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Birth


George W. Bush is born July 6, 1946, in New Haven, Conn., where his father is attending Yale.


John Kerry is born on Dec. 11, 1943, in a military hospital in Denver, where his serviceman father is hospitalized.


Age 2


George W. Bush moves with his family to the oil town of Midland, Texas. George Bush Sr. is a well-connected and wealthy oil man. Midland is an oil-executive enclave, where streets are named for Ivy League schools.


Age 6


In 1950, Kerry's family moves to Washington, where his father begins his career as a salaried foreign-service officer.


Age 16


Bush is a cheerleader at the exclusive Andover School in Connecticut, 1962. His grade point average is in the C range.


Kerry founds a debate club at the exclusive St. Paul's School in New Hampshire, 1960.


Age 18


Despite a C average in prep school, George Bush is accepted at Yale. They see something in the young man, perhaps a resemblance to his father the congressman (Yale, 1948) and his grandfather, former Connecticut senator and now Yale trustee Prescott Bush (Yale, 1917).


Age 20


Bush is arrested for stealing a Christmas wreath from a New Haven hotel and charged with disorderly conduct, 1966. The charges are later dismissed.


(With smoke billowing from his plane's bullet-riddled fuselage, Navy pilot George H.W. Bush bails out over the Pacific, 1944. His two crewmen do not survive, and this fact haunts the future president for the rest of his life.)


Age 21


In May 1968, George W. Bush graduates from Yale with a low C average. Now eligible for the draft, he avoids service in Vietnam by jumping to the front of a long waiting list of young men to join the 147th Fighter Group, the so-called "Champagne Unit" of the Texas Air National Guard. On his application, under the heading Overseas Assignment, Bush checks the box marked "Do not volunteer."


Age 22


John Kerry is chosen to deliver the class oration to the Yale graduating class of 1966. In his speech he questions the wisdom of the Vietnam War, saying: "The United States must, I think, bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world." Despite his misgivings, he enlists in the Navy.


Age 24


In the fall of 1968, while serving on the guided missile frigate USS Gridley in the Gulf of Tonkin, John Kerry volunteers to command a Swift boat in the Mekong Delta. The casualty rate among Swift boat personnel is around 75 percent, compared with around 14 percent in the rest of Vietnam. His best friend from Yale, Richard Pershing, has already died in combat.


(The general store Abraham Lincoln has been operating in New Salem, Ill., fails after one year, 1832. He has no powerful friends or relatives, so nobody bails him out.)


Age 25


In May 1972, with two years left in his enlistment, Bush requests reassignment to an inactive postal unit of the Texas Air National Guard. The unit has no planes, but he has lost his flight status for not taking a physical.


On Feb. 28, 1969, while on patrol, Kerry's boat comes under attack from the shore. Ignoring generally accepted evasive procedures, Kerry turns his craft directly into the enemy fire, beaches it and single-handedly chases down and kills an enemy armed with a rocket launcher. For this action he receives a Silver Star for gallantry. He may have been in Cambodia at Christmastime in 1968, delivering agents during the secret war, or it may have been a month later.


Age 26


At Christmas 1972, in Houston, Bush is driving drunk when he plows into a neighbor's garbage cans. When his father asks to have a talk, George Jr. challenges him to a fistfight.


Age 27


Bush is granted an early release from the Texas Air National Guard so he can attend Harvard Business School, 1973.


John Kerry becomes one of the leaders of Vietnam Veterans Against the War. In 1971 he attends the Winter Soldiers Conference in Michigan, where he listens to other veterans' accounts of atrocities committed under orders in Vietnam. On April 22, 1971, Kerry testifies before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and asks the difficult question: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" He relates some of the accounts told to him at the Winter Soldiers Conference. (George Washington marries a rich widow, 1759.)


Age 28


Kerry loses badly in his first run for political office, in the fall of 1972, in Massachusetts.


Age 30


Bush is arrested for drunken driving in Kennebunkport, Maine, September 1976. His teenage sister Dorothy is a passenger in the car. He pleads guilty and pays a $150 fine.


