Father kills sons, himself in Miami Beach

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Father kills sons, himself in Miami Beach


The couple was in town from Alton Ill. with their two young children celebrating their 10-year wedding anniversary.

But the vacation turned tragic early Saturday morning when the Illinois man, Edward Van Dyk, 43, threw his boys off the 15th floor of the Loews Hotel in South Beach and then jumped to his own death.

The boys, ages 4 and 8, were still in their pajamas, Miami Beach Police spokesman Robert Hernandez said.

''It's a terrible tragedy,'' Hernandez said. ``This is an individual who had issues and selfishly took his children's life.''

The children's mother was not injured, Hernandez said. The identities of all family members were not immediately released.

Van Dyk is a radiology oncologist at Alton Memorial Hospital in Alton, Ill., according to hospital officials.

Miami Beach police identified the wife as Qinuo Van Dyk. She, too, is a doctor, but is not practicing because she had chosen to stay at home to care of their children.

According to Hernandez this is what happened at the hotel:

At about 8:30 a.m. Saturday morning, the mother, who was in another room, heard one of her children screaming.

She ran out and spotted her husband jumping over the balcony.

She looked over the railing and found her young boys together with their father, lying on the mezzanine roof.

The woman, believed to be in her late 30s, early 40s, told police she and her husband had been having marital problems for the past six months.

On Saturday afternoon, police were trying to interview witnesses and contact relatives of the family.

But even police were in shock over what had happened.

''What would possess someone to take his two children, dressed in their pajamas and throw them over the balcony?'' asked Hernandez.

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An Illinois man dropped his two sons, ages 4 and 8, from a 15th floor balcony of the Loews Hotel and then jumped to his own death in Miami Beach on Saturday.

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City of Miami Beach Police investigators on the scene where Dr. Edward Van Dyk, from Illinois, dropped his two sons, ages 4 and 8, from a 15th floor balcony of the Loews Hotel and then jumped to his own death.

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Hotel guests watch the crime scene from their hotel rooms at the Loews.​
 
Omg that's terrible.. especially the kids are dead now. :( I wonder if it has to do with his personal life or something?
 
FelixKat930 said:
Omg that's terrible.. especially the kids are dead now. :( I wonder if it has to do with his personal life or something?

I dunno and probably his wife tell the police about him cause she said her husband having plm for past 6 months.
 
Shame! I feel bad for two boys that father threw them and killed them. :mad: Horribe tragedy!!

I google'd it up and here's a picture of that doctor - just copy and paste into a new browser:

http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?archive_id=0&page_id=1422660691&page_url=%2f%2fwww.altonmemorialhospital.org%2famh_sharpfocus.aspx%3fpage%3dPhysicianProfile%26DrNo%3d'1032532'&page_last_updated=1%2f31%2f2006+7%3a58%3a09+PM&firstName=Edward&lastName=Van+Dyk
 
AnnyGuy said:
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?archive_id=0&page_id=1422660691&page_url=%2f%2fwww.altonmemorialhospital.org%2famh_sharpfocus.aspx%3fpage%3dPhysicianProfile%26DrNo%3d'1032532'&page_last_updated=1%2f31%2f2006+7%3a58%3a09+PM&firstName=Edward&lastName=Van+Dyk

:dunno: :dunno:
 
SOOO SAD!!!!!!!!!!! :( It is such a shame to see 2 little boys had a short life and didn't have a chance to live and go college, get married, have kids and grow old age! :(
 
That's crazy and awful for him to doing to his and his wife's kids! I would understand if he left his kids behind and jumped to kill himself. But, made his kids to "jump" to kill themselves? That's crazy!
 
That is sick and crazy. That is something I could never do. He could of done the kids and his wife a favor. He could just simply had left the hotel then commited suicide while the wife and the kids stay at the hotel.

I am not encouraging suicide at all in fact, I am very against suicide. I know that suicide is a daily fact of life. Suicide does happen all over the world. You can be sure those small boys are in Heaven today with God and Lord Jesus Christ and be very sure that God will make the father pay for the kid's deaths by sending the father to hell for harming innocent souls then commiting suicide.

Also, on a side note. If you commit suicide you automatically go to hell, first you will see God then talk to Him and give an account then he will hand you over to satan which is something you never want then you are in the lake of hades ( hell ) forever burning with gnashing teeth for commiting suicide.
 
