Dont Tell Me What To Believe....

[IcedTeaRulz]

curious.. why do you think it is the same person? I thought you cannot have 2 screennames at the same time. Can you please enlighten me why you think it's the same person? I think my 'detective' instinct needs some brushing ups. :P

U figure it out.

 

[AJ]

U figure it out.

why dont u just tell us? u know why u cant tell us? because u know we are two different people. get a life.

 

[EyesBlueDeaf]

U figure it out.

Obviously you don't have an answer.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Jesus is not his brother, Jesus is not human, He did not come from two people that made love, He is the spirits.

Of course Jesus is human with flesh and blood like us, not spirits.

Why do you think people bow down to him?

Because they know Jesus is son of God. Jesus often told people that it's his Father who send him his strength.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I have a funny feeling and u might be right. I noticed something...

Check this link
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=450717&postcount=7

What would you say? Do you still want to claim that GodDoesNotHate and AJ are same person?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

curious.. why do you think it is the same person? I thought you cannot have 2 screennames at the same time. Can you please enlighten me why you think it's the same person? I think my 'detective' instinct needs some brushing ups. :P

AJ and GodDoesNotHate know Alex's rule for not allow to have one member to use 2 screennames, don't they?

 

[Cheri]

Of course Jesus is human with flesh and blood like us, not spirits.

No, Mary was still a virgin became pregnant by God's spirit, that's a true sign of the Messiah, Jesus was not like the rest of us where we came from our own mother and father who created us by making love. We are the humans the same way God created Adam and Eve to be the first human being on planet, until Eve and Adam disobey God by eating the fruit from the tree that Satan told them to eat., the sins carried out to all the human race, included us all expect Jesus because Jesus was not human. God was in the person of Jesus, serving mankind by being sacrifice for man's sin.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I respect you, Cheri but I beleive Jesus and God are different people.

 

[Cheri]

I respect you, Cheri but I beleive Jesus and God are different people.

That's fine, Where do you think Jesus came from? if you think he is human like the rest of us? How come Jesus is without sins and we are with sins? Even if we both are humans? I just wanna see your point of view, If you don't mind sharing it?

 

[EyesBlueDeaf]

AJ and GodDoesNotHate know Alex's rule for not allow to have one member to use 2 screennames, don't they?

I'm in a favor of AJ. This is why I mentioned about AD not allowing a person to have 2 screennames.

 

[Reba]

...Saying that the children and the teachers only know what others tell them assumes that they do not think critically, compare what different people say and stop learning once they leave the classroom or gradulate.

Leibling said that her children got the information from their teachers.

Government school teachers DO teach the curriculum that is approved (ordered) by the school system. As individuals, teachers can learn and think outside the curriculum but in the school setting, they are required to teach the official viewpoint.

 

[Reba]

whoa u obvisouly dont read thebible dude. there are psychic people in the bible quiet a few actually. remember the dude who interp the kings dreams?

God gave the interpretations to the dreams. The people themselves (such as Joseph) were not psychics.

Genesis 40:8
"And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you."

Genesis 41:
"15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it. 16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace."

 

[Reba]

im not a sinner. and jesus and god are two different..."people"

Every person, every one, is a sinner. I'm a sinner, and you are a sinner. We are all born with the sin nature. We are all equally sinners, no better, no worse. Only Jesus was born without sin because He is God.

 

[AJ]

Every person, every one, is a sinner. I'm a sinner, and you are a sinner. We are all born with the sin nature. We are all equally sinners, no better, no worse. Only Jesus was born without sin because He is God.

im not a sinner. im sorry.

if we are all sinners how come we all dont go to hell?

 

[RedFox]

Every person, every one, is a sinner. I'm a sinner, and you are a sinner. We are all born with the sin nature. We are all equally sinners, no better, no worse. Only Jesus was born without sin because He is God.

The idea that everybody is a sinner and hellbound puts people on a guilt trip and keeps them within the Christian belief system by scaring them away from examining other positions. It could also be used to scare some people into the belief system. Using the Adam and Eve story to say that everybody is born as sinners may make believers consider themselves trapped with no way out, except with their beliefs. Saying that everybody except for Jesus was born with sin also helps to promote belief in Jesus being the savior. Saying that everybody other than Jesus are sinners, regardless of who they are, also may make Christians feel drawn into Christian groups, due to the claimed common nature that the members have, so the beliefs could be promoted.