Kerry is earning a law degree at Boston College, 1974.


Age 32


George W. Bush's father sets him up in the oil business, 1978. The company is called Arbusto.


Age 34


John Kerry is working as a prosecutor in Middlesex County, Massachusetts, where he wins a high-profile murder case, and later gains the conviction of a notorious crime figure, George Edgerley. He never loses a case in Middlesex County.


Age 36


Some friends of George Bush Sr., then vice president, bail George Jr. out of his disastrous oil venture, absorbing Arbusto into Spectrum 7.


Age 39


(Lincoln, having been elected to Congress two years earlier, decides not to run for reelection, 1848. His vocal opposition to the war with Mexico was not popular with his constituents and may have played a part in his decision.)


In late 1986, Bush's new oil company, Spectrum 7, is $3 million in debt when it is rescued by Harken Energy, which is owned by friends of his father, the vice president. He is put on the Harken board, has his debts paid, is given another $2.2 million in stock options and a salary of $120,000 a year, with no real duties to perform.


Age 40


In 1986, Bush celebrates too hard at his 40th birthday party. He promises never to drink again.


In 1984, Kerry is the lieutenant governor of Massachusetts, a post he uses to champion better air and water regulations. On the retirement of Paul Tsongas, Kerry runs for his Senate seat, and wins.


Age 41


In 1985, Kerry bucks his party to support the Gramm-Rudman Balanced Budget legislation.


Age 42


Sen. Kerry employs his prosecutorial experience to investigate and uncover the Reagan administration's covert dealings with Islamic terrorists and the secret, illegal funding of guerrillas in Central America. The Iran-contra investigations result in convictions of several high Reagan administration officials.


Age 43


In June 1990, Bush sells two-thirds of his stake in Harken Energy at 2.5 times the original value of the stock, netting $848,560 two weeks before Harken announces a disastrous quarterly report. The SEC investigates the president's son in association with the sale of his stock.


(Washington is put in command of the Continental Army, 1775. His prudent strategy is to avoid direct engagement with the British, but to retreat slowly and strike when least expected. He avoids being wounded in battle but many of his fellow soldiers co nsider him a hero anyway.


Age 45


With an investment of $500,000 of borrowed money, Bush becomes a part owner of the Texas Rangers. He is given a $200,000 salary.


In 1989, Kerry votes to end the Apache Helicopter program, agreeing with Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney's recommendations to do so.


Age 46


In October 1990, Kerry votes to follow Cheney's recommendation to end the wasteful B-2 Bomber program. Kerry votes to stop making the F-14, which Cheney is growing skeptical of as well. Cheney proposes cutting the Trident submarine program and the Bradley Fighting Vehicle program, and Kerry, again, votes to support the defense secretary's wishes. Fourteen years later Kerry's support on these defense cuts will emerge as Vice President Cheney's bitterest criticisms of Kerry in the presidential campaign.


Age 47


In May of 1991, following the roadmap to normalization laid down by President George H.W. Bush, John Kerry visits Vietnam. As chairman of the Senate committee charged with investigating the POW/MIA issue, he works closely with a Republican senator and former POW, John McCain.


Age 48


With the help of wealthy friends, most notably Enron Chairman Ken Lay, George Bush is elected governor of Texas in 1994. While in office, he will set the record for executions by any governor in American history.


Age 51


In 1998, Bush sells his shares in the Texas Rangers, which he purchased for $500,000. The shares net $14.9 million. The biggest reason for the large profit is the fancy new stadium he helped persuade the state of Texas to build for the team.


Age 53


Running for president in early 2000, Bush loses to McCain in the New Hampshire primary but beats McCain in the South Carolina primary, after a very successful phone campaign in which Bush's people suggest McCain fathered a black child out of wedlock.


