excerpts of President Obama's address to Congress tonight

[netrox]

Hmm...strangely quiet.

That's because there's none. There's nothing to discuss. You're the one that claim that abortion is covered. It never said that.

 

[Reba]

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THE SEC 246

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
4 ALIENS.
5 Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
6 for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
7 not lawfully present in the United States.

Oops, I missed your post.

So, those people in the United States illegally wouldn't be covered. They wouldn't be required to get the insurance or pay any fines. Does that mean no more ER treatment for them? Or would that continue to be the same as it is now?

 

[kokonut]

That's because there's none. There's nothing to discuss. You're the one that claim that abortion is covered. It never said that.

Where does it say that abortion will not be funded or supported in any shape or form through the use of Federal funds? I like to see that in writing, please.

 

[Reba]

That's because there's none. There's nothing to discuss. You're the one that claim that abortion is covered. It never said that.

Does that mean that women who want abortions would pay for them fully out of pocket?

Are there any other procedures that won't be covered?

 

[kokonut]

The question is, Reba, there is nothing in the Bill that gives any provisions on how to ensure who they treat aren't illegal aliens. Or even give the go ahead to request documentations to prove that they are here legally. Also, the bill prohibits any discrimination to anybody for health care, so that means it covers illegal aliens, too.

See the conflict?

It's a big red flag, folks.

 

[Reba]

The question is, Reba, there is nothing in the Bill that gives any provisions on how to ensure who they treat aren't illegal aliens. Or even the go ahead to request documentation to prove that they are here legally. Also, the bill prohibits any discrimination to anybody for health care, so that means it covers illegal aliens, too....

Will the people who are covered be required to register? And then be issued picture ID's? Wouldn't they be denied service if they don't produce an ID at the service provider's request?

 

[netrox]

Reba and Kokonut, admit it, you're so brainwashed by the right wing extremists claiming that abortion is covered and that circumcision is required and that illegals will be covered. NONE of them are true.

If it's an illegal, then he'll have to pay. He's not covered. period.

 

[kokonut]

Yes, Reba, how do the ensure and enforce it that funds do not go to illegal aliens but to the people who are here legally and are citizens of the United States? Good question.

 

[netrox]

Does that mean that women who want abortions would pay for them fully out of pocket?

Are there any other procedures that won't be covered?

Since when did the federal government give money for abortion?

 

[kokonut]

Reba and Kokonut, admit it, you're so brainwashed by the right wing extremists claiming that abortion is covered and that circumcision is required and that illegals will be covered. NONE of them are true.

If it's an illegal, then he'll have to pay. He's not covered. period.

The bill specifically states that people cannot be discriminated for health care. Thus, it covers illegal aliens. It didn't say who it can discriminate but that no one be discriminated.

Plus, "not lawfully present" and "illegally present" are two different meanings.

 

[netrox]

Kokonut, stop reading TOO MUCH into that.

It was clear as a bell - NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Many state laws prohibit hospitals from denying health care to illegals - you can complain to YOUR state about that but the federal health care will NOT pay for illegals.

 

[darkdog]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THE SEC 246

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
4 ALIENS.
5 Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
6 for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
7 not lawfully present in the United States.

The point is the bill doesn't include any enforcement mechanisms. According to the report, it leaves that up to the Health Choices Commissioner.

 

[netrox]

The point is the bill doesn't include any enforcement mechanisms. According to the report, it leaves that up to the Health Choices Commissioner.

But you seem to fail to get the point - it made it clear it WILL NOT PAY for illegals. If they're illegal ,they won't pay.

It's that simple - it doesn't matter what enforcment is used.. it can be lax or stringent but the bill PROHIBITS paying care to illegals.

 

[kokonut]

But you seem to fail to get the point - it made it clear it WILL NOT PAY for illegals. If they're illegal ,they won't pay.

It's that simple - it doesn't matter what enforcment is used.. it can be lax or stringent but the bill PROHIBITS paying care to illegals.