Heath said:
Also, on a side note. If you commit suicide you automatically go to hell . . .

Do you have a Scripture verse to back this up, Heath? If not, don't say it because it's not true. Many Christians commit suicide for various reasons and there is no shred of evidence in the Bible that says they they'd go to Hell. I pm'ed you re this.

On another note, he is 43-years old, which is the same age I am. However, I do NOT look that old . . . he looks like he's about 60!
 
Pek1, Here are some Scriptures that you asked for concerning the issue of suicide.

Here are some Biblical verses to consider .....

Numbers 11:12-15 Moses was in despair because of the complaints of the Israelites whom he was leading. The burden of leadership was too heavy for him to bear. He asked God "If You treat me like this, please kill me here and now..."

Judges 9:52-54: The warrior-king of Israel, Abimelech, was attacking a tower in Thebez, hoping to exterminate large numbers of unarmed civilians as he had just done in Shechem. As he attempted to burn the door to the tower, a woman dropped a piece of a millstone on Abimelech's head. He felt that he was morally wounded. The king's contempt for women was so great that he quickly asked his armor bearer to kill him with his sword, in order that people not say that he had been killed by a woman.

Judges 16:29-30 Samson had been chained to the two middle pillars of a temple. He pushed them apart. thereby knowingly causing the collapse of the building, his own suicide and the death of a few thousand people inside. The death toll exceeded the number of people that he had killed during the rest of his life -which was considerable. Samson had been blinded, and no longer wanted to live as a captive. And by causing his own death, he had a chance to destroy many of the enemy.

1 Samuel 31:4-6 In a war against the Philistines, Saul's sons Johnathan, Abinadab and Malchishua were killed, and Saul himself was seriously wounded. He asked his armor bearer to kill him, but his assistant refused. So he took a sword and fell on it. The armor bearer then also fell on his sword. Both committed suicide. These precise events are also described in 1 Chronicles 10:3-7. Saul's justification for committing suicide was that because of his injuries, if the Philistines arrived, he would be abused and killed.

2 Samuel 1:2-17 An unidentified Amalekike man described to David a very different account about Saul's death. The versions in 1 Samuel 31 and 1 Chronicles 10, describe how Saul committed suicide by himself, after his armor bearer refused to perform the task. In this version, Saul had the Amalekite, a stranger, kill him, in a form of assisted suicide. After hearing the story of how the Amalekike had carried out the wishes of Saul, David had him executed on the spot, because he had "slain the LORD's anointed." The implication is that one can assist in the suicide of a commoner, but not in the case of a king. There is no criticism of Saul asking for help in committing suicide.

2 Samuel 17:1-29 Ahithophel recommended that he be allowed to choose 12,000 men, to pursue King David immediately, and kill him. When his advice was not accepted, he became so depressed that he returned to his city, "put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died..."

1 King 16:15-20 Zimri, king of Tirzah, saw his city besieged and taken. He was distressed at the sins that he had committed. He "went into the citadel of the king's house and burned the king's house down upon himself with fire, and died..."

I King 18:40 and 19:4 In an act of vicious religious intolerance, Elijah ordered 400 priests of Baal executed. Ahab went to Jezebel, telling her that Elijah had "executed all the prophets with the sword." She swore to kill Elijah within the next 24 hours. Elijah fled for this life to Beersheba, went into the wilderness, and "prayed that he might die." He said, "It is enough! Now, LORD, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!"

Jonah 4:1-11 God had threatened the destruction of the Nineveh, a city of 120,000 people. But the king and people of the city listened to Jonah, repented of their sins, and fasted. God changed his mind and did not destroy the city. Jonah was so angry at God's display of mercy that he asked God to kill him, "for it is better for me to die than to live!" He repeated the same request to God on the next day.

What God says about suicide:

Acts 16:28 KJV - "Do Thyself no harm."

Suicide destroys all that Jesus came to do:

Matthew 18:11 KJV - "For the Son of Man is come to save that which was lost."

Romans 5:8 KJV - "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

John 10:10 KJV - "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

Therefore, suicide is the ultimate slap in God's face and the ultimate statement of no faith. By committing suicide, that is like saying, "God, what a fool you were for sending your Son to bring life to mankind. You may have sent your son to be the propitiation for my sins, and you may have sent your son to be the answer to my problems. But I do not believe in Him, or I do not believe He can handle my problems. He may be able to handle everyone else's, but my problems are way too big for Jesus. So I am going to kill myself. I am going to be my own god and take my own life."