Age 54


Bush wins the Republican nomination for president. In November 2000, Bush claims victory in the presidential election, despite winning 500,000 fewer votes than opponent Al Gore. The Electoral College deadlock is broken when the U.S. Supreme Court stops a recount of votes in Florida. Bush receives liberal use of the corporate attorneys and corporate jets of Enron Corp. during the Florida vote-count litigation. He is the first U.S. president to be sworn into office with a criminal record.


Age 59


In early December 2003, most observers think Kerry's chances of winning the Democratic nomination for president are slim to none.


Age 60


Kerry accepts the Democratic nomination for president, July 2004.

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Hmmm...Sounds like Kerry's the more responsible and careful person of the 2. :roll: Bush with a criminal record, I ain't surprised -- but surprised that people voted for him into office. Tsk.

Go Kerry. :D
 
George W. Bush moves with his family to the oil town of Midland, Texas. George Bush Sr. is a well-connected and wealthy oil man.


Ahh no wondered why we have the war and it costing people lives too. :crazy:





I am still with Kerry all the way. :ily:
and I did not vote for Bush 4 yrs ago I voted for Gore, But he lost:(
 
Cheri said:
Ahh no wondered why we have the war and it costing people lives too. :crazy:





I am still with Kerry all the way. :ily:
and I did not vote for Bush 4 yrs ago I voted for Gore, But he lost:(
yea i agree with u!!! its true!!! oh geez!
 
So Bush got a "C" in both high school and university, huh? No wonder he made so many unwise decisions as a President. I've been thinking about not voting this year, but now I'm leaning toward Kerry. Only one more week 'til election day!!
 
Everyone make mistake!! Noone are perfect! We are so struggling with any problem but we are learning how sovle the problem. We cannot judge anyone because WE DO MAKE MISTAKE!
 
But we DO legally judge people.
That's why there are prisons.
Bush deserves a firing squad, however, he is a murderous traitor.
The truth cannot be hidden forever.
:)
 
If people want to vote for Kerry, that is their decision. I just hope they don't make that decision just based on the "facts" listed above. You are posting very selected items out of over 50 years of life. Not exactly fair and balanced, huh? Does it really matter where a president is born, or what kind of grades he got in high school?

I voted in the South Carolina primary in 2000, and never before heard anything about a phone campaign against Sen. McCain. Did you check the facts about that one?
 
Running for president in early 2000, Bush loses to McCain in the New Hampshire primary but beats McCain in the South Carolina primary, after a very successful phone campaign in which Bush's people suggest McCain fathered a black child out of wedlock.
I did some more asking around. No one I know here in South Carolina recalls anything about a phone campaign gossiping about McCain. Most South Carolina voters changed their support from McCain to Bush because McCain insulted Christians in the state.
 
Beowulf said:
Sighhh.... Sounds like there is an epidemic of amnesia in your area...
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0821c.html
:|
No, it sounds more like an epidemic of exageration by opponents of Bush. If anyone was spreading rumors, it certainly was not wide-spread thru the state, nor given any credence by intelligent voters. Some how even the city papers did not notice it. If there was any gossip, no one seemed to pay any attention to it. The endorsement by Republican Gov. Campbell, and Sen. Strom Thurmond carried more weight than any gossip. South Carolina is a conservative state, and McCain was not conservative enough for the voters. That's it. There was no "campaign" of phone calls.
 
Boult said:
this link require password blah... :p
Sen. McCain closing gap as GOP primary nears
BATTLING DOWN THE STRETCH: The poll raises the question of whether Bush has moved too far to the right in South Carolina. Meanwhile Keyes registered a distant third in the poll with only 2 percent.
Published on 02/17/00
BY SCHUYLER KROPF
The Post and Courier
What was nearly a 20-point lead for Texas Gov. George W. Bush over Arizona Sen. John McCain in South Carolina has eroded to a statistical tie just three days before Saturday's crucial primary.

Bush has a slight lead over McCain - 45 percent to 42 percent - among likely Saturday voters, according to a Post and Courier/-WCBD-TV News 2 poll. But the poll's 4 percent margin of error makes the race a toss-up.