It says "undocumented aliens" and not "illegal aliens."

 

[Reba]

Reba and Kokonut, admit it, you're so brainwashed by the right wing extremists claiming that abortion is covered and that circumcision is required and that illegals will be covered. NONE of them are true.

If it's an illegal, then he'll have to pay. He's not covered. period.

I never mentioned circumcision. I made no claims about abortion but only asked questions. There is no reason to get upset or be insulting.

 

[Reba]

Since when did the federal government give money for abortion?

What does that have to do with my question about Obama's health plan?

Are you saying that the federal government has never paid for abortions so that means they won't pay for them in the future with the new plan?

If that isn't what you mean, please clarify for me.

 

[Reba]

But you seem to fail to get the point - it made it clear it WILL NOT PAY for illegals. If they're illegal ,they won't pay.

It's that simple - it doesn't matter what enforcment is used.. it can be lax or stringent but the bill PROHIBITS paying care to illegals.

So the health care providers will have a way to know who is legal and who is illegal, correct? This is what I asked--will people have some kind of picture ID to prove that they are entitled to coverage?

 

[kokonut]

Mark Tapscott noted yesterday that a new Congressional Research Service report is being discussed by Republican members of Congress. It says essentially that notwithstanding all the rhetoric to the contrary (including, most recently, that of Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.), there is really nothing in the House health reform bill to prevent illegal immigrants from getting subsidies from the federal government for their insurance premiums under the plan.
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In its subsection on health insurance subsidies (known as "affordability credits"), HR 3200 does state, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." That would seem to solve the problem, but it's more rhetoric than reality. The bill contains no verification requirement or enforcement process for citizenship or legal residency, as exists for other federal benefit programs. The only verification required for the subsidies pertains to family income. Beyond that, as the CRS report notes, everything is left in the hands of the Health Choices Commissioner.

House Democrats defeated all attempts in committee to add an enforcement mechanism that would require proof of citizenship or legal residency for those getting subsidies.

Read the CRS report on ObamaCare's treatment of illegal immigrants | San Francisco Examiner

CRS also notes that “undocumented aliens” who have a “substantial presence” in the US would be required to buy health insurance (page 4) through the exchanges in HR3200. They would also become eligible for “emergency Medicaid,” (not the normal Medicaid) for up to five years (page 6).

If Congress (or Obama) tries to tell us again that no Federal funds will go to cover illegal aliens, we can show them the Congressional Research Office report and tell them to stop spreading myths and lies.

http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/noncitizens.pdf

 

[dogmom]

for posting excerpts, Jillio - my mom said she thought it was a good speech but I missed it.
My husband has been variously un-employed/laid off for about a year and 1/2 and has been looking for work. Throughout this time we have variously had no health insurance, or insurance for just me, as he has several congenital conditions that prevented him from getting insurance from the places we contacted. We couldn't afford that COBRA<?> coverage. When I broke my arm and needed surgery and PT we paid out-of -pocket installments. We recently found a insurer who would cover both of us for catastrophic/hospital but don't for example have dental insurance so my teeth cleaning appt. has been put off.
Hubby just got new contract job! But "insurance" offered through staffing firm is pretty worthless so we continue to pay for personal coverage.

 

[darkdog]

But you seem to fail to get the point - it made it clear it WILL NOT PAY for illegals. If they're illegal ,they won't pay.

It's that simple - it doesn't matter what enforcment is used.. it can be lax or stringent but the bill PROHIBITS paying care to illegals.

No, I get that point. I could pass a bill prohibiting anyone from ever wearing pink shirts but if I do nothing to enforce it, what does it matter?

Enforcement of the affordability credits is left up to a commissioner, so it really comes down to whether you trust the federal government to appoint a commissioner that will enforce that section. Given the government's track record of saying one thing and doing another with regard to immigration, I'm not so sure I trust them.