lady had a badge in her purse i bet that cop wouldnt write her up.

Steve, your logic makes no sense. If he asked her to slow down, would she? Now, if she had to pay for speeding, isn't that a little more insentive?
The reason your logic doesn't make sense is because you want police to ride around with DB meters to measure noise, and fine anyone who is making too much noise. Why should they be fined, when somebody could just tell them to 'turn that down'.

And if she had a badge in that purse, she'd be losing vacation time, comp time, and her supervisor would tear her a new one....does that happen to you when you get a ticket?
 
ravensteve1961 said:
You see if that lady had a badge in her purse i bet that cop wouldnt write her up.
That's where you are wrong, bub.

One of my mother's friends who is a veteran cop (very big man), he shared the stories with me that he has been fined several off-duty cops who broke the laws & rules (speed, double park, etc).

He also mentioned that cops do fine other cops who didn't follow the laws or rules... It is largely depend on individual. That's a word that you never, never ever understand what does it mean.

Well, you said that someone broke in your house, that's karma for you because you slashed others' tires. You reap what you sow.
 
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