Former ambassador Alan Keyes managed only 2 percent. Eleven percent are undecided.

Brad Coker of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research said the decision will be determined by one thing: turnout on what could be a wet and rainy day.

"Bush is strongest among traditional Republican voters - usually a major advantage in low-turnout primary elections," Coker said.

McCain's support from non-traditional voters could be significant if turnout is high.

McCain also is positioned to get more of the "undecided" voters. In Iowa and New Hampshire, Bush was unable to attract those voters - which could give McCain another boost in the final hours in South Carolina, where he's been outspent.

The poll also raises the question of whether Bush has moved too far to the right in South Carolina, where the Christian right was not able to save former Gov. David Beasley two years ago against Democrat Jim Hodges. Coker said the religious right has to come out en masse for Bush to get a convincing win.

"If Bush's strategy of `moving to the right' against McCain does not work in South Carolina, it probably will not work anywhere else," said Coker, adding: "South Carolina could be make-or-break for Bush."

McCain made this a make-or-break state for him early on by saying he had to win the South Carolina primary.

Pollsters were in the field Monday and Tuesday night, a period that included CNN's nationally televised debate among the candidates.

South Carolina Bush spokesman Tucker Eskew said Bush knows he must get his people to vote on Saturday. "We expect a close race and it's hard to gauge the turnout," he said.

Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager said, "It's a very positive poll for us. It's as close as we've seen in any public poll." He added, "We continue to grow while Bush has the same numbers he has had quite some time in this state."

The Feb. 14-15 poll of 627 likely voters is consistent with other recent media and private polls. The survey group included traditional Republican primary faithful, religious conservatives, party newcomers, independents, veterans and some Democrats who say they plan to cross-over on Saturday - a wild card the Bush campaign didn't foresee back in January before the S.C. Democratic Party scrapped its primary.

The situation is making the Bush campaign antsy as strategists deal with what former Gov. Carroll A. Campbell Jr. called Democrat "chicanery."

In the voter profile breakdown, Bush has a wide advantage over McCain among so-called "core" Republicans and conservatives:

Among likely voters who identify themselves as Republicans, Bush leads 56 percent to 34 percent; among previous GOP primary voters Bush leads 49 percent to 39 percent; among those who voted straight Republican in 1998 Bush leads 57 percent to 28 percent; among members of the Christian Coalition he's up 51 percent to 30 percent; and among those who oppose removing the Confederate flag from the Statehouse Dome, Bush leads McCain 50 percent to 31 percent.

The voter profile for McCain shows:

He's ahead among voters who don't consider themselves part of the GOP establishment, leading Bush among Democrats or independents by a 52 percent to 31 percent margin; among those voting in their first GOP primary 53 percent to 31 percent; and among those who split their ticket in 1998 and voted for either Democrats Gov. Hodges or Sen. Fritz Hollings, 54 percent to 32 percent.

Additionally, McCain has the lion's share of the 32 percent of the South Carolina voting pool who served in the military. McCain leads Bush in that group 50 percent to 32 percent. McCain has targeted the military vote from the first of the campaign.

Bush needs to step up in the next two days to secure his South Carolina lead or what was envisioned as a Bush coronation could turn into a bloody GOP feud, Coker said.

"If Bush loses South Carolina, he'll lose Arizona and probably Michigan, so he'll be going into Super Tuesday with a lot of air out of his balloon," he predicted.

"Bush still has plenty of money and organization and lot of people behind his campaign. But if McCain keeps beating him, then the perception of Bush as the chosen leader of the Republicans starts to vaporize," Coker added.

Bush led McCain 51 percent to 24 percent in a mid-January Post and Courier poll that included a multi-candidate field.

But McCain's win in New Hampshire gave him a huge boost in various polls. He moved ahead of Bush, who has gradually regained ground.

The results are based on telephone interviews with 627 voters statewide. All indicated they were likely to vote Saturday. Regional quotas were assigned to reflect voter distribution by county. Blacks made up less than 9 percent of the survey, and the sample was evenly split between men and women.