Proverbs 8:36 KJV - "He that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death."

Psalms 11:3 KJV - "when the foundation is destroyed where shall the righteous turn?"

Romans 15:13 KJV - "Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost."

Job 11:18-20 KJV - "And thou shalt be secure, because there is hope; yea, thou shalt dig about thee, and thou shalt take thy rest in safety. Also thou shalt lie down, and none shall make thee afraid; yea, many shall make suit unto thee. But the eyes of the wicked shall fail, and they shall not escape, and their hope shall be as the give up of the ghost."

I John 5:13 KJV - "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

Jeremiah 10:23 KJV - "O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps."

I Corinthians 3:17 KJV - "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

I Samuel 31:4-5 KJV - "Then said Saul unto his armourbearer. Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumicicsed come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. There Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise upon his sword, and died with him."

James 1:15 KJV - "Sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

What Hell is like:

Luke 16:22-24 KJV - "...The rich man also died, and was buried, and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lararus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."

Our life are are not our own to end on our own:

Acts 20:28 KJV - "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

Isaiah 8:22 KJV - "And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness."

Exodus 20:13 KJV - "Thou shalt not kill."

The Hebrew word for kill means especially to murder. Killing oneself is just as much as murder in the eyes of the Lord as if you were to kill anyone else.

How to find salvation:

The first thing is to give Jesus a chance. Ask Him to come into your life. We are the reason why He went to the cross. If you yourself had been the only sinner in the world, He would have still gone to the cross for you. Even if you would have been as a big of a sinner as Ariel Sharon, Jesus would have still been willing to die for you. There is not a sin that is greater than He is, meaning there is nothing on the face of this Earth that is so bad that He would not be willing to forgive you for it, if you ask Him to!

Romans 6:23 KJV - "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." That means, that in the eyes of the Lord, all sin is equal. There is no greater or lesser sin!

He was raised from the dead and now sits at the right hand of the Father God, ever making intercession for each and every one of us (Romans 8:34 KJV).

John 3:16 KJV - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Romans 10:9-10 KJV - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made into salvation."

John 6:37 KJV - "Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
 
Pek1, Here are a couple more....

http://www.holybiblesays.org/articles/suicide.htm

To see how satan operates from a Biblical point of view....

http://thetent.ws/Satan.html

Notice how this prayer is said .....

Dear Lord Jesus, I know I am a sinner, and I deserve to pay my own sin debt, but I do believe that You died for me to pay the debt that I owe. Today, the best I know how, I trust You as my Savior. I will depend on You from this moment on for my salvation. Now help me to live for You and to be a good Christian.

This is saying God and Jesus Christ clearly wants you to stay alive for Him which can be a wonderful thing, although yes, life is very hard and we all have our personal struggles. Suicide is not the answer or the way out. Only staying alive, trusting, accepting Jesus Christ is the real truth which God will reward you on the day you die naturally or in an car accident etc. Wheneever God says it is time for you to go home to be with the Lord Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father Abba.
http://www.calvaryonline.com/heaven.htm
 
Heath said:
...Also, on a side note. If you commit suicide you automatically go to hell....
Not accurate.
:topic:
 
pek1 said:
...On another note, he is 43-years old, which is the same age I am. However, I do NOT look that old . . . he looks like he's about 60!
He does look older. My Hubby is 53, and the doctor looks older than him.
 
Heath said:
...This is saying God and Jesus Christ clearly wants you to stay alive for Him which can be a wonderful thing, although yes, life is very hard and we all have our personal struggles. Suicide is not the answer or the way out. Only staying alive, trusting, accepting Jesus Christ is the real truth which God will reward you on the day you die naturally or in an car accident etc. Wheneever God says it is time for you to go home to be with the Lord Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father Abba.
http://www.calvaryonline.com/heaven.htm
God doesn't want people to kill themselves but that doesn't mean those who do "go straight to hell."

If you want to continue this discussion, please move this to the appropriate thread under Debates.
 
Wow, that's really sad. Looks like a really strange news I've heard in a while.
 
Reba, I was just responding to Pek1's request for Scriptural answers.
 
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