Such memes that keep their hosts within the group of hosts helps to reinforce the Christian meme complex's ranks of hosts and to spread to new hosts.

 

[Rose Immortal]

RedFox, if one has accepted that God exists (and I realize that you may or may not have come to that conclusion and that's outside the scope of my answer right now), and that He has ordained certain moral laws, then I don't think there's a single one of us besides Jesus who can say that he or she has not even once broken one of those laws. To break one of those laws is more than just the action itself; it's essentially high treason against God, which is punishable by death.

I'm not trying to argue with you or put you down--just put the logic out there for you to demonstrate how it flows.

 

[AJ]

RedFox, if one has accepted that God exists (and I realize that you may or may not have come to that conclusion and that's outside the scope of my answer right now), and that He has ordained certain moral laws, then I don't think there's a single one of us besides Jesus who can say that he or she has not even once broken one of those laws. To break one of those laws is more than just the action itself; it's essentially high treason against God, which is punishable by death.

I'm not trying to argue with you or put you down--just put the logic out there for you to demonstrate how it flows.

logically....you would not throw ur child into a fire place and let them burn if they've done something wrong and didn't say sorry.

so why would god?

 

[RedFox]

RedFox, if one has accepted that God exists (and I realize that you may or may not have come to that conclusion and that's outside the scope of my answer right now), and that He has ordained certain moral laws, then I don't think there's a single one of us besides Jesus who can say that he or she has not even once broken one of those laws. To break one of those laws is more than just the action itself; it's essentially high treason against God, which is punishable by death.

I'm not trying to argue with you or put you down--just put the logic out there for you to demonstrate how it flows.

Yeah, I know Christians say this. The moral code laid out by Christianity makes sinning unavoidable. The consequences of sinning are also laid out to be unavoidable unless one accepts Christianity's offer of a way out, accepting that it's Jesus who'd save you from what would otherwise be unavoidable according to Christianity. Setting up a seemingly unavoidable trap into accepting Jesus is the Christian meme complex's way of drawing people into becoming its hosts.

The memes about the consequences of nonacceptence of Jesus being threatening ones about eternal torture in a hell also helps to make hosts continue to accept Jesus. It also has the bonus of being able to scare people into becoming hosts.

The Christian meme complex could be spread to new hosts if Christians made others feel guilty about violating the moral code laid out by the meme complex. This could be done with people who have done something that they feel guilty about. This is easy because the activities laid out as sins cover things that lots of people had done before. It makes the new hosts dig up memories of things they've done, including silly little things from long ago that are branded with importance by the Christian meme complex. The silly little things get magnified into things that would lead to eternal torture. Uncertainty about what would happen after death also helps fan the fear of going to hell that is implanted by Christianty. Then the meme complex steps in with an offer of a way out, a meme saying that accepting Jesus would save you from hell so one won't need to fear hell. This also plays on some people's desire for a leader, which would be Jesus and the Christian god. It also plays on the desire for a community, which Christianity provides.

 

[Reba]

...if we are all sinners how come we all dont go to hell?

Because Jesus took all the punishment for all our sins upon Himself. Jesus sacrificed His own blood to pay our sin debt.

 

[Reba]

The idea that everybody is a sinner and hellbound puts people on a guilt trip and keeps them within the Christian belief system by scaring them away from examining other positions.

If that's true, it's not a very successful agenda since many more people are "examining other positions" than have accepted Jesus as Savior.

... Saying that everybody except for Jesus was born with sin also helps to promote belief in Jesus being the savior.

It is the truth, so why not say it? We are all sinners. Jesus is the only sinless one. He is the only Who can save. He is the Savior.

Saying that everybody other than Jesus are sinners, regardless of who they are...

True; sin touches everyone, regardless of age, race, nationality, sex, religion, political party, financial or social status, etc. True equality.

There is also one Savior for everyone, regardless of age, race, nationality, sex, religion, political party, financial or social status, etc.

Each person, regardless of his or her place in life, can be saved the same way, by Jesus Christ.

...Christians feel drawn into Christian groups, due to the claimed common nature that the members have, so the beliefs could be promoted.

Most people do like to associate with other people who have common beliefs and interests. That is natural.