ED:Rachel Graves of The Post and Courier contributed to this story.
 
After the primary, still no mention of phone call campaign or personal rumors:

GOP, Bush singed on S.C. firewall
Published on 03/15/00
BY RACHEL GRAVES
The Post and Courier
COLUMBIA - The GOP's favorite son came out of South Carolina's presidential primary a winner who had put his insurgent challenger in his place.

But with the Feb. 19 victory that put him on the path to the Republican nomination, George W. Bush picked up some uniquely Southern baggage that could cost him in the general election.

South Carolina came close to its billing as the conservative firewall in the GOP presidential race, where Texas Gov. Bush would flourish and Arizona Sen. John McCain would flounder.

The campaign continued on after Bush's 11-point win here, and Arizona Sen. John McCain even won Michigan and several Northeastern states.

But South Carolina - once the state McCain himself said he needed to win to be a serious contender for the nomination - dealt him a serious blow that set his campaign on the way toward its demise last week.

"South Carolina, as we said all along, was very important," McCain spokesman Dan McLagan said. "They threw everything but the kitchen sink at us ... and they succeeded."

With its boon for the front-runner, though, the Palmetto State brought bad news for the GOP, introducing the controversial issues of religion and racism into the presidential race.

Bush's lurch toward the right in South Carolina might hurt him in the general election, analysts say. It also laid the groundwork for McCain's slam of the religious right, which many have called the defining moment of his cam- paign.

And the controversy over the Confederate battle flag, which flies atop the South Carolina Statehouse, gave Democrats ammunition against Republicans who were reluctant to take a stand on the divisive issue.

"I think it's kind of a mixed blessing," Earl Black, a political analyst at Rice University in Houston, said of Bush's win.

Black said South Carolina has come through for several front-runners in past presidential campaigns - including Bush's father, former President George Bush. But their wins didn't leave those candidates with the kind of baggage that Bush Jr. now carries.

Brad Coker, managing director of Mason Dixon Polling and Research Inc., agreed that Bush's strategy to win in South Carolina could hurt him in the general election.

"It was a survivalist instinct. I think if he'd lost South Carolina, Bush would have gone into a free fall," Coker said. "When you're faced with extinction, you'll do whatever you have to do to survive."

The Bush camp sees it differently, saying the Texas governor showed in South Carolina that he is a fighter.

"It proved he was up to the task," said Warren Tompkins, southeastern regional chairman for the Bush campaign.

Knack for front-runners

In the end, the surprise of the South Carolina primary was that the outcome was exactly what most had predicted months earlier, before it was second-guessed during the campaigning.

Many scoffed when former presidential contender John McCain named South Carolina as his must-win state. New Hampshire is known for liking mavericks, analysts said, but the Palmetto State goes for front-runners.

Then McCain trounced Bush in New Hampshire, and overnight, the forecast changed. The Arizona senator's 20-point deficit in the polls vanished, and hordes of fans mobbed his campaign events.

Bush and McCain, who had expressed mutual admiration for each other earlier in the primary season, went to war. The campaign degenerated into mudslinging and sniping over who went negative first as the legendary political machine of former Gov. Carroll Campbell kicked into high gear for Bush.

Anti-abortion groups, the tobacco lobby, a pro-Confederate flag group and a Bob Jones University professor all launched attacks on McCain, who started comparing himself to Luke Skywalker from Star Wars.

Saying he wanted to be president "in the best way, not the worst way," McCain pulled his negative ads. Bush called it just another campaign tactic. Analysts said it was a strategic error.

Analysts predicted a close race between McCain and Bush until the very end, when McCain's poll numbers started to slip.

"If the primary had been a week earlier, things would have been a bit different," Coker said.

McCain started his South Carolina campaign trying to court the religious right, but his trouncing by Christian conservatives here changed that attitude.

"We lost the religious right by 57 points, proudly," McCain strategist John Weaver said that afternoon. "They overwhelmingly turned out for him. Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell ought to be congratulated."

Bush staffer Tompkins said McCain "left South Carolina a very angry candidate."

The McCain camp flew defiantly on to Michigan, where it paid for phone calls to Catholics that criticized Bush for speaking at Bob Jones University. The Greenville school has been accused of anti- Catholicism and had a policy against interracial dating until earlier this month.

And then McCain's biggest political gamble: He traveled to religious leader Pat Robertson's home town of Virginia Beach, Va., and ripped Robertson and the Rev. Jerry Falwell, calling them "agents of intolerance."

McCain spokesman McLagan said the speech was intended to highlight the need for reform because it showed the leaders were turning a good cause into a business.

But, he acknowledged: "There was obviously some frustration at the level of vitriol that was leveled against the senator" by leaders of the religious right.

What went wrong

Analysts say the attack on the religious right, borne out of frustration in South Carolina, doomed McCain's campaign.

"He's alienated the establishment and the religious right," Black said. "It's not the kind of thing that allows you to build ... broad support among Republicans."

Black said McCain inspired high voter turnout - against him.

"They're just going to feel insulted and turn out," he said of conservative Christians. He added that they did not distinguish between criticisms of their leaders and themselves.

Coker said McCain would have been smarter to quietly distance himself from religious conservatives. But, he added, it is hard to see any way McCain could have won the nomination given Bush's superior organization and flush pocketbook.

"If you're going to go down, you might as well go down in a blaze of glory," he said.

Another mistake for McCain's campaign, Coker said, was setting its sights too high in South Carolina.

"I think if he had not set the bar so high in South Carolina early on, he probably could have weathered the loss there better," Coker said. "He kind of chose to stand and fight there."

Christian conservatives were not the only group to reject McCain in South Carolina. Bush supporters and analysts agree that the Palmetto State voted more in line with national Republican views than New England, where the party tends to be more independent, or Michigan, where Democrats and independents turned out in large numbers for McCain.

"We are much more representative of the Republican Party at large than the national media has been trying to give us credit for," Tompkins said. "They came here with the perception that we were crackers and Christians."

A McCain campaign official said the senator lost South Carolina not because of the politics of state voters but because of an "unprecedented barrage" of negative campaigning.

"I just hope that the lesson that is drawn from the South Carolina primary this year is not a cynical one, ... that the more mud that you can throw at an opponent the better," he said.

Tompkins said it was not about negativity, but about Bush getting an opportunity to define himself.

South Carolina's future

Coker believes this year's presidential primary has upped South Carolina's role in choosing the Republican nominee. He said if the next GOP presidential primary is open - that is, if Bush does not win the presidency - South Carolina will be watched as closely as Iowa and New Hampshire.

Coker said candidates will think, "South Carolina is a state that, hmm, if I can do well there, it can really launch my campaign."

Black isn't so sure.

The controversies over the Confederate flag and Bob Jones University might send the Republican National Committee elsewhere in search of its firewall state.

"If South Carolina's going to have a major role, they would really like to see that flag come down," he said.
 
Boult said:
OK. I just finished reading the entire (loooong) transcript. I didn't see anything about people making phone calls with gossip about McCain's personal life. I read that some people called under the guise of taking polls, and then criticized the candidate, but nothing about illegitimate black children.
 
Course, for those of us that do want to vote for President of the United, but have decided you may want to select someone else besides Kerry and Bush, here's the websites for some of the lesser know "3rd party"/"spoiler" candidates for that office:
http://www.votecobb.org (David Cobb, Green Party)*
http://www.peroutka2004.com/ (Michael Peroutka, Constitution Party)*
http://badnarik.org/ (Michael Badnarik, Libertarian Party)*
http://www.waltbrownforpresident.org/ (Walt Brown, Socialist Party)
http://uspresident.personalchoice.org/ (Charles Jay, Personal Choice Party)
http://www.votenader.com/ (Ralph Nader, independent candidate)*

(the ones with an asterix[*] by their name signified that they're on enough ballots to actually have a chance to become President).
 
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